DUST Search - Why Refunding Dropsuit Command Only Is Unfair to Heavies

Chunky Munkey wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Let's just imagine that 1.8 rolls around and CCP decides to only refund Dropsuit Command.

Ok.

So, a shotgun scout could still become a shotgun logi, a shotgun assault, or hell, even a shotgun heavy if that's his thing.

A rail rifle logi can still become a rail rifle assault, a rail rifle scout, or even a rail rifle commando, while still getting use out of whatever equipment he once had.

That swarm launcher assault guy can go over to a logi if he wants the added equipment, or even a scout focusing on stealth, or a commando for the extra damage.

So. What about that HMG heavy or Forge gun heavy. How do his skills transfer over to new suits. Why can every other suit switch without losing out, where heavies can only switch if they forever forget the SP they invested into Heavy weapons?

If heavy weapons are not refunded, then only Heavy and Light frames should be refunded SP, as these are the only new additions. Full infantry respec for all, or highly limited respec for only the new suits being added. Pick your poison.

By that logic, people with proto rep tools & injectors are being overlooked too.

If someone has skilled a heavy weapon, they clearly wanted to play as a heavy. Now that they'd get a dropsuit respec, they can pick the heavy they never had the choice to before. What's the problem?

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10193	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:56:00 - [31] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Let's just imagine that 1.8 rolls around and CCP decides to only refund Dropsuit Command. Ok. So, a shotgun scout could still become a shotgun logi, a shotgun assault, or hell, even a shotgun heavy if that's his thing. A rail rifle logi can still become a rail rifle assault, a rail rifle scout, or even a rail rifle commando, while still getting use out of whatever equipment he once had. That swarm launcher assault guy can go over to a logi if he wants the added equipment, or even a scout focusing on stealth, or a commando for the extra damage. So. What about that HMG heavy or Forge gun heavy. How do his skills transfer over to new suits. Why can every other suit switch without losing out, where heavies can only switch if they forever forget the SP they invested into Heavy weapons? If heavy weapons are not refunded, then only Heavy and Light frames should be refunded SP, as these are the only new additions. Full infantry respec for all, or highly limited respec for only the new suits being added. Pick your poison. By that logic, people with proto rep tools & injectors are being overlooked too. If someone has skilled a heavy weapon, they clearly wanted to play as a heavy. Now that they'd get a dropsuit respec, they can pick the heavy they never had the choice to before. What's the problem? That makes no sense. You can still use trained equipment on every frame, because commandos. You cannot however use heavy weapons on every frame. So, you would give every other frame the chance to switch frames, while forcing heavies to stay as heavies. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1283	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:31:00 - [32] - Quote Full infantry respec because with all these knew suits and weapons people will get the chance to skill into suits they may have been waiting for, for months. I definitely am not using this an alterier motive because 4.5 mil from infantry plus triple sp gives me enough to have everything in tanks I want maxed to be maxed. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Nirwanda Vaughns 274	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:39:00 - [33] - Quote basically if you have prof 5 in hmg you could slap it on a militia heavy suit and still own in it. the skills arn't wasted. a militia heavy with dropsuit upgrades and weapons maxed out is still a formidable suit. why you think most folk will run a templar/dren sentinel and then slap std stuff on it. its not like the 1.5 era heavy its back to being great even at a low level Proto and proud!!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10195	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:46:00 - [34] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: basically if you have prof 5 in hmg you could slap it on a militia heavy suit and still own in it. the skills arn't wasted. a militia heavy with dropsuit upgrades and weapons maxed out is still a formidable suit. why you think most folk will run a templar/dren sentinel and then slap std stuff on it. its not like the 1.5 era heavy its back to being great even at a low level As I've mentioned, it has nothing to do with performance. If that was the case, I would just stick with heavies considering they're getting even MORE buffs. Who puts proto HMG on a MLT heavy for anything other than trolling?..... Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 36	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:30:00 - [35] - Quote If you're already spec'd into HMG/Forge, sorry there is no going back. But with the HMG fix it is now one of the best weapon on the field. And having a forge is always needed in any PC match, allowing you to be first to get picked. The thing I don't get is why are you lumping in scouts to your cause. They can use any weapon and anyone can use sniper rifles. I personally hate scouts and thier QQing. "I can't slay, why can't I be a slayer" its complete BS. Everyone needs to stick to the roles theirs suit are made for and quit trying to make them something they are not. If you are still playing this game, that means you might stick around long enough to earn some serious SP and at some point all your core skills will be spec'd and you'll start branching into other roles. So quit crying about suits and spec your core skills. Assaults - push objective and slay Heavy - meat shield slayers/AV Logi - full support Scouts - scout(find people/hack unwatched objectives), snipe Team work wins matches, not gear, sp, and individual stats "Long live the Empress, unless you have some isk"
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 88	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:48:00 - [36] - Quote I dont want respecs to be a common thing. However we have to consider some of us may have spec'ed into things such as the minmatar logi mainly for the hacking speed. Granted it has no use in ambush and only a slight use in domination but in conquest errm i mean skirmish , it makes a big difference. If that hacking bonus is in fact going to be moved to a different suit, is it not fair that a respec is given one time so people can continue with there chosen path?
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 88	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:51:00 - [37] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: If you're already spec'd into HMG/Forge, sorry there is no going back. But with the HMG fix it is now one of the best weapon on the field. And having a forge is always needed in any PC match, allowing you to be first to get picked. The thing I don't get is why are you lumping in scouts to your cause. They can use any weapon and anyone can use sniper rifles. I personally hate scouts and thier QQing. "I can't slay, why can't I be a slayer" its complete BS. Everyone needs to stick to the roles theirs suit are made for and quit trying to make them something they are not. If you are still playing this game, that means you might stick around long enough to earn some serious SP and at some point all your core skills will be spec'd and you'll start branching into other roles. So quit crying about suits and spec your core skills. Assaults - push objective and slay Heavy - meat shield slayers/AV Logi - full support Scouts - scout(find people/hack unwatched objectives), snipe Team work wins matches, not gear, sp, and individual stats While I agree somewhat, you are neglecting ninja play, sabotage and many other things that are possible with a scout.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10203	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:50:00 - [38] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: If you're already spec'd into HMG/Forge, sorry there is no going back. But with the HMG fix it is now one of the best weapon on the field. And having a forge is always needed in any PC match, allowing you to be first to get picked. The thing I don't get is why are you lumping in scouts to your cause. They can use any weapon and anyone can use sniper rifles. I personally hate scouts and thier QQing. "I can't slay, why can't I be a slayer" its complete BS. Everyone needs to stick to the roles theirs suit are made for and quit trying to make them something they are not. If you are still playing this game, that means you might stick around long enough to earn some serious SP and at some point all your core skills will be spec'd and you'll start branching into other roles. So quit crying about suits and spec your core skills. Assaults - push objective and slay Heavy - meat shield slayers/AV Logi - full support Scouts - scout(find people/hack unwatched objectives), snipe Team work wins matches, not gear, sp, and individual stats Or, since I'm dreadfully bored of Heavies, if all the changes come through without a respec I'll simply set the game down, and go play something else. I've gone through 2 years of this now, and if CCP decides that role playing is more important than the decisions of paying customers, I will simply quietly walk away. This has nothing to do with effectiveness of my past SP allocations, and everything to do with using my SP how I want in relation to the infantry rebalance and all racial suits being in the game. Also, players trying to pigeon hole each suit into particular roles are exactly what's wrong with this game. And lastly, my core skills have been maxed for a very long time now. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot


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