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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job
FG is fine i use it
lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:07:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job FG is fine i use it lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon I think if AV nades got a big multiplier VS LAVs and dropships then that would solve the issue of them being too OP vs tanks.
Against DS lol since when did superman play the game and lauch nades 600m upwards lol
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Look, Cody is not asking for Derpships to be OHK'd by AV grenades.
He's just asking for them to do more damage to them than what they currently do.
DS are in a **** position
Nerf current mods for tanks, DS get whacked with the nerf bat it looks like even tho its only the mods changing DS will suffer more
Ask for AV buff against tanks, DS suffer again
Only way DS could gain the advantage is if mods requirements got reduced so they can fit stuff on and a PG/CPU buff espc for adv and proto DS, also having medium mods would help instead of light and heavy mods when frankly its more like a medium sized vehicle
Also to hit a DS with AV nades you need to throw it 200m up in the air at least and its not going to happen
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:22:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job FG is fine i use it lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon If every AV weapon is an AV support weapon, what is the primary AV weapon? An MLT tank with a railgun? Sorry, just noticing a fatal flaw with a lot of logic that i have seen from you. Please revise your argument, unless your current position is that an MLT tank with a railgun should be better AV than prototype Swarm Launchers or Forge Guns.
Primary AV weapons - FG/swarms/lolPLC
MLT Railgun vs FG - Railgun is at least 10times the size of a FG, requires a tank to use it, requires massive amounts of PG to equip and use hence the need for a tank hull, it cannot be fit on any dropsuit due to size and power output needed to use it, it can fire the shell farther and it hits harder because its bigger and requires vasts amount of PG to use it
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:00:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job FG is fine i use it lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon If every AV weapon is an AV support weapon, what is the primary AV weapon? An MLT tank with a railgun? Sorry, just noticing a fatal flaw with a lot of logic that i have seen from you. Please revise your argument, unless your current position is that an MLT tank with a railgun should be better AV than prototype Swarm Launchers or Forge Guns. Primary AV weapons - FG/swarms/lolPLC MLT Railgun vs FG - Railgun is at least 10times the size of a FG, requires a tank to use it, requires massive amounts of PG to equip and use hence the need for a tank hull, it cannot be fit on any dropsuit due to size and power output needed to use it, it can fire the shell farther and it hits harder because its bigger and requires vasts amount of PG to use it And the plasma cannon requires more CPU, therefore it should do twice the damage of the railgun, and have a 9 shot clip. Also it is larger than the swarm launcher, and put on the shoulder to fire, which means that it has more kick than the forge gun, and thus should have like 5 times the damage. Also, they require a drop suit to put them on, so it makes sense that they should do more damage than any other AV weapon in the game. EDIT: Just in case it was incomprehensible, this was a semi-satyrical post attempting to apply your logical explanation of why certain weapons must be more powerful by utilizing your exact points, but with a different weapon, the plasma cannon. Please redefine your argument, as it has been invalidated, or acknowledge that you concur with me
Its not been invalidated at all
The CPU needed is pathetic, a tank could easily fit it as a small turret
Also the PLC fires a ball of plasma, not a projectile at high speed, its more like an RPG of sorts which doesnt need a powerful dropsuit to operate it because the suit and weapon are not joined together, essentially you could improve the ammunition to make it more powerful but as a consequence recoil could be alot stronger and also it may hinder movement and reload speeds like the Breach FG does with limited movement due to the high damage output and long spool up time
The railgun is a electrically powered electromagnetic projectile launcher in which a pair of parallel conducting rails, along which a sliding armature is accelerated by the electromagnetic effects of a current that flows down one rail, into the armature and then back along the other rail - This alone requires vasts amounts of PG but also accelerates the projectile alot quicker than the plasma cannon does and with it increases the damage output and distance it can travel, increase the size of the railgun it increases the amount of PG needed and also increases the damage and range output hence why the FG has half the range and reduced damage and requires a heavy suit to use
Would you like to know more?
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2014.01.22 16:21:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Its not been invalidated at all
The CPU needed is pathetic, a tank could easily fit it as a small turret
Also the PLC fires a ball of plasma, not a projectile at high speed, its more like an RPG of sorts which doesnt need a powerful dropsuit to operate it because the suit and weapon are not joined together, essentially you could improve the ammunition to make it more powerful but as a consequence recoil could be alot stronger and also it may hinder movement and reload speeds like the Breach FG does with limited movement due to the high damage output and long spool up time
The railgun is a electrically powered electromagnetic projectile launcher in which a pair of parallel conducting rails, along which a sliding armature is accelerated by the electromagnetic effects of a current that flows down one rail, into the armature and then back along the other rail - This alone requires vasts amounts of PG but also accelerates the projectile alot quicker than the plasma cannon does and with it increases the damage output and distance it can travel, increase the size of the railgun it increases the amount of PG needed and also increases the damage and range output hence why the FG has half the range and reduced damage and requires a heavy suit to use
Would you like to know more?
I would simply like a summary of your main points so that i may continue to refute them. So far, the information that I have gleaned from your post about why a railgun should be exponentially better than any other anti vehicle weapon in the game isGǪ 1. Plasma Cannon CPU usage is very low, allowing it to be fitted as a small turret (please report back to me the CPU usage of the prototype non-specialist cannon, as I am certain that if you attempted to fit one or more of these on a tank as well as modules, you would be sorely disappointed) 2.The plasma fired from a plasma cannon does not move as fast as the railgun shell, so because of this, the plasma cannon shot, which has much more kinetic molecular energy, and is compressed inside of a magnetic field, causing increased pressure should be less efficient, where in reality, a railgun shot is useful for destroying tanks because it moves so fast that it pierces the tank shell and destroys the interior electronic and mechanical engineering. A mass of plasma that is being compressed should be incredibly potent due to its potential and kinetic-molecular energy, and would therefore completely obliterate any entity within the blast's proximity, if the mass/heat/pressure of the plasma were high enough. I know what I am talking about in this field, so please don't try to bluster your way through. 3. The railgun is a railgun, made with what is known in this game as rail technology, and has less than a second of charge time, so it should be better than an anti vehicle weapon with a 4+ second charge time that uses rail technology. 4.Self created conceptions about the game>Actual weapon descriptions and real life physics>AV/ tank balance Please correct me if i misconceived any of these points, or if you have additional points to offer.
PLC fits on a gunlogi fine
The plasma round tho still has to be safe and stable for infantry to carry and use, cant have it melting through the launcher and the suit
Railgun is a railgun - Its a 80gj railgun tbh, small turrets are 20gj and FG could be around 40-60gj but with massive drawbacks
4. lol your doing the same thing
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