A lot of people aren't all that effective with ScR, easy to tell who is and isn't. There's some out there that are extremely good, that's a well known fact. Only reason a lot of these RR people gain any advantage is because of the enormous range they have along with DPS and really no negatives. I guarantee a lot of them can't hack it at mid range combat or under, so they have to have a crutch. Also using fatsuits allows people to compensate for CQC, which I find annoying, but that's just me. Anyway, my main point is I already had my AR nerfed with a huge range reduction and DPS. I finally get used to another weapon (i.e. the CR) and people want that nerfed, but you apparently you think RR is fine because of your comment. I've used all rifles for some time and each have their uses for certain situations, but RR is just ridiculous as it can basically be used for almost everything (just like the old AR) and renders the majority of remaining weapons obsolete.

I usually use a RR because I like range combat, however I like to mix it up every now and then.

About two days ago I went 23/4, in a skirmish, in a Dren scout with a std breach AR and a TT-3 ASP. More than half of my kills were with the breach.

I prefer ranged combat, doesn't mean I'm not any good in CQC.

You ever seen that final duel in the movie Quigley Down Under?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwDmV1KWrKQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Yup that pretty much sums it up.

ALL the rifles do need a fix imo.

SCR = more range, 25 clip, make heat up per shot
ASCR - make heat up per shot
RR = longer charge time (like SCR charge time), lots less kick
CR = more kick, slight firecap
AR = as is
BuAR = more dmg
BAR = more range
TAR = faster firecap

not sure about the ACR and ARR tho

No, I support my kirjuun on this matter. The problem is dealing with the mercenary, not the weapon. So its not supposed to be good in CQC and it isn't. Yet, the mercenary has learned his rifle. He has learned its strengths and weaknesses. So with that said, the mercenary maximized the weapons potential by using it in the smartest way possible.

That doesn't qualify it as OP. If anything the user is OP and you can't nerf the user's intelligence.

That's the problem here. It's bad in CQC. So mercs expect to win CQC battles when they see a RR user. That expectancy causes many mercs to die because they expect to win a CQC battle. So in effect, the lethality has lessened because they think they should win it. Meanwhile, the RR user has been training with that weapon and knows how to maximize its potential, leaving a over zealous dead merc on the ground to evaporate.

So no, its not OP. In fact, it's a balanced weapon. I can't tell you how many guys I have seen in a CQC battle thinking that they should win because they have a combat rifle/AR and I have a RR. If its one of my good days, my strafing is excellent and my aim is on target. They often drop faster and you can see the shock on their faces.

The CR is respected so the RR needs to be respected as well. The victims crying about RR are UP. Adjust. And stop thinking because its bad in CQC that means you get a kill a merc free card when a CQC situation pops up

Changing the charge up time on the RR would quickly make it useless...not less effective...useless at mid to close range. The charge time is a very fine balance. I'm not in favor of tweaking really any of the rifles much at this point, however, I do think that if the RR needs to be tweaked then hipfire recoil and accuracy could be increased slightly.

The interesting thing I see is that the Amarr and Caldari weapon profiles really need to be switched.
1. The Tactical suite of weapons in theory are the long range highly accurate family or style of weapons...sounds Caldari to me.

2. The Breach suite of weapons should be mid to long range damage delivery...sounds a bit more Amarr to me.

In an odd, way I think if the ASCR was the base mode of the SCR and you increased the heat build up and made the base model of the RR a semi-auto things would balance out pretty nicely.

Welcome back to hell.

Absolutely spot on. Operator skill is the overiding factor...a top player can take any of the 4 base rifles and get 20+ kills.

Also...you have to factor in SP invested into the weapon and any damage mods on the dropsuit.

Honestly...I don't get killed any faster by RRs or CRs than I did by SCR or PRs before the new weapons dropped. If anything the RR has helped me survive longer because I work to at it's optimal range where my skill set is better since I have an average(at best) gun game in CQC.

No, I support my kirjuun on this matter. The problem is dealing with the mercenary, not the weapon. So its not supposed to be good in CQC and it isn't. Yet, the mercenary has learned his rifle. He has learned its strengths and weaknesses. So with that said, the mercenary maximized the weapons potential by using it in the smartest way possible.

That doesn't qualify it as OP. If anything the user is OP and you can't nerf the user's intelligence.

That's the problem here. It's bad in CQC. So mercs expect to win CQC battles when they see a RR user. That expectancy causes many mercs to die because they expect to win a CQC battle. So in effect, the lethality has lessened because they think they should win it. Meanwhile, the RR user has been training with that weapon and knows how to maximize its potential, leaving a over zealous dead merc on the ground to evaporate.

So no, its not OP. In fact, it's a balanced weapon. I can't tell you how many guys I have seen in a CQC battle thinking that they should win because they have a combat rifle/AR and I have a RR. If its one of my good days, my strafing is excellent and my aim is on target. They often drop faster and you can see the shock on their faces.

The CR is respected so the RR needs to be respected as well. The victims crying about RR are UP. Adjust. And stop thinking because its bad in CQC that means you get a kill a merc free card when a CQC situation pops up

Well, if someone can tell me then how a RR can kill me faster than the 1.5 to 2 seconds it takes me to empty my entire CR clip into someone with basically 100% accuracy (special technique I know and no it's not a modded controller) I'm all ears. However, I digress. Under your same principle of what you wrote above, then I am going to openly say that according to that, my CR and ScR is balanced and not be touched just because I can basically make it fire full auto while others can't; that's just the special weapon skills I've learned.

Well, the PR is outclassed by the 3 other rifles now. In addition the RR is much more difficult to use at close range due to the low fire rate and charge time, but very powerful at long range. Obviously some adjustments need to be made, but I think you get the general idea.

The biggest differences between RR and ScR? The semi-auto nature of the ScR, coupled with being exceedingly punishing on missed shots, means its long range performance suffers. Particularly considering that the RR has similar actual DPS (come on, no-one actually pulls at 700rpm, and if you think they do I've got a bridge to sell you).

Anyone can pick up the RR and get good scores with it. Taking down comparable groups with the ScR takes practice at managing overheat.

And considering that RR has the same DPS as AR, or near enough, at double the range, with zero drawbacks, just stinks of OP.

You can't even duck and weave to force an overheat.

Booted up Dust for the first time in 3 months and the first thing I die to is a rail rifle. Seriously, 50+ damage with an optimal of 100m is OP IMO. I always thought people were QQing, but then my PRO Gal Logi gets slain in under a second by an ADV RR I think that there's a balance issue. Then again I might just be overreacting and have lost some skill.

Booted up Dust for the first time in 3 months and the first thing I die to is a rail rifle. Seriously, 50+ damage with an optimal of 100m is OP IMO. I always thought people were QQing, but then my PRO Gal Logi gets slain in under a second by an ADV RR I think that there's a balance issue. Then again I might just be overreacting and have lost some skill.

Well, if someone can tell me then how a RR can kill me faster than the 1.5 to 2 seconds it takes me to empty my entire CR clip into someone with basically 100% accuracy (special technique I know and no it's not a modded controller) I'm all ears. However, I digress. Under your same principle of what you wrote above, then I am going to openly say that according to that, my CR and ScR is balanced and not be touched just because I can basically make it fire full auto while others can't; that's just the special weapon skills I've learned.