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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:36:00 -
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Let's just imagine that 1.8 rolls around and CCP decides to only refund Dropsuit Command.
Ok.
So, a shotgun scout could still become a shotgun logi, a shotgun assault, or hell, even a shotgun heavy if that's his thing.
A rail rifle logi can still become a rail rifle assault, a rail rifle scout, or even a rail rifle commando, while still getting use out of whatever equipment he once had.
That swarm launcher assault guy can go over to a logi if he wants the added equipment, or even a scout focusing on stealth, or a commando for the extra damage.
So. What about that HMG heavy or Forge gun heavy. How do his skills transfer over to new suits. Why can every other suit switch without losing out, where heavies can only switch if they forever forget the SP they invested into Heavy weapons?
If heavy weapons are not refunded, then only Heavy and Light frames should be refunded SP, as these are the only new additions. Full infantry respec for all, or highly limited respec for only the new suits being added. Pick your posion.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:44:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:With the DSC respec as a heavy you can choose the race variant that fits your play style. May it be full time Forge or HMG slayer. And if your not a complete idiot and spec'd into multiple suits you can shrink your collection and have a race variant for each of the heavy weapons. And you still get to use all the other weapons. Heavy with a RR is not the most effective killer but it always makes me change my attack plan. So keep an open mind and remember heavies get screwed.
Side note: CCP needs to up the damage to vehicles done by forge guns. What I'm saying is that if you do a blanket refund to dropsuit command, everyone else can swap suits if they like, where heavies are forced to stay heavies because they can't use their heavy weapons on other suits, unlike light weapons which can be used on heavy suits, and which even have a heavy suit dedicated to them.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:57:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:That was a well written pile of garbage lol :-P I like the way you address my point; a dropsuit command refund would indeed be garbage.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 19:52:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:Any respec, if given, would have little to do with allowing players to change roles. The respec would be aimed at allowing players to enjoy their choice of racial suits where they previously had none. Yes, like the tanker respec, some players would take the SP and leave their previous role. But, that is not the purpose or goal of the respec. The purpose is to allow players to spec into the suit of their choice. Scouts and heavies are rejoicing about this. Actually, you seem to be the only... I use this term loosely with you... Heavy... That is complaining about the oft-requested arrival of racial parity in drop suits.
Any respec given, isn't for the people who want to jump on the ADS or whatever other bandwagon. Will they benefit from it? Yes. But it's for those of us who are dedicated to a role and wish to fulfill that role with drop suits that were not previously available. Real heavies and real scouts. I only went heavy because scouts were in a laughable position, and I have no interest in medium frames. I'll continue to ignore every single SP I've dumped into infantry if we aren't given a proper respec simply because the heavy playstyle thoroughly bores me now that I've had the chance to test it through and through.
I no longer find any aspect of being a heavy appealing, and it has nothing to do with effectiveness. I'd honestly rather just set the game down then carry around 10+ million SP that I'll never bother using again.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Let's just imagine that 1.8 rolls around and CCP decides to only refund Dropsuit Command.
Ok.
So, a shotgun scout could still become a shotgun logi, a shotgun assault, or hell, even a shotgun heavy if that's his thing.
A rail rifle logi can still become a rail rifle assault, a rail rifle scout, or even a rail rifle commando, while still getting use out of whatever equipment he once had.
That swarm launcher assault guy can go over to a logi if he wants the added equipment, or even a scout focusing on stealth, or a commando for the extra damage.
So. What about that HMG heavy or Forge gun heavy. How do his skills transfer over to new suits. Why can every other suit switch without losing out, where heavies can only switch if they forever forget the SP they invested into Heavy weapons?
If heavy weapons are not refunded, then only Heavy and Light frames should be refunded SP, as these are the only new additions. Full infantry respec for all, or highly limited respec for only the new suits being added. Pick your poison. By that logic, people with proto rep tools & injectors are being overlooked too. If someone has skilled a heavy weapon, they clearly wanted to play as a heavy. Now that they'd get a dropsuit respec, they can pick the heavy they never had the choice to before. What's the problem? That makes no sense. You can still use trained equipment on every frame, because commandos. You cannot however use heavy weapons on every frame. So, you would give every other frame the chance to switch frames, while forcing heavies to stay as heavies.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 22:46:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:basically if you have prof 5 in hmg you could slap it on a militia heavy suit and still own in it. the skills arn't wasted. a militia heavy with dropsuit upgrades and weapons maxed out is still a formidable suit. why you think most folk will run a templar/dren sentinel and then slap std stuff on it. its not like the 1.5 era heavy its back to being great even at a low level As I've mentioned, it has nothing to do with performance. If that was the case, I would just stick with heavies considering they're getting even MORE buffs.
Who puts proto HMG on a MLT heavy for anything other than trolling?.....
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Posted - 2014.01.21 02:50:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:If you're already spec'd into HMG/Forge, sorry there is no going back. But with the HMG fix it is now one of the best weapon on the field. And having a forge is always needed in any PC match, allowing you to be first to get picked.
The thing I don't get is why are you lumping in scouts to your cause. They can use any weapon and anyone can use sniper rifles. I personally hate scouts and thier QQing. "I can't slay, why can't I be a slayer" its complete BS. Everyone needs to stick to the roles theirs suit are made for and quit trying to make them something they are not.
If you are still playing this game, that means you might stick around long enough to earn some serious SP and at some point all your core skills will be spec'd and you'll start branching into other roles. So quit crying about suits and spec your core skills.
Assaults - push objective and slay Heavy - meat shield slayers/AV Logi - full support Scouts - scout(find people/hack unwatched objectives), snipe
Team work wins matches, not gear, sp, and individual stats Or, since I'm dreadfully bored of Heavies, if all the changes come through without a respec I'll simply set the game down, and go play something else. I've gone through 2 years of this now, and if CCP decides that role playing is more important than the decisions of paying customers, I will simply quietly walk away.
This has nothing to do with effectiveness of my past SP allocations, and everything to do with using my SP how I want in relation to the infantry rebalance and all racial suits being in the game.
Also, players trying to pigeon hole each suit into particular roles are exactly what's wrong with this game. And lastly, my core skills have been maxed for a very long time now.
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