If I were you, I'd be even more scared of the Minmatar Commando than the Caldari Sentinel.

Here's a bit of theory crafting:

The Minmatar Commando has a +2% bonus to explosive weapons per level, giving a total of 10% extra damage at level 5 (Which is a free Complex Damage Modifier).

3 Complex Damage Mods will grant a total of 26.38% extra damage, plus the extra 10% from the bonus you receive, and an additional 15% extra damage you receive from Proficiency Level V.

That's a grand total of 51.38% additional damage.

Now keep in mind that Swarm Launchers have a +20% damage increased towards armored vehicles, making it a grand total of 71.38% additional damage.

Along with this, the Swarm Launcher AI almost always targets the weak spot of HAVs, which I assume gives a 20% damage boost as well.

That's a whopping 91.38% damage boost towards armored vehicles, and a 71.38% damage boost towards shielded vehicles.

So from my calculations:

2,526HP of damage per volley towards armored vehicles.

2,262HP of damage per volley towards shielded vehicles.

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Why else should you be afraid you ask? A Commando has 2 Light Weapon slots and high base HP, meaning a Minmatar Commando user can (and should) be carrying a Swarm Launcher AT ALL TIMES., while not requiring support from a squad for ammo like the Sentinels, as Commando drop-suits also have an equipment slot; and without sacrificing it's Anti-Infantry abilities.

Thought 1.6 was bad? At least then people actually had to go to a Supply Depot.

((This assumes that the Minmatar Commando will have at least 3 high slots at PRO, and the damage mod's stacking penalties were calculated using this tool here.))

Nice number crunching though I think you have one fatal flaw in you're idea, the swarms are Caldari so for you're plan to work you will need to use a Caldari suit. Though perhaps you are right because its explosive damage...

Failed to account for stacking penalties i would say a 50% if not less as everyone agrees damage mods need looking at

Shield mofo.

lolo, Atiim, swarms never hit the weak spot. Done the math, and they never hit it.

No, **** rocket launchers. I want a flak cannon to deal with DS's, and future air vehicles.

NO, the back is not the weak spot. There's a specific spot on the HAV's that's on the back that is the weak spot. They never hit it.

So what you're saying.. is we don't need to nerf HAVs? yay

CCP wolfman already said there was going to be changes to Damage mods so that TTK wouldn't be so low

Doesn't really. Walk me through how we're going to have these very good suits with high damage and such, You're going to need fully spec'd suits to do this sort of damage, no?

I'll still be strong due to my Hardeners, but will you wreck a hell of a lot faster now, which is good.

this is why I'm annoyed damage types were not included from the beginning. missiles should be coming in 4 flavors. Currently its a caldari weapon firing minmatar ammo when it should be a weapon all 4 races use with their specific ammo.

Is it just me or did this entire thread degrade into an argument over math?

if not carry on o7

There Atiim. You have your EZ mode OHK swarms again. Now stop complaining.

Why would I be afraid of Caldari sentinels? blaster and shields, rail and shields. nothing to fear.

As a vehicle guy, I fully support this. I would rather see the Heavy Frame and all of its variants become the king of AV, rather than nerf vehicles back down to where mere medium and light frames terrorize us constantly