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Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1065	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:44:00 - [1] - Quote 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out if tgevred line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2930	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:46:00 - [2] - Quote 9) When you realize you're the only one hacking points while your team is still calling in/waiting for vehicles. Otherwise AMEN BROTHER, AMEN. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 628	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:47:00 - [3] - Quote When i get my best 2 minutes of the week running trough enemy squads like butter and realizing the blue behind me is now calling in an LAV 2 m from the enemy objective. No longer a shield of Cat Merc.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2168	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:48:00 - [4] - Quote The other side has a squad. Unless im lucky and tie them all up its going to be a loss "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2565	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:49:00 - [5] - Quote So IGÇÖm guessing your never in a squad either? I often encounter many of these points but you should GÇ£Never Back DownGÇ¥ and our squad usually carries the teams and we end up winning. Keep pushing, spam uplinks, don't resort to sniping and never give up! Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 131	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:50:00 - [6] - Quote The amount of time I've played a domination recently only to find that I'm the only one running uplinks is just astounding. Great for my wp total, terribad for my win/loss ratio :( Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 629	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:53:00 - [7] - Quote This will sound silly but I have experienced something like a morale bonus when fighting solo. it happens when you are in the sight of your blues and start kicking ass, their performance increases drastically - the better blues want to beat you and the bad ones run behind you as if you were a spearhead. No longer a shield of Cat Merc.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 825	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:00:00 - [8] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. 9. When you blue dot walks past an Enemy uplink 10. When your Blue dot doesn't notice a red dot standing beside them 11. When you see 4-5 blue dot's behind you and yet you get shot from that direction 12. When your blue dot's go 0/12, 2/15, 0/14, 1/12 and the other team brags about cloning you and beating you 13. When your blue dot's bring out 5 tanks and lasts less than 2 mins 14. When all your blue dot's decide to go on top of towers and try to cap the objective from there (Apparently tower hugging is a legit tactic) *** FW Special: When your blue dot tries to shoot through you or walks right into your line of Fire.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1074	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:00:00 - [9] - Quote Lol, 3 would be a sign you might win. Push the forward points quick and the rear point takes care of itself. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2895	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:04:00 - [10] - Quote Number 8 is the most disheartening. No.

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1066	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:07:00 - [11] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: So IGÇÖm guessing your never in a squad either? I often encounter many of these points but you should GÇ£Never Back DownGÇ¥ and our squad usually carries the teams and we end up winning. Keep pushing, spam uplinks, don't resort to sniping and never give up! Yea, I hate waiting around for someone to take a **, walk their cat, or screw a muppit doll CALDARI not so MASTER RACE** Forum Warrior Level: 10
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2683	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:11:00 - [12] - Quote I ran into a new case last night. I spawned in late and saw a full squad on my team but all the objectives were red. Seems they filled the vehicle quota with dropships and were just buzzing around leaving the rest of the team short handed in the ground fight. I tried for a while but it was clear we weren't going to have any air support. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 344	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:30:00 - [13] - Quote When the enemy have 2 ADS and have all objectives covered and no one on your team puls out a single forge gun or swarm launcher, jsut to drive them off dont have to kill them. The number of times even in my own squad I have said "tank camping the objective 2 people try and spawn on my uplink near it and drive it off" and all i hear is "swarms cant kill tanks, no way man" makes me die alittle inside.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1177	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:39:00 - [14] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. 9. When you blue dot walks past an Enemy uplink 10. When your Blue dot doesn't notice a red dot standing beside them 11. When you see 4-5 blue dot's behind you and yet you get shot from that direction 12. When your blue dot's go 0/12, 2/15, 0/14, 1/12 and the other team brags about cloning you and beating you 13. When your blue dot's bring out 5 tanks and lasts less than 2 mins 14. When all your blue dot's decide to go on top of towers and try to cap the objective from there (Apparently tower hugging is a legit tactic) * FW Special: When your blue dot tries to shoot through you or walks right into your line of Fire. 15. uplinks in the middle of the road, or out of cover. 16. the enemy owns the compound before your team has taken their home point 17. tankaggedon in a skrim 18. 17 people hacking a cru and one on the point 19. 30 seconds into the match the enemy owns all the points * FW Special: roadkilled by a friendly LAV "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1467	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:46:00 - [15] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. All good clues for the matchmaker. I support SP rollover.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2683	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:50:00 - [16] - Quote Military analysts are calling these key indicators. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1645	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:19:00 - [17] - Quote when i'm on a map that requires lav's, and mine is the first to come in =/
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12363	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:21:00 - [18] - Quote 5 minutes on domination camping around the capture point and not capturing it. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
843-BANE BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 330	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:22:00 - [19] - Quote You know you've got dumbass blue dots when the continually fire at your vehicle after you've driven off, angry that you didn't wait the 10-15 seconds to pick them up. Director // Ranking Officer // BurgezzE.T.F Patron of War \| GPæGPìGPî
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5774	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:23:00 - [20] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: This will sound silly but I have experienced something like a morale bonus when fighting solo. it happens when you are in the sight of your blues and start kicking ass, their performance increases drastically - the better blues want to beat you and the bad ones run behind you as if you were a spearhead. Why are you no longer my shield? I was about to announce you as the knight of cats! Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos

Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1296	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:24:00 - [21] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. I always ignore the first point. Some lazy redliner will get it eventually. Best go deep at the start if no-one gets it it might be a sign that they are good blues. Last man past should stop off. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 205	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:26:00 - [22] - Quote surely ccp has some kind of data that supports all this... not only that, but the game is fundamentally broken at its most basic design elements. you must reward the player for actively participating and provide an means of escape when things go wrong. wp dont count because you get them regardless of whether or not you do anything. thats broken sp dont count because you get that as well for doing nothing. thats broken isk dont count either when you get it for both losing and winning whether you contributed to that win or loss. thats broken nobody has any reason for trying to win a match that does not readily appear to be in their favor. new players hide in the redlines because they neither have the isk, or skills to contribute towards a win. which means that anyone being matched with a new player is already at a disadvantage. that leads to poor team moral, which leads to a team giving up. ccp needs to keep new players together. period. that way they will feelas though things are even. ccp also needs to provide a militia gear only mode and forcibly set everyone's sp skill level to 3 for the match. everybody gets the same gear to choose from, and everybody uses that gear at the same level of sp investment. this is what our public contract modes should have been done like
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10181	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Zekain K wrote: 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. I always ignore the first point. Some lazy redliner will get it eventually. Best go deep at the start if no-one gets it it might be a sign that they are good blues. Last man past should stop off. If I'm not playing solo I always drop two guys off at objective closest to the enemy redline, then I support with missiles till it's hacked. That always throws people off. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 847	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Zekain K wrote: 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. I always ignore the first point. Some lazy redliner will get it eventually. Best go deep at the start if no-one gets it it might be a sign that they are good blues. Last man past should stop off. If I'm not playing solo I always drop two guys off at objective closest to the enemy redline, then I support with missiles till it's hacked. That always throws people off. i do the same thing but solo... i just commit wholesale slaughter of any red coming out of their redline... needless to say i end up against 2-3 redline rails by the end of most of my games.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 633	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:59:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: This will sound silly but I have experienced something like a morale bonus when fighting solo. it happens when you are in the sight of your blues and start kicking ass, their performance increases drastically - the better blues want to beat you and the bad ones run behind you as if you were a spearhead. Why are you no longer my shield? I was about to announce you as the knight of cats! I don't feel like a man when you use me just because you want to feel safe :roll:] No longer a shield of Cat Merc.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 86	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:20:00 - [26] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. 9. When you blue dot walks past an Enemy uplink 10. When your Blue dot doesn't notice a red dot standing beside them 11. When you see 4-5 blue dot's behind you and yet you get shot from that direction 12. When your blue dot's go 0/12, 2/15, 0/14, 1/12 and the other team brags about cloning you and beating you 13. When your blue dot's bring out 5 tanks and lasts less than 2 mins 14. When all your blue dot's decide to go on top of towers and try to cap the objective from there (Apparently tower hugging is a legit tactic) *** FW Special: When your blue dot tries to shoot through you or walks right into your line of Fire. I can't tell you how many morons I've had walk into my lines of fire. It's a guaranteed thing in at least 5 matches a day, even more so if I'm in a building. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:57:00 - [27] - Quote When everybody else is so obsessed with KDR statistics and how to raise theirs.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1071	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:59:00 - [28] - Quote Dheez wrote: When everybody else is so obsessed with KDR statistics and how to raise theirs. Well you can't win if you can't kill the enemy. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 244	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:10:00 - [29] - Quote When you see a blue dot trying to destroy the enemy mcc with his AR
Onesimus Tarsus 875	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:14:00 - [30] - Quote 99. There's a player on your side named Onesimus Tarsus. God loves you. And I'm sure He'll tell you so when I'm done with you.

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:16:00 - [31] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Dheez wrote: When everybody else is so obsessed with KDR statistics and how to raise theirs. Well you can't win if you can't kill the enemy. You kind of can, I mean you have to kill some of them, but in the objective games the winning team often has more deaths.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:25:00 - [32] - Quote I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4080	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:26:00 - [33] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. The second I see one of these three is an instant quit.
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 6	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:04:00 - [34] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. The second I see one of these three is an instant quit. Your a disgrace! You should be the better man. I like getting the 600k payouts. Last night got 3000wp. Rest of team had 500wp or less. 700k isk payout. I NEVER leave a match no matter how bad it is. I take it as an imposible challenge. Logi's win wars.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 33	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 - [35] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. sounds like caldari FW

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 962	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:13:00 - [36] - Quote When you get into a match with only 10% armor left on the MCC. /c DUSTBoard DUSTSearch DUST Server Status

Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:19:00 - [37] - Quote My favorite sign is when they try to brute force a camped chokepoint. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:50:00 - [38] - Quote It's simple for me: I look at the leaderboard. The opposing team has six or more members of the same corp? Yeah, ** you. I'll hog the redline with my charge sniper or something. If it's the beginning of the match, I'll be friendly enough to put a drop uplink somewhere, because the blueberries are guaranteed to not do that. On the other hand, a good sign of winning is when a team member is standing in front of your face and doing stupid ** while you are sniping with a constant stream of kills. I wasn't aware that it was possible to invade someone's private space in a videogame, but this opened my eyes.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 679	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:24:00 - [39] - Quote When I see this I do the smart thing. I don't quit. I find a tactical place for an uplink!....then I hide as my "team" refuses to utilize this advantage I have given them. In the end I have few (or no) unnecessary deaths, maybe a few spawn WPs, and an end game bonus of SP and ISK. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4081	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:26:00 - [40] - Quote Beamer 325 wrote: Your a disgrace! You should be the better man. I like getting the 600k payouts. Last night got 3000wp. Rest of team had 500wp or less. 700k isk payout. I NEVER leave a match no matter how bad it is. I take it as an imposible challenge. Logi's win wars. I'm an assault and you are irrelevant.

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 659	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:36:00 - [41] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? Neither. It is just a video game.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 377	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:08:00 - [42] - Quote When the entire team is in tanks and we still get cloned. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!! I specialize in ridiculousness.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 421	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:23:00 - [43] - Quote when I see no blue LAVs/dropships being called in at the start of a match, it usually is a pretty bad sign
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [44] - Quote When its hopeless i bring in what a lot of people hate... A Sent. with a duvolle . I waddle toward the biggest bunch of berries, shoot a couple for some attention and lead them toward the weakest links on the red side. Is that so hard? Thats what got me playing better and finally squading up. There is always a chance to win, even with the mcc 5 ticks away from doom... Adv. Commando, AR / swarm Adv. Sentinel, AR / HMG "I need More Ammo!!!"....."Medic!"
IVIaster LUKE 339	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:36:00 - [45] - Quote When CCP SCOTTY puts me in a match and it's 1vs 16. Me being the ONLY blue dot. One is a lonely number....... "The Sun shines on a dog's ass every once in awhile". ;)
Darirol Xarniic Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:54:00 - [46] - Quote so as a new player, can you explain me what winning is actually good for? my main goal as new player is getting as many skillpoints per week as possible and not running out of isk, so at some point i can use weapons and equipment that allows me to be usefull. (calling a militia tank may be "cheap", but if you end up with making 2 kills and 90 warpoints and have lost your tank there is a good chance that you have lost more isk then gained, we dont even talk about getting killed in a tank twice) i still have not completly discovered how skillpoints are distributed, but for isk it seems pretty clear. 1. win or lose seem to make no difference at all. 2. it seems like there is a fixed "pool" of isk given to both teams at the end of each game and that isk pool is divided between all players (mostly) depending on how many warpoints they made. an example example: i had a game were my team got stomped realy bad. i made like 200 warpoints thanks to a drop uplink within our own redline zone, while most of the other guys got 0 warpoints. we have lost that game with i think 0 kills (there were like 10 tanks at the redline border + lots of sniper somewhere). i made 340k isk in thise fight with 0 kills and 200 warpoints. the other side, i played in squad with some realy good people andthere was another squad in our team with realy good people. i made 1200 warpoints in this match, thats the best i ever got at that point. the problem was i was only #12 because everyone else made more warpoints. one dude got 3500 and the top player 4100 warpoints. i got 110k isk out of this match. those arethe 2 most extrem examples, but all my games so far tell me that this is the way isk are distributed. so if i would play for maximum isk i would not like that my team mates make as much warpoints as i do or even more. actually best would be if i would be the only one to make warpoints. (the best for maximum isk/game) skill distribution seems to work a bit different, the amount of skillpoints i get stands in no relation to the isk i get afterthe fight. i got fights with like 50 warpoints at the end ofthe match 15 losses 0 kills, game lost but 5000 skillpoints gained. that example above where i made 340k isk, i got something between 1000 and 2000 skillpoints out of that fight. i suspect that actual combat stats like damage taken and damage dealt and such stuff may play a role for skillpoints. the more i shoot and the more people shoot at me the more skillpoints. games where i used and lost multiple tanks were so far the games with most skillpoints. i cant tell if winning or loosing a game have any impact on skillpoints gained. so again. if i, as a new player, join a random game alone, why does it matter to me if we win or loose the game? (aside from the fact that i couldnt do **** the first weeks towards winning a game).
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2682	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:14:00 - [47] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? This is a highly competitive game, excluding everything else. So its not surprising that guys air out their frustrations about hapless blueberries. And lets be honest here, if you want to do the damnedest for your team, then maybe 12 deaths is the wrong way to do it. New Eden isn't the place to baby mercs. You either go hard or go home. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1080	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:56:00 - [48] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? This is a highly competitive game, excluding everything else. So its not surprising that guys air out their frustrations about hapless blueberries. And lets be honest here, if you want to do the damnedest for your team, then maybe 12 deaths is the wrong way to do it. New Eden isn't the place to baby mercs. You either go hard or go home. Or go afk *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 485	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:20:00 - [49] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. I've seen all of those "signs" and still won many games... You must be in a very... negative influence on your team because you give up. Well, you giving up is probably what constitutes to what you believe to be true because your inactivity could well cause the argument to become true. I've had 1,2,3,5, and 7 all in the same game several times and still won. It's usually idiots who rush the redline, so they are easily distracted while all the points get reclaimed. :/ 2 is just you whining about snipers. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1469	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:03:00 - [50] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: surely ccp has some kind of data that supports all this... not only that, but the game is fundamentally broken at its most basic design elements. you must reward the player for actively participating and provide an means of escape when things go wrong. wp dont count because you get them regardless of whether or not you do anything. thats broken sp dont count because you get that as well for doing nothing. thats broken isk dont count either when you get it for both losing and winning whether you contributed to that win or loss. thats broken nobody has any reason for trying to win a match that does not readily appear to be in their favor. new players hide in the redlines because they neither have the isk, or skills to contribute towards a win. which means that anyone being matched with a new player is already at a disadvantage. that leads to poor team moral, which leads to a team giving up. ccp needs to keep new players together. period. that way they will feelas though things are even. ccp also needs to provide a militia gear only mode and forcibly set everyone's sp skill level to 3 for the match. everybody gets the same gear to choose from, and everybody uses that gear at the same level of sp investment. this is what our public contract modes should have been done like The single most predictive variable for the matchmaker is players' historical rankings on the end-of-match board, with your ranking weighted by who you were fighting with and who you were fighting against. I support SP rollover.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1108	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:22:00 - [51] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. Pauses Dragons Dogma. For 1.7?? You forgot Prime 1: When the enemy has seven well fit tanks on the field and all we have in the way of AV is a single blueberry staring at a swarm launcher and wondering where the rounds get loaded. Vin Diesel voice: The first mistake was doing a log in to Dust 514 tank spam. The second mistake was selecting a loadout. The third mistake was selecting a game mode. Waiting for 1.8 Really waiting for a few games comeing out in a few weeks/ months. I.e. Dark Souls 2 Continues to play Dragons Dogma. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:29:00 - [52] - Quote Darirol Xarniic wrote: -snip- Your skillpoints are calculated through two things: - Your warpoints are directly transformed into skillpoints (Yes, that means that 100 WP will give you 100 SP) - Your playtime during the match adds to your SP - Longer matches grant you more SP As for ISK, I'm really not sure. I heard that the game gains more if the opposing team uses more expensive equipment or something. A while ago I made third place on the ranking with just 200,000 ISK. Which I also get when I'm in the middle of the leaderboard and even in the lower part I generally get around 150,000. It also seems to depend on time, as I only get 10,000 or so if I join an almost finished match.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1635	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:33:00 - [53] - Quote When I see I'm fighting for the State Protectorate. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:46:00 - [54] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. You no I look at your points and think that's a tank driver he's talking about they don't hack or drop equipment they might us a uplink but that's like so far away so they can safely call in a tank not help the team. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:50:00 - [55] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. I've seen all of those "signs" and still won many games... You must be in a very... negative influence on your team because you give up. Well, you giving up is probably what constitutes to what you believe to be true because your inactivity could well cause the argument to become true. I've had 1,2,3,5, and 7 all in the same game several times and still won. It's usually idiots who rush the redline, so they are easily distracted while all the points get reclaimed. :/ 2 is just you whining about snipers. Same hereiv joined a game and the other side has all letters yet with uplink and full squads we turned it around and won. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 327	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:00:00 - [56] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? what were the other 12 retards doing? surely 12 people can hack a letter and remove equipment when there are 4 super tanks rampaging on the SINGLE objective? id say my favorite and almost definate sign you will lose is when your team deploys drop uplinks at the redline base and cru's.
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:41:00 - [57] - Quote Zero AV on the field even after the enemy has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will be tank spamming you for the next fifteen minutes. I mean, seriously. Three forge guns on the field will knock off all vehicles within reason,is it so much to ask? Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:44:00 - [58] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Zero AV on the field even after the enemy has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will be tank spamming you for the next fifteen minutes. I mean, seriously. Three forge guns on the field will knock off all vehicles within reason,is it so much to ask? Yes, because a Forge Gun requires you to skill into Amarr heavy. And if you only got the basic version, you will pay twice as much than for the specialization. Remember: There is no mlt heavy.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4508	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:44:00 - [59] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: *** FW Special: When your blue dot tries to shoot through you or walks right into your line of Fire. And they ALWAYS hit punish. Some of them even open up Team Chat and start raging at you after they walk right into your line of fire while you're shooting. I mean, what if that was an enemy shooting? If you see bullets and feel an urge to walk into them, I think you need some serious help. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 554	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:50:00 - [60] - Quote Lol I ain't eva scared! I'll still get first place, on both teams, and I'll make a million ISK off the pub match too! Newb

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 937	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:57:00 - [61] - Quote I try to make sure my Suicide Squadron members, essentially a bunch of newbies, know some of these things like the uplinks. If anything, they should be placing down STD uplinks and trying to take points. And yeah, I just got into a battle like that yesterday...Didn't give up for sure ignorance in thinking that my team was doing something important during the first few moments on the map...I mean we DID win but I tried to give them credit when it wasn't due. I ended up going negative I believe, or barely positive just to get that win. I did get 300,000k+ but that just evened out the cost of all my equipment... "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 133	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:23:00 - [62] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. 9) when you have anyone from Factional Warfare Army on your side.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 947	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:27:00 - [63] - Quote I need only one reason: When playing Domination, you are the only one dropping uplinks in the whole time of the battle. Well, doesn't usually take the 'whole time' to see that yes, we are indeed going to lose. It's so fun to run/drive back to the objective from the spawn, giving the enemy time to reinforve the positions near objective. Smeehf.
CUBS UNbanned Alt 19	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:29:00 - [64] - Quote You fight for the rebels and the Shoeshiners Union local 187 is on the other side.... the Warbarge doesn't provide hints, it shows the immediate future. Amarr (W) Rebel Scum (L..imprisoned...bakes fresh bread) Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 212	Posted - 2014.01.21 14:39:00 - [65] - Quote - Camps the perimeter of obj but makes no effort to capture. - Team starts bunching together in a nice orbital sized area. - All the objectives that were ever blue at some point were the result of me and maybe one other person. - "Guarding/Camping" a few meters from an objective that is flashing blue. Saw all four of those in one match and have Micheal Arck msg calling me shitstain and was the reason that the team was losing for deciding to protect my wallet by "running laps" in the MCC. The team got cloned so I'm pretty sure I was helping.
Zelorian Dexter snr Nex Miles Militis 169	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:16:00 - [66] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Lol, 3 would be a sign you might win. Push the forward points quick and the rear point takes care of itself. This can work well especially in manis peak. DS a whole squad to the letter closest to there red line. This will normally throw them into chaos. It always brings a smile to my face to see there reaction as the sound of 6 dampners 6 thuds and all hell breaking loose around them rings in there ears.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 448	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:47:00 - [67] - Quote When everyone on the other team is running an active scanner, removing the need for any skill but "follow the red dot through the wall and shoot when he comes out." Here you can type your bio.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 174	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:18:00 - [68] - Quote You start off the match with 6 or 7 of the team heading to the city. You get to the city, drop an uplink and hack a letter. Then you realize that you're the only person in the city from your team. The blues stopped off to hack turrets.


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