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Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:44:00 - [1] - Quote Just a thought that came up in my head when I jumped off a cliff and died with full HP... "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1687	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:46:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, I have learned in my resent trails of getting ready for the Amarr scout that every last HP counts whether it be shields or armor. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 97	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:55:00 - [3] - Quote As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Sneaky Fletcher Three-body Solution 51	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:02:00 - [4] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Just a thought that came up in my head when I jumped off a cliff and died with full HP... OMIGUSH!!! your mouth is full of truth!! keep that up --:)
JL3Eleven 1585	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:04:00 - [5] - Quote No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1661	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:07:00 - [6] - Quote Fall damage is too high for all suits. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10205	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:10:00 - [7] - Quote Yes Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3060	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:11:00 - [8] - Quote Jumping off a ledge takes half my shields. :( Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 718	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:12:00 - [9] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. This guy knows nothing about Scout it seems "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:14:00 - [10] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. We are talking about NINJAS AND ASSASSINS!! They aren't really either of those when you see a mangled scout corpse on the floor when he fell from a 16ft ledge... "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?

Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:15:00 - [11] - Quote Palatinate wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. We are talking about NINJAS AND ASSASSINS!! They aren't really either of those when you see a mangled scout corpse on the floor when he jumped from a 16ft ledge... "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10205	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:17:00 - [12] - Quote Wtb parkour Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5670	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:17:00 - [13] - Quote I'm almost inclined to believe scouts shouldn't take any fall damage at all, but that may be pushing it. I definitely think having different fall damages based on the frame size of your suit is an interesting topic to look into. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:20:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm almost inclined to believe scouts shouldn't take any fall damage at all, but that may be pushing it. I definitely think having different fall damages based on the frame size of your suit is an interesting topic to look into. Do you think we should make it deal damage based off how much base HP you have? "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1995	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:20:00 - [15] - Quote I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Selling Templar BPO 250Mil
Aqua-Regia 629	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:24:00 - [16] - Quote Just for the hell of it because apparently shinobi can fly so i was told(in anime). Can my scout get glider, so when I jump I take no fall damage and can glide mid air to the obj. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *S00NGäó*GòPGò¼GòºGò¬GòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGò¬GòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúAmarrGòáGòòGòÆGòúRNDGòáGòò
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10205	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:29:00 - [17] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
JL3Eleven 1589	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:30:00 - [18] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. This guy knows nothing about Scout it seems Yesss please tell me dear tanker Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1996	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:34:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. No, if they were the exact same form/shape they would. I think the scout suit could be sold as a suit designed so it falls slower so it will be adaptive to jumping of buildings. Selling Templar BPO 250Mil
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 216	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:36:00 - [20] - Quote Scoutz need them tanooki suits already Making a post on these forums stating you're drunk implies that you're not drunk or are a total weaksauce drinker.

JL3Eleven 1589	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:38:00 - [21] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. No, if they were the exact same form/shape they would. I think the scout suit could be sold as a suit designed so it falls slower so it will be adaptive to jumping of buildings. I like your idea tbh. To me the scout is fragile and breaks easily so a fall would be considered deadly imo. Supercorp: A corporation with the ability to shape and control events and project power on a New Eden-wide scale.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5678	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:39:00 - [22] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I'm almost inclined to believe scouts shouldn't take any fall damage at all, but that may be pushing it. I definitely think having different fall damages based on the frame size of your suit is an interesting topic to look into. Do you think we should make it deal damage based off how much base HP you have? Not sure, haven't put too much thought into this yet, but it is definitely an interesting topic to explore. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3876	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:39:00 - [23] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Just a thought that came up in my head when I jumped off a cliff and died with full HP... +1 to parkour Skills -15% Fall damage per level -75% fall damage at level 5 XD LOL GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:42:00 - [24] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Palatinate wrote: Just a thought that came up in my head when I jumped off a cliff and died with full HP... +1 to parkour Skills -15% Fall damage per level -75% fall damage at level 5 XD LOL I was going to shotgun someone too but all I did was waste a clone and gave him a good laugh. "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 151	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:43:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. Real life physics, yes, as long as both objects are equally aerodynamic. Tbh, since scout are smaller, they would have less expensive but less wind resistance However speed does not equal the amount of force applied on impact. Force=mass x acceleration. So in general a larger object may accelerate slower, the over all force applied to the ground, and in return to the object. Is greater. Tl, Dr Scouts will fall accelerate faster, and there for hit terminal velocity sooner then a heavy, but barely. However he distance needed to reach terminal velocity is around 40 feet, and the difference in acceleration would be negligible. In the short distance of say 10 feet, a heavy object will impact with much greater force then the lighter one. I'm not very good with my physics, but I'm sure someone could demonstrate. Just go drop a bowling ball and a soccer ball and see which one does more damage Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1494	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:52:00 - [26] - Quote It may help to apply stamina to falling damage before shield/or armour damage. The stamina reserves being depleted absorbing the impact from large falls, the smaller falls resulting in less damage just sap your ability to run as far. KRRROOOOOOM
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 380	Posted - 2014.01.21 05:53:00 - [27] - Quote Give me some parkour moves like vault, catleap, speed vault, ROLL, [no fall damage if you roll] wall climbs, and wall runs for my scout!!! CCP I dare you!!! Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!! I specialize in ridiculousness.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1469	Posted - 2014.01.21 06:01:00 - [28] - Quote I like the idea of Scouts taking less fall damage. It's one of those little things that could add depth and character and fun factor to the suit. I support SP rollover.
Alpha 443-6732 329	Posted - 2014.01.21 06:11:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. They would fall at the same speed, but heavies would have a higher terminal velocity and more force acting upon it. Because racism is realism
Green Living 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1164	Posted - 2014.01.21 06:14:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah, it's absolutely stupid that scouts take the same amount of fall damage. Scouts are light and nimble, much like a ninja. Reduce fall damage NOW.

Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6513	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:06:00 - [31] - Quote I agree that depleting stamina before shield/armor upon fall impact is a good temporary fix. But overall, scout suits should roll over upon landing from a moderate-to-high fall as a way to reduce damage. We are nimble ninjas after all with minimal gear and plenty of flexibility. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 834	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:19:00 - [32] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I think the fall speed should be different for each suit size. this will also be a fix for fall damage. A heavy is large, less aerodynamic falls fast and hits the ground hard A scout is more adaptive to jumping of high buildings, so falls slower and hits the ground lightly causing small amounts of damage. Doesn't physics dictate that both fall at the same speed? I would think scouts take less fall damage because the suit itself is specifically designed to better disperse the impact from landing. Try jumping out of a second story window in tennis shoes. Then try the same in heavy boots while holding a 50lb dumbbell in each hand. You get my drift? But yea the velocity of the fall would be the same, but I am not sure why you brought that up. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Teilka Darkmist 21	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:51:00 - [33] - Quote Here's a though, let us use the inertial dampeners from any height in any suit. 'You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old' - This gets old VERY quickly.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 234	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:56:00 - [34] - Quote YES it's enjoying as F when you jump in shoot some one in the face then jump to get out of there because the red horde is coming just to die from the BLODEY fall. To al shotgun users better then me FU =ƒÿ£ To al shotgun users worse then me FU =ƒÿ¥ War never changes
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 310	Posted - 2014.01.21 07:58:00 - [35] - Quote I think the fall damage is to harsh for all suits but especially for scouts. I have to put a complex shield extender in my one high slot just so I don't always go into armour from small jumps. It's ridiculous. Please fix the mic bubble bug...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1278	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:12:00 - [36] - Quote Physics 101 Why scouts should take less damage. Force equals mass times acceleration. Weight is a force which is an objects mass time the acceleration of gravity. Assuming two objects of different mass fell from the same height. The object with greater mass would fall with more force even though they'd both fall at the same rate (ignoring air resistance which is negligible for this scenario) The energy on impact would be the force times the distance traveled. The heavy would have more energy on impact than the light suit, so in theory it should take more damage. In the end even though the heavy takes more damage it has more eHP to absorb the impact energy. Light suits should take less damage from a fall as they fall with less force and therefore hit the ground with less energy. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 124	Posted - 2014.01.21 08:32:00 - [37] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Physics 101 Why scouts should take less damage. Force equals mass times acceleration. Weight is a force which is an objects mass time the acceleration of gravity. Assuming two objects of different mass fell from the same height. The object with greater mass would fall with more force even though they'd both fall at the same rate (ignoring air resistance which is negligible for this scenario) The energy on impact would be the force times the distance traveled. The heavy would have more energy on impact than the light suit, so in theory it should take more damage. In the end even though the heavy takes more damage it has more eHP to absorb the impact energy. Light suits should take less damage from a fall as they fall with less force and therefore hit the ground with less energy. In this case my heavy landing on the ground should have splash damage around it and impact damage if you land on somebody. (Just for lols) In terms of taking less damage per frame size, would make sense. I would also think Light frames should be able to glide to a certain extent on longer falls. Right now the movement in air isn't very much at all. "Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom." -Looks in Closet- "Dear God"
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 228	Posted - 2014.01.21 11:55:00 - [38] - Quote YES! scouts should take no fall damage unless they fail to activate their inertial dampers.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:01:00 - [39] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? Well that's cause you can't jump so you would never make it down the hill. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 228	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:02:00 - [40] - Quote Palatinate wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: No, they are speed oriented not shield/armor. We are talking about NINJAS AND ASSASSINS!! They aren't really either of those when you see a mangled scout corpse on the floor when he fell from a 16ft ledge... you mean a ledge I could jump in full kit in real life??? some supper soldiers.

Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 243	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:25:00 - [41] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? Well that's cause you can't jump so you would never make it down the hill. Indeed. We all know heavies cant jump. "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 36	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:54:00 - [42] - Quote I would like to suggest Scouts get a Flying Squirel suit so they can glide off the MCC instead of a straight vertical fall.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 371	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:59:00 - [43] - Quote +1 I hate lossing all my shields jumping off a platform to ninja kill someone on the ground
Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 37	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:04:00 - [44] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? Well that's cause you can't jump so you would never make it down the hill. Indeed. We all know heavies cant jump. Written Proof About Heavies & Jumping
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 245	Posted - 2014.01.21 20:53:00 - [45] - Quote Dheez wrote: Palatinate wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Supernus Gigas wrote: As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? Well that's cause you can't jump so you would never make it down the hill. Indeed. We all know heavies cant jump. Written Proof About Heavies & Jumping If only you were there! I was cracking up when I saw he couldn't jump over the tiny railing! "Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 390	Posted - 2014.01.21 21:07:00 - [46] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: As a Heavy; Fall damage? lol wuts dat? Says the person who cringes when they see a 4 inch sidewalk I still love you heavies anyways! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick


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