DUST Search - Slight retweak to Commando racial skills

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

While I still believe damage bonuses are not a good bonus for the Commanos (thread here with alternate suggestion), if they are they need to retweak how the bonus applies. Currently, the following commandos have the bonus to the following weapons,

Amarr: Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle
Minmatar: Combat Rifle, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher (a Caldari weapon)
Caldari: Rail Gun, Sniper Rifle
Gallente: Assault Rifle

The Minmatar get a bonus towards a Caldari weapon because technically swarm launchers are explosives. Meanwhile, the Gallente commando gets no bonuses towards plasma cannons or shotguns because, even though they are both plasma weapons, neither are plasma - blaster.

Would it not be better if the racial bonuses were,

Amarr: 2% damage to Amarr weapons per level
Minmatar: 2% damage to Minmatar weapons per level
Caldari: 2% damage to Caldari weapons per level
Gallente: 2% damage to Gallente weapons per level

This is essentially the same thing but more appropriately associates weapons with the proper suit and doesn't leave any weapons behind.

And the general Bonus of commando which is "2% reload" needs to be changed.
This bonus is TOTALLY useless for Amarr weapons which almost never reload.

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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5547	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:44:00 - [1] - Quote While I still believe damage bonuses are not a good bonus for the Commanos (thread here with alternate suggestion), if they are they need to retweak how the bonus applies. Currently, the following commandos have the bonus to the following weapons, Amarr: Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle Minmatar: Combat Rifle, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher (a Caldari weapon) Caldari: Rail Gun, Sniper Rifle Gallente: Assault Rifle The Minmatar get a bonus towards a Caldari weapon because technically swarm launchers are explosives. Meanwhile, the Gallente commando gets no bonuses towards plasma cannons or shotguns because, even though they are both plasma weapons, neither are plasma - blaster. Would it not be better if the racial bonuses were, Amarr: 2% damage to Amarr weapons per level Minmatar: 2% damage to Minmatar weapons per level Caldari: 2% damage to Caldari weapons per level Gallente: 2% damage to Gallente weapons per level This is essentially the same thing but more appropriately associates weapons with the proper suit and doesn't leave any weapons behind. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1232	Posted - 2014.01.26 20:12:00 - [2] - Quote +1, get your damn dirty minmatar hands off my swarm launcher. One quick thing to add, caldari and gallente shouldbe bonused towards alk hybrid weapons, so the caldari commando would be bonused for the Ar,, shotgun etc. and vice versa for the gallente commando. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Galthur Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 288	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:51:00 - [3] - Quote Are you serious? The current planned Gallente bonus makes the PLC slightly useful while your explanation doesn't even make sense as it is false lore wise and just seems as a way the hurt the already bad PLC. Get recruits for me, receive millions of ISK. Buying BPO Codes. [Forum Level: 8] [Scamming Level: 3]
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1143	Posted - 2014.01.26 21:54:00 - [4] - Quote the manufacturer of the weapon is what matters. also, the minmatar commonly use missiles and projectiles, so the bonus isn't nonsense. also, the damage bonus is necessary without the high-slots to make up for it.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 611	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:27:00 - [5] - Quote Galthur wrote: Are you serious? The current planned Gallente bonus makes the PLC slightly useful while your explanation doesn't even make sense as it is false lore wise and just seems as a way the hurt the already bad PLC. CCP has mentioned that the PLC is being looked at. The weapon needs a rework, not some -suit related bonus that does nothing to FIX the weapon. Never mind that the bonus proposed here actually benefits the "already bad PLC."
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5996	Posted - 2014.01.26 22:56:00 - [6] - Quote Galthur wrote: Are you serious? The current planned Gallente bonus makes the PLC slightly useful while your explanation doesn't even make sense as it is false lore wise and just seems as a way the hurt the already bad PLC. What are you talking about? The current planned Gallente Commando bonus does not cover the PLC, so it makes it no more useful than what it already is. Meanwhile, if they changed the bonus to how I described it, the PLC would be 10% stronger in the hands of a Gallente Commando. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1149	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:32:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Meanwhile, the Gallente commando gets no bonuses towards plasma cannons or shotguns because, even though they are both plasma weapons, neither are plasma - blaster. Links or it didn't happen. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8496	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:37:00 - [8] - Quote I'm pretty sure the plasma cannon and shotgun do get counted as "blaster", even if they aren't really blasters in lore (which I don't know if they aren't, maybe they are). The swarm launcher thing is pretty odd though. Too bad there isn't a "missile" category to keep Minmatar and Caldari tech separate for easy categorization. Race and damage type really should be in weapon attributes. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3198	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:43:00 - [9] - Quote +1 100% agree Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // C.E.O of Alpha Response Command A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 231	Posted - 2014.01.26 23:56:00 - [10] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: +1, get your damn dirty minmatar hands off my swarm launcher. One quick thing to add, caldari and gallente shouldbe bonused towards alk hybrid weapons, so the caldari commando would be bonused for the Ar,, shotgun etc. and vice versa for the gallente commando. Snatches Swarm Launcher Gallente filth, keeps you hand off MY swarm launcher. Have some common tech, next thing it's theirs too.

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1235	Posted - 2014.01.27 05:29:00 - [11] - Quote low genius wrote: the manufacturer of the weapon is what matters. also, the minmatar commonly use missiles and projectiles, so the bonus isn't nonsense. also, the damage bonus is necessary without the high-slots to make up for it. Do you see how much you contradict yourself? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1235	Posted - 2014.01.27 05:31:00 - [12] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: +1, get your damn dirty minmatar hands off my swarm launcher. One quick thing to add, caldari and gallente shouldbe bonused towards alk hybrid weapons, so the caldari commando would be bonused for the Ar,, shotgun etc. and vice versa for the gallente commando. Snatches Swarm Launcher Gallente filth, keeps you hand off MY swarm launcher. Have some common tech, next thing it's theirs too. Stupid caldari bitting the hand that's feeding them, you make your race look bad. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1143	Posted - 2014.01.27 05:44:00 - [13] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: low genius wrote: the manufacturer of the weapon is what matters. also, the minmatar commonly use missiles and projectiles, so the bonus isn't nonsense. also, the damage bonus is necessary without the high-slots to make up for it. Do you see how much you contradict yourself? maybe the manufacturer doesn't matter to you, but in the grand scheme of things (and no time soon) it will strangely matter.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1235	Posted - 2014.01.27 05:56:00 - [14] - Quote low genius wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: low genius wrote: the manufacturer of the weapon is what matters. also, the minmatar commonly use missiles and projectiles, so the bonus isn't nonsense. also, the damage bonus is necessary without the high-slots to make up for it. Do you see how much you contradict yourself? maybe the manufacturer doesn't matter to you, but in the grand scheme of things (and no time soon) it will strangely matter. If you read my earlier post, you could that manufactureris what matters, which is why your minmatar/swarm launcher comment is pretty ironic. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6013	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:57:00 - [15] - Quote low genius wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: low genius wrote: the manufacturer of the weapon is what matters. also, the minmatar commonly use missiles and projectiles, so the bonus isn't nonsense. also, the damage bonus is necessary without the high-slots to make up for it. Do you see how much you contradict yourself? maybe the manufacturer doesn't matter to you, but in the grand scheme of things (and no time soon) it will strangely matter. Swarm Launchers are manufactured by Caldari corporations, not Minmatar corporations. That's why we have Wirykomi Swarm Launchers instead of Boundless Swarm Launchers, for example. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1097	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote Like, Like, Like! Amarr black ops bombers use missiles and bombs in EVE. Noone fits lasers on them. I think that there should be more versatile bonus for commandos. Rail bonus for caldari is not good enough. I agree that caldari and gallente should get a bonus to hybrid weaponry. Some pilots run blaster caldari ships in EVE. Front man for dust 514 is caldari assault with a blaster rifle. Finally: All commandos should get a bonus to swarm launchers! There are roles in EVE, such as the stealth bomber ships with bonuses to missile launchers. Swarm launcher is a missile launcher, and it does not matter really who manufactured it. Prepare for 1.8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPhISgw3I2w
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 194	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:12:00 - [17] - Quote Galthur wrote: Are you serious? The current planned Gallente bonus makes the PLC slightly useful while your explanation doesn't even make sense as it is false lore wise and just seems as a way the hurt the already bad PLC. Maybe you misunderstood the OP. If OP is right, that means Plasma Cannons aren't currently tagged as Hybrid - Plasma weapons, and then they wouldn't get any benefit from the Gallente Commando bonus. If the PLC tag was fixed, that would solve the problem. OPs suggestion solves the problem. There's nothing wrong lore wise with OPs suggestion. I do agree that Caldari and Gallente both should get bonuses to all Hybrid weapons (like in EVE) with differences in style i.e. a Hybrid Damage bonus (Gallente) vs. a Hybrid Range bonus (Caldari). As for Minmatar getting bonuses to explosive weapons, and the swarm launcher being Caldari, CCP should split weapon types and damage types and do them like they do in EVE. I've got some ideas for weapon types and damage types in DUST being like they are in EVEn. Weapon types would be Energy, Hybrid, and Projectile weapons, and Explosive weapons would be replaced with Missiles (Currently the handheld missile launchers are Swarm Launchers and Flaylocks). Damage types would be EM, Thermal, Kinetic, and Explosive. Numbers could be balanced so that overall weapon damage to shield and armor stays the same, but CCP would have more leeway and room for nerfs / buffs, and changes in general. Doing it the way they do in EVE, Minmatar could get a bonus to missile damage, (Swarm and Flaylock) or Explosive damage (Swarms or Flaylock loaded with explosive type ammo.) Hint: This also paves the way for damage type specific missiles. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 438	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:59:00 - [18] - Quote The plasma cannon and shotgun both fall under Hybrid - plasma. Proof here Also, the minmatar bonus to explosives makes sense a they use explosives. I'd change the Caldari bonus to affect both hybrid rails and explosive weapons. Edit: Also, Gallente should get bonuses to both hybrid blaster and rail weapons. We want cake and tea.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 361	Posted - 2014.01.27 17:04:00 - [19] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: While I still believe damage bonuses are not a good bonus for the Commanos (thread here with alternate suggestion), if they are they need to retweak how the bonus applies. Currently, the following commandos have the bonus to the following weapons, Amarr: Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle Minmatar: Combat Rifle, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher (a Caldari weapon) Caldari: Rail Gun, Sniper Rifle Gallente: Assault Rifle The Minmatar get a bonus towards a Caldari weapon because technically swarm launchers are explosives. Meanwhile, the Gallente commando gets no bonuses towards plasma cannons or shotguns because, even though they are both plasma weapons, neither are plasma - blaster. Would it not be better if the racial bonuses were, Amarr: 2% damage to Amarr weapons per level Minmatar: 2% damage to Minmatar weapons per level Caldari: 2% damage to Caldari weapons per level Gallente: 2% damage to Gallente weapons per level This is essentially the same thing but more appropriately associates weapons with the proper suit and doesn't leave any weapons behind. And the general Bonus of commando which is "2% reload" needs to be changed. This bonus is TOTALLY useless for Amarr weapons which almost never reload.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 438	Posted - 2014.01.27 17:10:00 - [20] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: While I still believe damage bonuses are not a good bonus for the Commanos (thread here with alternate suggestion), if they are they need to retweak how the bonus applies. Currently, the following commandos have the bonus to the following weapons, Amarr: Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle Minmatar: Combat Rifle, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher (a Caldari weapon) Caldari: Rail Gun, Sniper Rifle Gallente: Assault Rifle The Minmatar get a bonus towards a Caldari weapon because technically swarm launchers are explosives. Meanwhile, the Gallente commando gets no bonuses towards plasma cannons or shotguns because, even though they are both plasma weapons, neither are plasma - blaster. Would it not be better if the racial bonuses were, Amarr: 2% damage to Amarr weapons per level Minmatar: 2% damage to Minmatar weapons per level Caldari: 2% damage to Caldari weapons per level Gallente: 2% damage to Gallente weapons per level This is essentially the same thing but more appropriately associates weapons with the proper suit and doesn't leave any weapons behind. And the general Bonus of commando which is "2% reload" needs to be changed. This bonus is TOTALLY useless for Amarr weapons which almost never reload. 1. It's a 5% reduction to reload time, not 2%. 2. Laser turrets may not need to be reloaded often in eve. But, in dust, laser weapons need to be reloaded quite often. We want cake and tea.

ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 121	Posted - 2014.01.27 17:34:00 - [21] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: The plasma cannon and shotgun both fall under Hybrid - plasma. Proof here Also, the minmatar bonus to explosives makes sense a they use explosives. I'd change the Caldari bonus to affect both hybrid rails and explosive weapons. Edit: Also, Gallente should get bonuses to both hybrid blaster and rail weapons. Gallente Bonus is stated as working on light hybrid-blaster, not hybrid-plasma... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 438	Posted - 2014.01.27 18:19:00 - [22] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: The plasma cannon and shotgun both fall under Hybrid - plasma. Proof here Also, the minmatar bonus to explosives makes sense a they use explosives. I'd change the Caldari bonus to affect both hybrid rails and explosive weapons. Edit: Also, Gallente should get bonuses to both hybrid blaster and rail weapons. Gallente Bonus is stated as working on light hybrid-blaster, not hybrid-plasma... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread Plasma and blaster can be used interchangeably, so it doesn't really make much of a difference. The point is that the AR, PLC an shotgun all fall unto the same category and so will all gain the Gal Commando bonus. We want cake and tea.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1308	Posted - 2014.02.02 18:25:00 - [23] - Quote Back to the front page. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy


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