DUST Search - Still no word of Jets, and laser still most outclassed weapon right?

m twiggz wrote:

Kovinis Sparagas wrote:

m twiggz wrote:

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused.

Counter-Strike. Most balanced FPS game I have ever played. Every weapon had a certain niche that could be relentlessly powerful if used correctly. Granted there wasn't a whole lot of choice on weaponry in Counter-Strike, which is probably why it was easy to balance. I think a lot of people QQ in many FPS games because they pick a weapon they like and use it in the wrong way. Just like the OP about laser rifles. He's probably one of those guys that brings it into CQC and expects it to do mass mounts of damage.

I think most weapons in Dust are pretty well balanced at this point if used in their proper niche. Too many players are used to CoD/BF and other various twitch shooters where weapons don't have optimal ranges. I see far too many people shooting enemies outside of their weapons optimal range in Dust. For example, if you're using a Combat Rifle don't engage a Rail Rifle user at 60 meters. More common sense, less QQ.

Tactic overlay for your weapon optimal fallof range would be awesome and very informative.

If you look in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, next to your EHP HUD, there is Weapon Efficiency stats, as well as how far away the target is, that pop up when you aim at someone. Those can be used to figure out whether or not an enemy is within your optimal. I use them all the time. If its below 60% efficient I won't engage a target.

I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits

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Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 819	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:17:00 - [31] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: From some casual chats with CPM Hans, I really doubt Fighters are anywhere on the immediate to-do list. They're not on the immediate to-do list (bigger fish to fry!), but that doesn't mean we wouldn't like to implement them in some capacity in the future. I'd like to take a holiday to the Philippines and take part in a car road tour through Europe, but like CCP and Jets, I'll probably keep putting it off and never get round to doing it. There's no point in adding jets until the maps are much larger, otherwise you'll simply be turning in a circle the entire time. Maps can't get significantly bigger until we can get lots of players each match. We can't get huge player counts until DUST is on the PS4 (or equivalent) due to performance. There is so much more important sh*t to do right now that I really don't expect to see these for at least another year or two. Priorities. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:19:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: From some casual chats with CPM Hans, I really doubt Fighters are anywhere on the immediate to-do list. They're not on the immediate to-do list (bigger fish to fry!), but that doesn't mean we wouldn't like to implement them in some capacity in the future. Actually if you look back at older video's showing footage I believe from Alpha or closed Beta you'll find they already are in game just not useable by us. They have had jets over a year now yet we can't use them kinda like the many things that we will likely never see again IE proto tanks, Logi LAV's, Jets and well pretty much anything else you can think of that they have taken back to and I quote "Be Back Soon TM" PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
xXcythe Dust OMEGA corp 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Jets are finished, but the game 1) Isn't powerful enough AND 2) Maps aren't big enough. . Which can honestly easily be fixed by porting to the PS4......
Aqua-Regia 637	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:29:00 - [34] - Quote Ace Combat Is Great Don't know why some people hate it? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *S00NGäó*GòPGò¼GòºGò¬GòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGò¬GòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúAmarrGòáGòòGòÆGòúRNDGòáGòò
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4510	Posted - 2014.01.22 04:42:00 - [35] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Ace Combat Is Great Don't know why some people hate it? I love it, which is part of why Assault Horizon pissed me off. I still play 04 and 5 on occasion. I'm really hoping they work out a better free-to-play model for Infinity and release it sometime this year. That'll give me something to tide myself over until I can really fly in Dust. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1127	Posted - 2014.01.22 05:17:00 - [36] - Quote I think fighters will greatly help towards achieving balance. Tone down railguns to make them balanced. This means that they won't be as effective against ADS as they are currently. Fighters will become main counter to ADS. Fighters will be an additional counter to redline rail tanks, being able to penetrate deeper into the redline and provide quick bursts of damage. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:32:00 - [37] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I think fighters will greatly help towards achieving balance. Tone down railguns to make them balanced. This means that they won't be as effective against ADS as they are currently. Fighters will become main counter to ADS. Fighters will be an additional counter to redline rail tanks, being able to penetrate deeper into the redline and provide quick bursts of damage. I had not thought of this that's those are good points. PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
JF duBre Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:47:00 - [38] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. But ... perfect balance would mean, that all PS3 gamers have to use the same DS3 control and CCP has to stop support M/K That would be nice ... and the developers would have more time for other things ... more important things!
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 121	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:27:00 - [39] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: From some casual chats with CPM Hans, I really doubt Fighters are anywhere on the immediate to-do list. They're not on the immediate to-do list (bigger fish to fry!), but that doesn't mean we wouldn't like to implement them in some capacity in the future. Oh, of course! I just realize there's far more pressing issues right now, as you guys are clearly already aware of. I can wait. I've been waiting for a real Ace Combat game ever since that trasheap Assault Horizon, and that's probably going to be longer in coming than waiting for Fighters in Dust, given how the Beta for Ace Combat Infinity went. I'm old school Ace Combat fan too. If you want to fly in EVE universe, you should try EVE: Vakyrie witch will come at the end of this year. I'm waiting for it too! I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 121	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:32:00 - [40] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: It would be cool if Valkyrie could connect to both Dust and EVE worlds. You could fight in space, but then when you went to assist ground wars, your HUD or on board radar could detect wars happening on ground. Then you would "fly into the pipeline" where this would essentially be a loading screen as your jet enters into the planet's atmosphere. I imagine a short little navigation thing where a flightpath must be maintain, speeds and decreasing altitude. Once there, the game would take control. You would see roaring clouds zooming past you. This would be the loading screen as the jet goes into auto pilot to control the entry into the atmosphere. Maybe readings could show you how many mercs and what type of battle is happening. Then when loaded, you would break the clouds and see the map below you. If you want to return to the war in space, you just enter back into the pipeline vortex to make it up there They said someday Valkyrie will be also connected to Dust and EVE, but not in the beginning I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits

KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1666	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:35:00 - [41] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. Did you ever play Warhawk? Its the best balanced game I've ever played, even the tanks vs the jeeps were perfectly balanced. Kind of way more easy than Dust balancing though, we're talking about 8 handguns and 4 vehicles, turrets and 8 Hawk weapon. One might claim that the Hawks were too good, or even OP, but then again, the name of the game..... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 254	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:44:00 - [42] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: all but small missile turrets worthless and not a word on removing the redline? Dust is coming along great I'm not quite sure what you're doing with your Laser Rifle but I have only level one operation and absolutely MELT faces within its optimal still. You must be doing something wrong. It works exactly the same as laser weaponry works in Eve. Optimal is super far, does more damage over time, complete garbage in CQC. Works as intended if you ask me. Its a LONG range weapon that works very well at LONG ranges. I'm very interested in what your idea would be to put in place of the red line if it were to be removed. The red line is there for a reason, to give a safe place to spawn if your team is being absolutely wrecked. You are just as capable of shooting out of your red line at enemies as they are at shooting you. I don't see the big problem here. Red line snipers? Cool, go ahead and get in a good spot and pop them in the face. Red line rail tanks? Cool, use a militia tank and get free ISKies and WP for blowing them up. Sure its a very ANNOYING issue but definitely not something that impacts the game so greatly that everything needs to be dropped and a red line rework needs to be put into place. Rendering, lag, game freezes/crashes/fatal errors, finished content, etc. all seem like more prominent problems than a few annoying KDR padders sitting in their red line.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 255	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:53:00 - [43] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. Counter-Strike. Most balanced FPS game I have ever played. Every weapon had a certain niche that could be relentlessly powerful if used correctly. Granted there wasn't a whole lot of choice on weaponry in Counter-Strike, which is probably why it was easy to balance. I think a lot of people QQ in many FPS games because they pick a weapon they like and use it in the wrong way. Just like the OP about laser rifles. He's probably one of those guys that brings it into CQC and expects it to do mass mounts of damage. I think most weapons in Dust are pretty well balanced at this point if used in their proper niche. Too many players are used to CoD/BF and other various twitch shooters where weapons don't have optimal ranges. I see far too many people shooting enemies outside of their weapons optimal range in Dust. For example, if you're using a Combat Rifle don't engage a Rail Rifle user at 60 meters. More common sense, less QQ.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 122	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:57:00 - [44] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. Counter-Strike. Most balanced FPS game I have ever played. Every weapon had a certain niche that could be relentlessly powerful if used correctly. Granted there wasn't a whole lot of choice on weaponry in Counter-Strike, which is probably why it was easy to balance. I think a lot of people QQ in many FPS games because they pick a weapon they like and use it in the wrong way. Just like the OP about laser rifles. He's probably one of those guys that brings it into CQC and expects it to do mass mounts of damage. I think most weapons in Dust are pretty well balanced at this point if used in their proper niche. Too many players are used to CoD/BF and other various twitch shooters where weapons don't have optimal ranges. I see far too many people shooting enemies outside of their weapons optimal range in Dust. For example, if you're using a Combat Rifle don't engage a Rail Rifle user at 60 meters. More common sense, less QQ. Tactic overlay for your weapon optimal fallof range would be awesome and very informative. I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 257	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:00:00 - [45] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: m twiggz wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. Counter-Strike. Most balanced FPS game I have ever played. Every weapon had a certain niche that could be relentlessly powerful if used correctly. Granted there wasn't a whole lot of choice on weaponry in Counter-Strike, which is probably why it was easy to balance. I think a lot of people QQ in many FPS games because they pick a weapon they like and use it in the wrong way. Just like the OP about laser rifles. He's probably one of those guys that brings it into CQC and expects it to do mass mounts of damage. I think most weapons in Dust are pretty well balanced at this point if used in their proper niche. Too many players are used to CoD/BF and other various twitch shooters where weapons don't have optimal ranges. I see far too many people shooting enemies outside of their weapons optimal range in Dust. For example, if you're using a Combat Rifle don't engage a Rail Rifle user at 60 meters. More common sense, less QQ. Tactic overlay for your weapon optimal fallof range would be awesome and very informative. If you look in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, next to your EHP HUD, there is Weapon Efficiency stats, as well as how far away the target is, that pop up when you aim at someone. Those can be used to figure out whether or not an enemy is within your optimal. I use them all the time. If its below 60% efficient I won't engage a target.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 124	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:03:00 - [46] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Kovinis Sparagas wrote: m twiggz wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: There is no such thing as perfect balance, in all FPS game there is a weapon that is complete sh*t and unused. Counter-Strike. Most balanced FPS game I have ever played. Every weapon had a certain niche that could be relentlessly powerful if used correctly. Granted there wasn't a whole lot of choice on weaponry in Counter-Strike, which is probably why it was easy to balance. I think a lot of people QQ in many FPS games because they pick a weapon they like and use it in the wrong way. Just like the OP about laser rifles. He's probably one of those guys that brings it into CQC and expects it to do mass mounts of damage. I think most weapons in Dust are pretty well balanced at this point if used in their proper niche. Too many players are used to CoD/BF and other various twitch shooters where weapons don't have optimal ranges. I see far too many people shooting enemies outside of their weapons optimal range in Dust. For example, if you're using a Combat Rifle don't engage a Rail Rifle user at 60 meters. More common sense, less QQ. Tactic overlay for your weapon optimal fallof range would be awesome and very informative. If you look in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, next to your EHP HUD, there is Weapon Efficiency stats, as well as how far away the target is, that pop up when you aim at someone. Those can be used to figure out whether or not an enemy is within your optimal. I use them all the time. If its below 60% efficient I won't engage a target. WOW, I never knew that! thanks! +1 for you I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 257	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:06:00 - [47] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: WOW, I never knew that! thanks! +1 for you You're welcome, glad I could help. Wish these forums were used more for helping people than for trolling people.
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 124	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:09:00 - [48] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Kovinis Sparagas wrote: WOW, I never knew that! thanks! +1 for you You're welcome, glad I could help. Wish these forums were used more for helping people than for trolling people. True... Well maybe then this game will be more advanced I support BPO removal; RDV to take your vehicles back; and racial weapons on starter fits
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4516	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:41:00 - [49] - Quote Kovinis Sparagas wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: From some casual chats with CPM Hans, I really doubt Fighters are anywhere on the immediate to-do list. They're not on the immediate to-do list (bigger fish to fry!), but that doesn't mean we wouldn't like to implement them in some capacity in the future. Oh, of course! I just realize there's far more pressing issues right now, as you guys are clearly already aware of. I can wait. I've been waiting for a real Ace Combat game ever since that trasheap Assault Horizon, and that's probably going to be longer in coming than waiting for Fighters in Dust, given how the Beta for Ace Combat Infinity went. I'm old school Ace Combat fan too. If you want to fly in EVE universe, you should try EVE: Vakyrie witch will come at the end of this year. I'm waiting for it too! Oh I'm well aware of that game, and I'm going to play it, but I just like air beneath my wings, you know? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector


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