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Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:30:00 - [1] - Quote I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ?
Rogue Saint Science For Death 690	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:33:00 - [2] - Quote I think there will be a rise of commando's in 1.8, I'm considering one, but as for heavies with lights.... Said it before, say it again... They are just tryhards that need **** tonnes of HP to be competitive! GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Causes headaches, it's official +1 for Infantry Skills Refund in 1.8 or I win DUST514
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 438	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:33:00 - [3] - Quote my first guess would be tha the sentinel has more hp then the commando. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 500	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote the problem is that the commando is pretty garbage right now as an example the standard amarr commando has an equipment slot and 2 light weapon slots and thats it no modules yet cost 8k and cant even fit 2 adv weapons with out sacrificing its equipment slot so only the most masochistic heavies play the lolmando Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:37:00 - [5] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ? Can you use a forge gun on a commando? I am the real Darken
Knox Firmus SCIENCE FOR LIFE 14	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote I proudly play a basic lolmando with lazer rifle, scrambler rifle, and drop uplink. GLORY TO AMARR!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10227	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote Using a medium frame with light weapons is actually easier, the only people who complain about heavies with light weapons are those who can't aim very well. Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:41:00 - [8] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: I think there will be a rise of commando's in 1.8, I'm considering one, but as for heavies with lights.... Said it before, say it again... They are just tryhards that need **** tonnes of HP to be competitive! like brick tanked logis without built in reps, that still move slow and have a huge hit box and no equipment. I am the real Darken
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 500	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:42:00 - [9] - Quote Knox Firmus wrote: I proudly play a basic lolmando with lazer rifle, scrambler rifle, and drop uplink. GLORY TO AMARR! lemme guess all bpo except the suit right? Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2852	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:42:00 - [10] - Quote My alt runs Amarr Heavy + Laser Rifle Also watch the opening movie, you'll see the heavies with laser rifles and swarms. not scrubby, intended You're honestly probably slightly disagreeing to the range of Light weapons, considering HMG is short range. The forge is long range but not a viable on-the-ground anti infantry weapon. Check out latest BSOTT Guide

Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: My alt runs Amarr Heavy + Laser Rifle Also watch the opening movie, you'll see the heavies with laser rifles and swarms. not scrubby, intended You're honestly probably slightly disagreeing to the range of Light weapons, considering HMG is short range. The forge is long range but not a viable on-the-ground anti infantry weapon. Well mainly I was getting at why the commando isn't used as much as heavy suit + light weapon combo .. With the 5x SP event and an omega booster ready to go tomorrow I was considering using the SP earnt to go to ADV commando but it dawned on me that I rarely see commando's but I see alot of heavys with light weapons which baffled me a bit as if I wanted to use light weapons on a heavy suit I'd go for the suit that is primarily designed for that role If there are problems with the commando suit then I wont bother and instead I'll make an alt and skill into it to try it out for myself
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 361	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:11:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Using a medium frame with light weapons is actually easier, the only people who complain about heavies with light weapons are those who can't aim very well. Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Too right Fiend. People like Rogue and others that complain about heavies that use light are just not happy with a fat suit that has a massive hitbox and terrible strafe speed showing them up. If ye can't handle a heavy with a light weapon then I'd love to see what ye are like with a fast moving med/light suit OP, why should players that have skilled into basic heavy and sentinel suit have to turn around and skill into another suit when they have a suit they are already used to using to run longer range weapons on for different battle conditions. It's not the optimum suit for the job but it is using what tools are already skilled into. The commando at the moment is a terrible suit. With the right mind set it can be a blast to use, but it really is just a **** and giggles suit that is easy to take out. I'm a HMG heavy for over a year and have had level 5 in the AR for most of that time, but I run an AR Mini assault rather than putting the AR on my fat suit for when I want speed and range. Honestly, anyone giving out about heavies with light weapons should try running them for a bit. Just get the basic heavy frame, run it for a week, and come back here on the forums and say with a straight face that it's easy mode.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 361	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:14:00 - [13] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: My alt runs Amarr Heavy + Laser Rifle Also watch the opening movie, you'll see the heavies with laser rifles and swarms. not scrubby, intended You're honestly probably slightly disagreeing to the range of Light weapons, considering HMG is short range. The forge is long range but not a viable on-the-ground anti infantry weapon. Well mainly I was getting at why the commando isn't used as much as heavy suit + light weapon combo .. With the 5x SP event and an omega booster ready to go tomorrow I was considering using the SP earnt to go to ADV commando but it dawned on me that I rarely see commando's but I see alot of heavys with light weapons which baffled me a bit as if I wanted to use light weapons on a heavy suit I'd go for the suit that is primarily designed for that role If there are problems with the commando suit then I wont bother and instead I'll make an alt and skill into it to try it out for myself Well, your big problem is that you just have the basic commando. That suit is just an SP and ISK sink! You need slots for any kind of practical use. As I said before it can be a fun suit but don't expect much from it.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5781	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:16:00 - [14] - Quote The commando is terrible is close quarter situations, that is why. Though it thrives much better in mid-long range situations than a sentinel. Really all heavies should skill into both and decide which one based on the occasion. Also I'd say most people who use light weapons on heavies aren't doing it out of scrubbery but rather the lack of heavy weapon diversity. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2857	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:17:00 - [15] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: My alt runs Amarr Heavy + Laser Rifle Also watch the opening movie, you'll see the heavies with laser rifles and swarms. not scrubby, intended You're honestly probably slightly disagreeing to the range of Light weapons, considering HMG is short range. The forge is long range but not a viable on-the-ground anti infantry weapon. Well mainly I was getting at why the commando isn't used as much as heavy suit + light weapon combo .. With the 5x SP event and an omega booster ready to go tomorrow I was considering using the SP earnt to go to ADV commando but it dawned on me that I rarely see commando's but I see alot of heavys with light weapons which baffled me a bit as if I wanted to use light weapons on a heavy suit I'd go for the suit that is primarily designed for that role If there are problems with the commando suit then I wont bother and instead I'll make an alt and skill into it to try it out for myself Well looking at CCP's data dump that problem will not exist in 1.8 Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5782	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:19:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Don't talk about my baby like that!!! But yes, it is garbage in its current state ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 361	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:23:00 - [17] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Don't talk about my baby like that!!! But yes, it is garbage in its current state Haha, tis the truth But so much fun can be had. I've been running them with AR and laser for a while, but switched back to my original fit of AR and shotgun this week. I'd forgotten how much fun it is to have a shotgun as a sidearm
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 70	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:23:00 - [18] - Quote Tldr I have a fit for a heavy with proto AR. I don't use it very often. Usually I take it because it costs less than running an equivalent Gallente proto logi. I am going to die anyway, and as a pilot I need to be isk conscious. I also call it out if there is heavy resistance and I know that atleast two or three people will be shooting back at me with a better ranged weapon. It's my own force multiplier. My logi suit wastes money if I am going to only use my gun against true slayers, and as I am not skilled far into any medium suit, it makes sense to use a heavy. Funny though, everyone writes theads about heavies and rifles, but what about heavy snipers?! That's just the kid from down the block with the worried mom who didn't want the other boys and girls playing to rough so she covered him in adamantium pillows. FAME
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:25:00 - [19] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Using a medium frame with light weapons is actually easier, the only people who complain about heavies with light weapons are those who can't aim very well. Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Too right Fiend. People like Rogue and others that complain about heavies that use light are just not happy with a fat suit that has a massive hitbox and terrible strafe speed showing them up. If ye can't handle a heavy with a light weapon then I'd love to see what ye are like with a fast moving med/light suit OP, why should players that have skilled into basic heavy and sentinel suit have to turn around and skill into another suit when they have a suit they are already used to using to run longer range weapons on for different battle conditions. It's not the optimum suit for the job but it is using what tools are already skilled into. The commando at the moment is a terrible suit. With the right mind set it can be a blast to use, but it really is just a **** and giggles suit that is easy to take out. I'm a HMG heavy for over a year and have had level 5 in the AR for most of that time, but I run an AR Mini assault rather than putting the AR on my fat suit for when I want speed and range. Honestly, anyone giving out about heavies with light weapons should try running them for a bit. Just get the basic heavy frame, run it for a week, and come back here on the forums and say with a straight face that it's easy mode. But then why all the complaints about Logistics suits ditching equipment and running as slayer assault suits then ? This kind of thing is what confuses me about the DUST community .. loads of people complain about logistics suits being slayers and then claim that heavy suits using light weapons is fine .. Anyway I was only asking why people don't use commando suits and instead use heavy suits and light weapons .. 1.8 should fix the problems with the commando suit so hopefully more people will use it
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:29:00 - [20] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Tldr I have a fit for a heavy with proto AR. I don't use it very often. Usually I take it because it costs less than running an equivalent Gallente proto logi. I am going to die anyway, and as a pilot I need to be isk conscious. I also call it out if there is heavy resistance and I know that atleast two or three people will be shooting back at me with a better ranged weapon. It's my own force multiplier. My logi suit wastes money if I am going to only use my gun against true slayers, and as I am not skilled far into any medium suit, it makes sense to use a heavy. Funny though, everyone writes theads about heavies and rifles, but what about heavy snipers?! That's just the kid from down the block with the worried mom who didn't want the other boys and girls playing to rough so she covered him in adamantium pillows. Heavy suits with sniper rifles cant fit enough damage mods and have no equipment slots nor the PG/CPU to be a real threat

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 169	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:30:00 - [21] - Quote I don't run a light weapon heavy, but consider this. I didn't want to skill into Amarr Heavy frames. There are no other racial heavy frames. So until there are, I'll use a Militia or Standard Heavy frame. For guys with proto Sentinels and light weapons, I have no idea. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 362	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:33:00 - [22] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Oxskull Duncarino wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Using a medium frame with light weapons is actually easier, the only people who complain about heavies with light weapons are those who can't aim very well. Commandos are currently garbage, and many heavies have not, and will not put SP into them until they're fixed. Too right Fiend. People like Rogue and others that complain about heavies that use light are just not happy with a fat suit that has a massive hitbox and terrible strafe speed showing them up. If ye can't handle a heavy with a light weapon then I'd love to see what ye are like with a fast moving med/light suit OP, why should players that have skilled into basic heavy and sentinel suit have to turn around and skill into another suit when they have a suit they are already used to using to run longer range weapons on for different battle conditions. It's not the optimum suit for the job but it is using what tools are already skilled into. The commando at the moment is a terrible suit. With the right mind set it can be a blast to use, but it really is just a **** and giggles suit that is easy to take out. I'm a HMG heavy for over a year and have had level 5 in the AR for most of that time, but I run an AR Mini assault rather than putting the AR on my fat suit for when I want speed and range. Honestly, anyone giving out about heavies with light weapons should try running them for a bit. Just get the basic heavy frame, run it for a week, and come back here on the forums and say with a straight face that it's easy mode. But then why all the complaints about Logistics suits ditching equipment and running as slayer assault suits then ? This kind of thing is what confuses me about the DUST community .. loads of people complain about logistics suits being slayers and then claim that heavy suits using light weapons is fine .. Anyway I was only asking why people don't use commando suits and instead use heavy suits and light weapons .. 1.8 should fix the problems with the commando suit so hopefully more people will use it A heavy switching their main weapon from a heavy to a light variant is not the same as a logi ditching equipment. The only thing being switched is the weapon on the heavy. It still has the same hitpoints, slow movement, and big hitbox as before.The logi is ditching gear and then increases either their tank or their gank. The logi complaining was valid. The suit was not balanced against other suits. The possibility that in 1.8 they will have a bonus to fitting equipment so that base CPU and PG can be kept lower will hopefully address this. All suits have flexibility in th
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 362	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:40:00 - [23] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I don't run a light weapon heavy, but consider this. I didn't want to skill into Amarr Heavy frames. There are no other racial heavy frames. So until there are, I'll use a Militia or Standard Heavy frame. For guys with proto Sentinels and light weapons, I have no idea. Roll on 1.8 and I'll be getting my Gal Sentinel and Commando. Whatever day it happens will be a great day What are you aiming for yourself?
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:46:00 - [24] - Quote That caldari sentinel is awfully tempting. 656 base shield HP, 4 sec shield regen, 1 sec depleted regen, 30 hp/sec. Fit a complex regulator in the lowslot, 1 complex energizer, 1 complex recharger, 2 complex extenders in the highs and you have a walking 800 shield HP tank that regens 60 hp/sec with a recharge delay of 3 secs and depleted delay of less than 1 second. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 362	Posted - 2014.01.21 22:56:00 - [25] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: That caldari sentinel is awfully tempting. 656 base shield HP, 4 sec shield regen, 1 sec depleted regen, 30 hp/sec. Fit a complex regulator in the lowslot, 1 complex energizer, 1 complex recharger, 2 complex extenders in the highs and you have a walking 800 shield HP tank that regens 60 hp/sec with a recharge delay of 3 secs and depleted delay of less than 1 second. Yeh, I'm going Gal but the Cal sentinel has me a bit worried. Fun times ahead
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 502	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:04:00 - [26] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: That caldari sentinel is awfully tempting. 656 base shield HP, 4 sec shield regen, 1 sec depleted regen, 30 hp/sec. Fit a complex regulator in the lowslot, 1 complex energizer, 1 complex recharger, 2 complex extenders in the highs and you have a walking 800 shield HP tank that regens 60 hp/sec with a recharge delay of 3 secs and depleted delay of less than 1 second. Yeh, I'm going Gal but the Cal sentinel has me a bit worried. Fun times ahead Cal heavy with FG is gonna make pilots cry tears of rage and I hope their cries fall on deaf ears after the 1.7 vehicle farce. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse to slack off on releasing a heavy laser though =.=
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3083	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:05:00 - [27] - Quote You better batten down the hatches....a commando $#!T storm is coming..... Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 753	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:28:00 - [28] - Quote I'm very interested in making a commando secondary for my heavy alt after 1.8 I wouldn't use a heavy with a light weapon normally - I know full well that the current heavy lack the ability to redeploy without vehicle aim (which in itself can be limiting) as well as its terrible recovery rate. A smart opponent will simply wear down the suit. Not to mention the lack of equipment really shortens engagement time till they have to rearm or limits its flexibility (thinking how advantageous a scanner can be at times) Only problem I can see in 1.8 for me is that I love the idea of a Mincommando but hate swarm launchers and find MD's impossible to use. So what options would I have? duel CR's?? interesting concept but I don't think it would be particularly brilliant "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5794	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:30:00 - [29] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'm very interested in making a commando secondary for my heavy alt after 1.8 I wouldn't use a heavy with a light weapon normally - I know full well that the current heavy lack the ability to redeploy without vehicle aim (which in itself can be limiting) as well as its terrible recovery rate. A smart opponent will simply wear down the suit. Not to mention the lack of equipment really shortens engagement time till they have to rearm or limits its flexibility (thinking how advantageous a scanner can be at times) Only problem I can see in 1.8 for me is that I love the idea of a Mincommando but hate swarm launchers and find MD's impossible to use. So what options would I have? duel CR's?? interesting concept but I don't think it would be particularly brilliant CR and ACR sounds good ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Knox Firmus SCIENCE FOR LIFE 20	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:30:00 - [30] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Knox Firmus wrote: I proudly play a basic lolmando with lazer rifle, scrambler rifle, and drop uplink. GLORY TO AMARR! lemme guess all bpo except the suit right? But of course!

Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 365	Posted - 2014.01.21 23:34:00 - [31] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'm very interested in making a commando secondary for my heavy alt after 1.8 I wouldn't use a heavy with a light weapon normally - I know full well that the current heavy lack the ability to redeploy without vehicle aim (which in itself can be limiting) as well as its terrible recovery rate. A smart opponent will simply wear down the suit. Not to mention the lack of equipment really shortens engagement time till they have to rearm or limits its flexibility (thinking how advantageous a scanner can be at times) Only problem I can see in 1.8 for me is that I love the idea of a Mincommando but hate swarm launchers and find MD's impossible to use. So what options would I have? duel CR's?? interesting concept but I don't think it would be particularly brilliant CR and ACR sounds good Yep, this will be beast mod with close and mid range sorted.
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro Omega Elite Mercs INC. 70	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:50:00 - [32] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Tldr I have a fit for a heavy with proto AR. I don't use it very often. Usually I take it because it costs less than running an equivalent Gallente proto logi. I am going to die anyway, and as a pilot I need to be isk conscious. I also call it out if there is heavy resistance and I know that atleast two or three people will be shooting back at me with a better ranged weapon. It's my own force multiplier. My logi suit wastes money if I am going to only use my gun against true slayers, and as I am not skilled far into any medium suit, it makes sense to use a heavy. Funny though, everyone writes theads about heavies and rifles, but what about heavy snipers?! That's just the kid from down the block with the worried mom who didn't want the other boys and girls playing to rough so she covered him in adamantium pillows. Heavy suits with sniper rifles cant fit enough damage mods and have no equipment slots nor the PG/CPU to be a real threat Eh maybe if he is not good. Head shots matter, target selection matters, location matters, and a simple kill may not mean much if the heavy sniper only had five kills the whole match, but when he killed a clone, somewhere the gun fight become 3 v 2 instead of an even fight. One can say that the sniper is not effective by looking at his end game stats, but you might miss the fact that his actions caused a force multiplier on the field in his teams favor. If you are unable to remove that sniper from his position, he will keep influencing that match. FAME
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2192	Posted - 2014.01.22 01:58:00 - [33] - Quote The player in question may have already been skilled into Heavies and HMGs before the dispersion fix. During that time, most Sentinels found better results when they adapted to rifles. Some have stuck with the style, while some of us still prefer the big guns. And then you have the wannabe slayer pussies that just tank, hide, and gank while their team loses every objective. They'll always find a way to suck, all you can do is not help them stroke. Natalie Portman.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 583	Posted - 2014.01.22 02:04:00 - [34] - Quote Perhaps if there was more than ONE anti-infantry heavy weapon in the game, Sentinels would stop using light weapons as much as they do. But no. We've been stuck with the same two weapons since heavies began their existence. Yes, the Forge Gun can be used as anti-infantry. I have an alt dedicated to blapping fools with it. But it is better classified as AV.
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2014.01.22 10:07:00 - [35] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Tldr I have a fit for a heavy with proto AR. I don't use it very often. Usually I take it because it costs less than running an equivalent Gallente proto logi. I am going to die anyway, and as a pilot I need to be isk conscious. I also call it out if there is heavy resistance and I know that atleast two or three people will be shooting back at me with a better ranged weapon. It's my own force multiplier. My logi suit wastes money if I am going to only use my gun against true slayers, and as I am not skilled far into any medium suit, it makes sense to use a heavy. Funny though, everyone writes theads about heavies and rifles, but what about heavy snipers?! That's just the kid from down the block with the worried mom who didn't want the other boys and girls playing to rough so she covered him in adamantium pillows. Heavy suits with sniper rifles cant fit enough damage mods and have no equipment slots nor the PG/CPU to be a real threat Eh maybe if he is not good. Head shots matter, target selection matters, location matters, and a simple kill may not mean much if the heavy sniper only had five kills the whole match, but when he killed a clone, somewhere the gun fight become 3 v 2 instead of an even fight. One can say that the sniper is not effective by looking at his end game stats, but you might miss the fact that his actions caused a force multiplier on the field in his teams favor. If you are unable to remove that sniper from his position, he will keep influencing that match. The best snipers move around and dont sit in 1 place for an entire match .. heavys are so slow moving they can't be used effectively as snipers .. they are only used by people who stay in 1 place and need the hp to not get killed by counter snipers I now snipers can be a great help in any match .. just not heavy snipers ..
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2926	Posted - 2014.01.22 11:01:00 - [36] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ? Umm . . . because the commando is crap, and because two lights aren't all that useful if you know how to make the most of one. No.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 3095	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:15:00 - [37] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ? Umm . . . because the commando is crap, and because two lights aren't all that useful if you know how to make the most of one. Or if you can make the most of 2, the commando is OP as heck...... Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando? Forum warrior 3
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 669	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:25:00 - [38] - Quote I say meh for now, when we get more heavy weapons the heavy suit should loose the ability to fit light weapons and have it be heavy and side arms only. Until then whatever
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3787	Posted - 2014.01.22 12:32:00 - [39] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CR and ACR sounds good I'd replace it with an ARR. A bit more range, and more stopping power. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 368	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:52:00 - [40] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Tldr I have a fit for a heavy with proto AR. I don't use it very often. Usually I take it because it costs less than running an equivalent Gallente proto logi. I am going to die anyway, and as a pilot I need to be isk conscious. I also call it out if there is heavy resistance and I know that atleast two or three people will be shooting back at me with a better ranged weapon. It's my own force multiplier. My logi suit wastes money if I am going to only use my gun against true slayers, and as I am not skilled far into any medium suit, it makes sense to use a heavy. Funny though, everyone writes theads about heavies and rifles, but what about heavy snipers?! That's just the kid from down the block with the worried mom who didn't want the other boys and girls playing to rough so she covered him in adamantium pillows. Heavy suits with sniper rifles cant fit enough damage mods and have no equipment slots nor the PG/CPU to be a real threat Eh maybe if he is not good. Head shots matter, target selection matters, location matters, and a simple kill may not mean much if the heavy sniper only had five kills the whole match, but when he killed a clone, somewhere the gun fight become 3 v 2 instead of an even fight. One can say that the sniper is not effective by looking at his end game stats, but you might miss the fact that his actions caused a force multiplier on the field in his teams favor. If you are unable to remove that sniper from his position, he will keep influencing that match. The best snipers move around and dont sit in 1 place for an entire match .. heavys are so slow moving they can't be used effectively as snipers .. they are only used by people who stay in 1 place and need the hp to not get killed by counter snipers I now snipers can be a great help in any match .. just not heavy snipers .. Heavy snipers are highly effective in the right circumstances! I should know seeing as it's one of the things I use since I've spent my SP in that suit. Two complex damage modules, two complex armour repairs, and a basic tactical sniper rifle combined with headshots has allowed me to easily take out most snipers when I counter snipe. If I don't know exactly where the sniper is I can scope in and search while taking fire from them, spot them and eliminate them. As an actual sniping platform it doesn't have the scan precession,mobility, and equipment of other suits. The fact it can only stack two damage modules is not an issue, as the damage increase after two modules is minor, and any sniper worth their salt will be very capable of headshots. But, for regular sniping it is not ideal and most people you see using it will have already set up camp in the redline with nanohives and drop uplinks using a logi suit, and then switch to their fatso sniper fit. They're a boring bunch of idiots that do it in my view, but Dust is about fitting flexibility so off with them. The redline issue needs to be fixed, but I rarely have an issue with the fools that use it. Most maps only give them a small target area to set up cover over, and they can still be taken out. Redline railgun HAVs though, that's a different story that will hopefully be sorted soon.

Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 368	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:56:00 - [41] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ? Umm . . . because the commando is crap, and because two lights aren't all that useful if you know how to make the most of one. Or if you can make the most of 2, the commando is OP as heck...... Na Fire, the commando is really UP. But, the skills of the person using it can be OP as heck
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 945	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:03:00 - [42] - Quote Heavies with Rail Rifles holding down a position in a cluster is annoying. A single heavy with a light weapon isn't as much. Sure it's a strategy when people do this in squads but damn does it seem cheap. If everyone decided that this was "FOTM" worthy, people would be switching over to these suits left and right. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 368	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:10:00 - [43] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I say meh for now, when we get more heavy weapons the heavy suit should loose the ability to fit light weapons and have it be heavy and side arms only. Until then whatever I've said my piece on this before, so I'm not repeating myself. Next people are going to be saying that each suit type can only use its racial weapons Dust is about flexibility, and what everyone should be trying to do is to get that balance. Lets try to get the heavy weapons available for use by everyone. The same as the incoming cloak, give the heavies a reduction to an inbuilt movement penalty and CPU/PG cost of the weapons, but allow everyone to use them. I'd love to see a scout with a HMG that has little HP due to fitting the HMG using up all their CPU and PG. Would ye all please stop trying to push suits into just one roll. If someone wants to try something different they should be able to, even if the viability of the fit is bad. And before anyone brings up the potential 1.8 logi changes as a reduction to flexibility, try having a good look at the situation. The suit at present is able to compete very well with either the light or heavy meaning that the balance is off. Full flexibility with little downsides should not be available to just one suit. If other suits flexibility can't be increased to bring balance then the logi flexibility has to be reduced. Tl;dr- HTFU and accept balance even if it means a reduction to your own suits abilities. And stop giving out about heavies with light weapons just because your gungame sucks This isn't just directed at you Pvt.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 257	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:14:00 - [44] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I think doing this is a bit scrubby .. it's mainly people trying to get the most eHP possible so they don't have to rely on skill to survive HOWEVER .. I'm not saying you can't do it or shouldn't do it .. but rather I'd like you to answer this single question Why haven't you skilled into the commando suit ??? This is mainly aimed at the guy who kept dying in his heavy suit and proto Rail Rifle .. he clearly had the SP to skill into at least ADV Commando suit but decided against it ... I'd like to garner thoughts from the community .. I see more Heavy suits using light weapons than I do commando suit users ... Why ? Is there a problem with the Commando suit that I'm missing ? Is the existence of the commando suit missed by a majority of the player base ? Will all the proposed suit bonuses and changes in 1.8 lead to more people using the commando suit and less people using light weapons on heavy suits ? I think a lot of the heavies using LW came from the complete under powered HMG of the past. Heavies have two weapon options, HMG (which was garbage before 1.7, besides in beta where it was OP as all hell and could snipe snipers) and the Forge Gun. Many heavies didn't use the HMG due to the lack of usefulness, so they went with the Forge Gun. After the Forge Gun nerf many heavies went into LW just to be viable on the battlefield. Now that the HMG is back in great standing I think a lot of the heavies wasted so much SP and ISK into LW that they are going to continue to use them. I would agree its annoying as hell, but I wouldn't call all of them scrubs for doing it. It wasn't their choice to get hit with a massive nerf bat by CCP.
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 368	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:14:00 - [45] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Heavies with Rail Rifles holding down a position in a cluster is annoying. A single heavy with a light weapon isn't as much. Sure it's a strategy when people do this in squads but damn does it seem cheap. If everyone decided that this was "FOTM" worthy, people would be switching over to these suits left and right. Yeh, if this was the FOTM there would be alot more using it. Most people give out about it in CQB in buildings, but I run the HMG and they aren't that prevalent and are very easy to handle. Well, heavies with shotguns give me the squirts even though they're not really an issue. There's just something about the sight of big hulking heavy hunched over a shotgun that gets me.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1987	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:25:00 - [46] - Quote Let's look at the two heavy weapons that exist currently; Forge gun - Long range AV weapon. HMG - only useful in CQC. kind of useless outside of 20m. So what can someone who dumped a whole lot of SP into a heavy suit do to fight infantry at anything other than close range? Use a light weapon. That's just about it. It's not that they're tryhards who need extra health to compete, or that they don't know how to fit a suit. It's more likely that they tried speccing heavy only to be punished by lack of content. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 71	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:19:00 - [47] - Quote I find using my HMG to kill heavies armed with light weapons quite satisfying. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.


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