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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2053
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:10:00 -
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And if that remains the case, MLT tanks shouldn't change at all. As it stands, they are the most effective way to deal with a std tank not to mention the cost is extremely reasonable.
That's not to say I don't think tanks need to be tuned slightly, but I honestly think std tanks are working as intended. Price is a little low for the power you get out of it, but that's not what we are talking about today.
I think the only way to stop the MLT tank spam and restore balance to the field is to buff AV slightly. We can talk about webs and other potential AV counters, but we something in the now.
As it stands, I think they got the FG just right, I also think the range nerf for swarms and the dmg nerf for AV nades were spot on.
However, the dmg and mag nerf made the swarm launcher useless except when at Proto, and even then the results are often underwhelming.
Now I don't think we should get back full dmg or 5 rounds before reload, but I think 4 in the mag and a 30-50 dmg buff would solve a lot of the problem we have on the battlefield and stop MLT tank spam. Also, if it possible, give AV nades bonus vs LAVs and dropships ONLY. If a LAV stops long enough it should be 3 shotted by packed AV. Same goes for dropships that get too close.
That's all I gotz.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2056
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:44:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:I think one problem is that we allowed tankers to convince us that tanks being OP is the way it should be. They count as one character, one entity, on the field yet if we take a militia tank, no modules and compare it to drop suits what do we see? A tank can one shot anybody, a forge gun takes 3 or 4 shots to kill a tank. Sprint speed is around 7 meters a second, tank speed is 5 times that, drop suits can be killed by small arms, tanks are immune to small arms, if a suit jumps on a tank it is funny, if a tank runs over a suit it is dead, suits can only change suits at supply depots, tanks can be recalled or called at any time, when a suit is in the verge of death, they die, a tanker can jump out and fight as a suit do is essentially playing as two characters. Forget about hardeners and Speed boosts, tanks are OP. The funny thing is that we are willing to accept it, until they broke the camel's back.
Tankers, even though they are only one character, think they should be entitled to all these advantages. I'm actually OK with it, just don't insult our intelligence saying tanks are balanced or that this is even the goal. Tanks should be harder to take down, just not impossible. And I honestly think a lot of current tanks and their prices will change in the future, and this is more of a test run. I'm just not sure why they decided to test nerfing and AV and buffing tanks at the same time. Doing one, then the other would have made more sense IMO.
I've been using AV for a good while now, my 2nd Proto weapon was the swarm launcher back in beta. I really don't hate tanks or love tanks, I'd just like everything to be balanced.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2056
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job Oh yeah, Proto Packed AV one should LAVs regardless of race it belongs to(well, maybe the Amarr LAV should survive...)
I think the FG charge time was broken, simply because with skills the thing could out DPS anything on the field. I really do believe the FG was balanced perfectly.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2056
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Posted - 2014.01.21 17:59:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Cody Sietz wrote: hmmm time to do DAMAGE CONTROL so no one does anything to my IWINZ tank.
That's all I gotz. Pauses Dragons Dogma. Looks at tank scrubs running triple hardners Hey Cody nothing personal and with all due respect but *_*_*_* OFF!! Checks to see if Planetside 2 is going to be ready by April or May. Continues playing Dragons Dogma. i don't run tanks?
I think triple or even double hardeners are broken, buts apart of the tune up I mentioned.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2056
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:05:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job FG is fine i use it lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon I think if AV nades got a big multiplier VS LAVs and dropships then that would solve the issue of them being too OP vs tanks.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2057
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:24:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:I'd say give the Forge Gun a faster recharge time.
Although, I think a MLT/STD LAV should be 1 shotted by a Lai Dai Packed AV Grenade. Not 3.
Pretty much nailed it on the head though. Good Job FG is fine i use it lolno wanting a grenade to do 3k+ dmg lol, we had that last build and it was BS on all vehicles so lolno, its a AV support weapon not a primary weapon I think if AV nades got a big multiplier VS LAVs and dropships then that would solve the issue of them being too OP vs tanks. Hell no!! Then you get a dropship one shoted by an AV grenade?? Thats balance?? If anything tanks need to go SLOWER than an LAV. Tank top speed needs to be 18m to 20m. And why no infantry trenches for infantry to hide in?? The main problem is 16 V 16 Thats too small a player count to support vehicle spam. Anywho the solution is the great PS4 migration. im not gonna argue with you about tank speed, they are too quick. But again, that's a tuning issue.
As for dropships, I don't want them to be one shotted, but if they get within 10 meters of someone chucking packed AV, it should hurt like heck.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2057
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Look, Cody is not asking for Derpships to be OHK'd by AV grenades.
He's just asking for them to do more damage to them than what they currently do. DS are in a **** position Nerf current mods for tanks, DS get whacked with the nerf bat it looks like even tho its only the mods changing DS will suffer more Ask for AV buff against tanks, DS suffer again Only way DS could gain the advantage is if mods requirements got reduced so they can fit stuff on and a PG/CPU buff espc for adv and proto DS, also having medium mods would help instead of light and heavy mods when frankly its more like a medium sized vehicle Also to hit a DS with AV nades you need to throw it 200m up in the air at least and its not going to happen Yeah, that's only gonna be fixed if they make individual modules for tanks, LAVs and dropships. Can mess around with one without potentially buffing/nerfing the other 2.
Dropships seem to be working fine. If I don't fly like a idiot(which I usually do) then I can survive with no problem...until I get too close to a RDV...380k down the terlet.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2060
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:07:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:For every one laying the blame on MLT tanks you can get into basic tanks and mods for about 400k SP. You are going to see the same people spamming better tanks. That is why shifting blame is terrible for dust. You are just wasting CCPs time when they could be fixing the real issues MLT tanks aren't the problem, it's being able to call in a bunch of them with a low risk, high reward system. Most blue dots are going to try and work with each other just to blow a MLT, and even if they do, they only killed a 80k that will be back in less then 20 seconds.
MLT tanks are able to counter std tanks, but in the end the better tanker is going to win. Modules are going to tip the scales, but won't always decide the outcome of a tank vs tank battle.
When you add in AV that can counter the cheaper, ill equipped tanks, then suddenly running a 5 man tank squad or calling in MLT tank, after MLT tank doesn't seem so viable.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2060
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:03:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:My LAV costs near 100k a time, so forgive me if I'm not quite interested in a AV nade buff. I want to see more of these out, I was in a battle the other watching quite an epic fight, the enemy team were on the walls of the installation, and our team had like four LAVs circling firing at them, they were getting kills, swarms were going loose and got like two of them, but they'd pushed and and our Infantry had a chance to get up to the walls and push up the little ramp. I sat back forging **** and trying to keep people off our LAVs but it looked quite epic.
But let's one shot LAVs because who cares about the overall gameplay, I should be able to one shot it because it shouldn't even be in the game. A LAV should be an assault vehicle, when we get speeders (seen the artwork for it), by all means blow them up easily, but not the LAVs. I think Proto Packed AV should one shot stock LAVs, at least armour based ones. It's not they are easy to hit when they are circling you, let along trying to hit them 2-3 grenades.
It is the most expensive AV nade iirc and the hardest to fit onto a suit. Not to mention the high SP to get'em. If the LAV is tanked, fine, but if is stock or MLT and you actually manage to land a grenade on them, then they deserve to die.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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