Aero please include an example of your math so we understand how you determined the numbers. Not being a troll, honest.

alright, counter argument against 20%, sure I'll bite.

The cardiac regulator is one of the very few modules where once you equip one you hardly feel the need to ever equip another. Giving the Amarr the 20% Bonus, in order to equate to a complex, would be the equivalent of giving the Gal or Cal a 500% bonus to scan radius (which would be necessary to get them up to around 80m scan radius), so that they would have no need to ever equip a range amp.

I could support a 10% bonus but not a 20%.

Alright my counter argument.

The reasoning for the amarr scout getting only a 25% increase to regen and stamina is because it ties in line with the same bonus multipliers as the other bonuses. The reasoning behind only 25% instead of 50/100% is because the balance lies in the fact CCP wants to ensure you still need to equip a card reg to really capitalize on that bonus. Same with all other scouts or racials for that matter.

Minmitar - 25% bonus to hacking. Equates to 2 seconds less of hacking, not all that useful. With a cpx codebreaker 7 seconds less of hacking.
Caldari - Precision enhancement gives you the option to see mediums but not scouts. Equip precision mod, you get to see scouts
Galentte - Damp bonus enhancement keeps you safe from most scanners, but not prototype and not gal scanners.
Amarr - Gives you longer run times and increased regen, adding a cpx card reg gives you the option to never stop running.

Now if you gave the Amarr a 50% or 100% bonus to regen and stamina they would never have to slip in GREEN pills. It would effectively be a waste to the suit. Which I think is the main reasoning for the way the bonus is balanced.

Also, it is important to balance from the top down. That measly hp bonus actually equates to 87 more hitpoints when skilled up.

EDIT: Gal wont be immune to the focused scanner (14dB) until they fit damps. Regardless of who is running the focused.

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My counter point has plenty of context. All the other suits are required to still use the mod with which they get a bonus for. If amarr got a 50% bonus they would never have a reason to fit a card reg. Tipping the scales in the other direction. 50% is just too much of a bonus.

You stated that a 2 second less stamina boost is useless, which is the current bonus for Amarr. Well you get 2 less seconds to hack as a minmitar. Is that bonus equally as useless? 2 seconds less hacking time is only when hacking, while utilizing stamina is an all battle long skill bonus. Does that mean a minmitar should never have to fit codebreakers? If so they should just get a 75% bonus to hack speed so it "frees up a slot"

I would rather as a minmitar scout have a 25% bonus to stamina than a 25% hack bonus. Stamina is the life blood of a scout. The hack bonus is uselss by itself, its only useful when coupled with the mods it bonuses that it becomes useful. Thats the whole point of the stamina bonus to amarr currently. Its not all that great until you utilize a card reg.

I understand where you are coming from in terms of "mod cost" but role bonuses are not there to "free up a slot" they are there to create a ROLE.

Facepalm. I am not talking about single mod replacements. I already said I agree with the fact its not a "fair" mod/slots wise. But its the sum of the parts that makes it a good/fair bonus.

If you actually take your example to completion you would see the minmitar is not any better. The minmitar has one less low slot and less CPU/PG, which HAS to be factored into the equation. You cant just cherry pick the individual stats you want and supplant all the rest.

With 50% bonus an amarr scout could fit 1 cGREEN and 2 cREDS and would be nigh impossible to catch. It could also outrun every scout suit in the game for days. You have to think at the highest level. Not the basic mod to mod variations.

The amarr scout could actually run faster and farther than every scout in the game with its current bonuses and you want to quadruple/double that?

Again the bonus itself has nothing to do with replacement of mods but what it CAN DO if optimized. Running forever at >10m/s = broken.

Again the bonus itself has nothing to do with replacement of mods but what it CAN DO if optimized. Running forever at >10m/s = broken.

And you want to double that with the amarr who has the same low slot count with only slightly lower sprint speed? 80 seconds of sprinting at 10m/s is a life time. The minimtar can only do that for 20 seconds.

I think 10% is still too great of a bonus. 50% extra stamina is friggin huge. Thats an enormous stamina pool with even a single card reg and you have to realize people will fit those to get infinite stamina.

I think 10% is still too great of a bonus. 50% extra stamina is friggin huge. Thats an enormous stamina pool with even a single card reg and you have to realize people will fit those to get infinite stamina.

I think 10% is still too great of a bonus. 50% extra stamina is friggin huge. Thats an enormous stamina pool with even a single card reg and you have to realize people will fit those to get infinite stamina.

What about a bonus to stamina consumption of jumping? 5% /level