DUST Search - the hints you seek that tell you that your team will lose

DeathwindRising wrote:

surely ccp has some kind of data that supports all this... not only that, but the game is fundamentally broken at its most basic design elements. you must reward the player for actively participating and provide an means of escape when things go wrong.

wp dont count because you get them regardless of whether or not you do anything. thats broken

sp dont count because you get that as well for doing nothing. thats broken

isk dont count either when you get it for both losing and winning whether you contributed to that win or loss. thats broken

nobody has any reason for trying to win a match that does not readily appear to be in their favor.

new players hide in the redlines because they neither have the isk, or skills to contribute towards a win. which means that anyone being matched with a new player is already at a disadvantage. that leads to poor team moral, which leads to a team giving up.

ccp needs to keep new players together. period. that way they will feelas though things are even.

ccp also needs to provide a militia gear only mode and forcibly set everyone's sp skill level to 3 for the match. everybody gets the same gear to choose from, and everybody uses that gear at the same level of sp investment. this is what our public contract modes should have been done like

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Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:16:00 - [31] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Dheez wrote: When everybody else is so obsessed with KDR statistics and how to raise theirs. Well you can't win if you can't kill the enemy. You kind of can, I mean you have to kill some of them, but in the objective games the winning team often has more deaths.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:25:00 - [32] - Quote I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4080	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:26:00 - [33] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. The second I see one of these three is an instant quit.
Beamer 325 Hellstorm Incorporation 6	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:04:00 - [34] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. The second I see one of these three is an instant quit. Your a disgrace! You should be the better man. I like getting the 600k payouts. Last night got 3000wp. Rest of team had 500wp or less. 700k isk payout. I NEVER leave a match no matter how bad it is. I take it as an imposible challenge. Logi's win wars.
sira draco Ancient Erectiles 33	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 - [35] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. sounds like caldari FW

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 962	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:13:00 - [36] - Quote When you get into a match with only 10% armor left on the MCC. /c DUSTBoard DUSTSearch DUST Server Status

Blaze Ashra DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:19:00 - [37] - Quote My favorite sign is when they try to brute force a camped chokepoint. ADS Pilot/Amarr Loyalist/Logi/WP Whore
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:50:00 - [38] - Quote It's simple for me: I look at the leaderboard. The opposing team has six or more members of the same corp? Yeah, ** you. I'll hog the redline with my charge sniper or something. If it's the beginning of the match, I'll be friendly enough to put a drop uplink somewhere, because the blueberries are guaranteed to not do that. On the other hand, a good sign of winning is when a team member is standing in front of your face and doing stupid ** while you are sniping with a constant stream of kills. I wasn't aware that it was possible to invade someone's private space in a videogame, but this opened my eyes.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 679	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:24:00 - [39] - Quote When I see this I do the smart thing. I don't quit. I find a tactical place for an uplink!....then I hide as my "team" refuses to utilize this advantage I have given them. In the end I have few (or no) unnecessary deaths, maybe a few spawn WPs, and an end game bonus of SP and ISK. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4081	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:26:00 - [40] - Quote Beamer 325 wrote: Your a disgrace! You should be the better man. I like getting the 600k payouts. Last night got 3000wp. Rest of team had 500wp or less. 700k isk payout. I NEVER leave a match no matter how bad it is. I take it as an imposible challenge. Logi's win wars. I'm an assault and you are irrelevant.

soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 659	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:36:00 - [41] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? Neither. It is just a video game.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 377	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:08:00 - [42] - Quote When the entire team is in tanks and we still get cloned. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!! I specialize in ridiculousness.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 421	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:23:00 - [43] - Quote when I see no blue LAVs/dropships being called in at the start of a match, it usually is a pretty bad sign
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [44] - Quote When its hopeless i bring in what a lot of people hate... A Sent. with a duvolle . I waddle toward the biggest bunch of berries, shoot a couple for some attention and lead them toward the weakest links on the red side. Is that so hard? Thats what got me playing better and finally squading up. There is always a chance to win, even with the mcc 5 ticks away from doom... Adv. Commando, AR / swarm Adv. Sentinel, AR / HMG "I need More Ammo!!!"....."Medic!"
IVIaster LUKE 339	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:36:00 - [45] - Quote When CCP SCOTTY puts me in a match and it's 1vs 16. Me being the ONLY blue dot. One is a lonely number....... "The Sun shines on a dog's ass every once in awhile". ;)
Darirol Xarniic Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:54:00 - [46] - Quote so as a new player, can you explain me what winning is actually good for? my main goal as new player is getting as many skillpoints per week as possible and not running out of isk, so at some point i can use weapons and equipment that allows me to be usefull. (calling a militia tank may be "cheap", but if you end up with making 2 kills and 90 warpoints and have lost your tank there is a good chance that you have lost more isk then gained, we dont even talk about getting killed in a tank twice) i still have not completly discovered how skillpoints are distributed, but for isk it seems pretty clear. 1. win or lose seem to make no difference at all. 2. it seems like there is a fixed "pool" of isk given to both teams at the end of each game and that isk pool is divided between all players (mostly) depending on how many warpoints they made. an example example: i had a game were my team got stomped realy bad. i made like 200 warpoints thanks to a drop uplink within our own redline zone, while most of the other guys got 0 warpoints. we have lost that game with i think 0 kills (there were like 10 tanks at the redline border + lots of sniper somewhere). i made 340k isk in thise fight with 0 kills and 200 warpoints. the other side, i played in squad with some realy good people andthere was another squad in our team with realy good people. i made 1200 warpoints in this match, thats the best i ever got at that point. the problem was i was only #12 because everyone else made more warpoints. one dude got 3500 and the top player 4100 warpoints. i got 110k isk out of this match. those arethe 2 most extrem examples, but all my games so far tell me that this is the way isk are distributed. so if i would play for maximum isk i would not like that my team mates make as much warpoints as i do or even more. actually best would be if i would be the only one to make warpoints. (the best for maximum isk/game) skill distribution seems to work a bit different, the amount of skillpoints i get stands in no relation to the isk i get afterthe fight. i got fights with like 50 warpoints at the end ofthe match 15 losses 0 kills, game lost but 5000 skillpoints gained. that example above where i made 340k isk, i got something between 1000 and 2000 skillpoints out of that fight. i suspect that actual combat stats like damage taken and damage dealt and such stuff may play a role for skillpoints. the more i shoot and the more people shoot at me the more skillpoints. games where i used and lost multiple tanks were so far the games with most skillpoints. i cant tell if winning or loosing a game have any impact on skillpoints gained. so again. if i, as a new player, join a random game alone, why does it matter to me if we win or loose the game? (aside from the fact that i couldnt do **** the first weeks towards winning a game).
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2682	Posted - 2014.01.20 23:14:00 - [47] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? This is a highly competitive game, excluding everything else. So its not surprising that guys air out their frustrations about hapless blueberries. And lets be honest here, if you want to do the damnedest for your team, then maybe 12 deaths is the wrong way to do it. New Eden isn't the place to baby mercs. You either go hard or go home. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1080	Posted - 2014.01.21 02:56:00 - [48] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? This is a highly competitive game, excluding everything else. So its not surprising that guys air out their frustrations about hapless blueberries. And lets be honest here, if you want to do the damnedest for your team, then maybe 12 deaths is the wrong way to do it. New Eden isn't the place to baby mercs. You either go hard or go home. Or go afk *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 485	Posted - 2014.01.21 03:20:00 - [49] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. I've seen all of those "signs" and still won many games... You must be in a very... negative influence on your team because you give up. Well, you giving up is probably what constitutes to what you believe to be true because your inactivity could well cause the argument to become true. I've had 1,2,3,5, and 7 all in the same game several times and still won. It's usually idiots who rush the redline, so they are easily distracted while all the points get reclaimed. :/ 2 is just you whining about snipers. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1469	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:03:00 - [50] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: surely ccp has some kind of data that supports all this... not only that, but the game is fundamentally broken at its most basic design elements. you must reward the player for actively participating and provide an means of escape when things go wrong. wp dont count because you get them regardless of whether or not you do anything. thats broken sp dont count because you get that as well for doing nothing. thats broken isk dont count either when you get it for both losing and winning whether you contributed to that win or loss. thats broken nobody has any reason for trying to win a match that does not readily appear to be in their favor. new players hide in the redlines because they neither have the isk, or skills to contribute towards a win. which means that anyone being matched with a new player is already at a disadvantage. that leads to poor team moral, which leads to a team giving up. ccp needs to keep new players together. period. that way they will feelas though things are even. ccp also needs to provide a militia gear only mode and forcibly set everyone's sp skill level to 3 for the match. everybody gets the same gear to choose from, and everybody uses that gear at the same level of sp investment. this is what our public contract modes should have been done like The single most predictive variable for the matchmaker is players' historical rankings on the end-of-match board, with your ranking weighted by who you were fighting with and who you were fighting against. I support SP rollover.

Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1108	Posted - 2014.01.21 04:22:00 - [51] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. Pauses Dragons Dogma. For 1.7?? You forgot Prime 1: When the enemy has seven well fit tanks on the field and all we have in the way of AV is a single blueberry staring at a swarm launcher and wondering where the rounds get loaded. Vin Diesel voice: The first mistake was doing a log in to Dust 514 tank spam. The second mistake was selecting a loadout. The third mistake was selecting a game mode. Waiting for 1.8 Really waiting for a few games comeing out in a few weeks/ months. I.e. Dark Souls 2 Continues to play Dragons Dogma. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:29:00 - [52] - Quote Darirol Xarniic wrote: -snip- Your skillpoints are calculated through two things: - Your warpoints are directly transformed into skillpoints (Yes, that means that 100 WP will give you 100 SP) - Your playtime during the match adds to your SP - Longer matches grant you more SP As for ISK, I'm really not sure. I heard that the game gains more if the opposing team uses more expensive equipment or something. A while ago I made third place on the ranking with just 200,000 ISK. Which I also get when I'm in the middle of the leaderboard and even in the lower part I generally get around 150,000. It also seems to depend on time, as I only get 10,000 or so if I join an almost finished match.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1635	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:33:00 - [53] - Quote When I see I'm fighting for the State Protectorate. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:46:00 - [54] - Quote Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. You no I look at your points and think that's a tank driver he's talking about they don't hack or drop equipment they might us a uplink but that's like so far away so they can safely call in a tank not help the team. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 6	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:50:00 - [55] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Zekain K wrote: 1: when your team takes longer then 1 minute to get out of the red line at the start of a match. 2: when you see six blue pull out a sniper at the start of a match. 3. When your team completely ignores the first point. 4.when no one on your team has placed down Amy sort of equipment At the start. 5: when there are still no drop up links 5 minutes into the game. 6: when you try to pull off some sort of risky move, and only to be orbitaled for it because your team crowded around you. 7: when the enemy ranks are blitzing into your red line to get those extra few kills 8: when there are no squads on your team. When I see 3 or more of these signs, I just give up , and put my controller down. I've seen all of those "signs" and still won many games... You must be in a very... negative influence on your team because you give up. Well, you giving up is probably what constitutes to what you believe to be true because your inactivity could well cause the argument to become true. I've had 1,2,3,5, and 7 all in the same game several times and still won. It's usually idiots who rush the redline, so they are easily distracted while all the points get reclaimed. :/ 2 is just you whining about snipers. Same hereiv joined a game and the other side has all letters yet with uplink and full squads we turned it around and won. Defeat dose not exist to them that are willing.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 327	Posted - 2014.01.21 12:00:00 - [56] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: I see a lot of contempt and disdain thrown at new players or players that just aren't that skilled. I mean sometimes it is pretty funny what they do, but it isn't a sign of their character. I randomly squadded up with a 4 man squad running tanks in a Dom match. They each had over 2000 WP and lots of kills, yet we lost because they were busy racking up kills instead of doing what needed to be done which would have meant they died more and killed less. Which is more worthy of respect, the guy who went 0-12 doing his damnedest for his team, or this squad who couldn't be bothered? what were the other 12 retards doing? surely 12 people can hack a letter and remove equipment when there are 4 super tanks rampaging on the SINGLE objective? id say my favorite and almost definate sign you will lose is when your team deploys drop uplinks at the redline base and cru's.
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:41:00 - [57] - Quote Zero AV on the field even after the enemy has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will be tank spamming you for the next fifteen minutes. I mean, seriously. Three forge guns on the field will knock off all vehicles within reason,is it so much to ask? Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:44:00 - [58] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Zero AV on the field even after the enemy has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they will be tank spamming you for the next fifteen minutes. I mean, seriously. Three forge guns on the field will knock off all vehicles within reason,is it so much to ask? Yes, because a Forge Gun requires you to skill into Amarr heavy. And if you only got the basic version, you will pay twice as much than for the specialization. Remember: There is no mlt heavy.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4508	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:44:00 - [59] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: *** FW Special: When your blue dot tries to shoot through you or walks right into your line of Fire. And they ALWAYS hit punish. Some of them even open up Team Chat and start raging at you after they walk right into your line of fire while you're shooting. I mean, what if that was an enemy shooting? If you see bullets and feel an urge to walk into them, I think you need some serious help. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 554	Posted - 2014.01.21 13:50:00 - [60] - Quote Lol I ain't eva scared! I'll still get first place, on both teams, and I'll make a million ISK off the pub match too! Newb



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