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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Dustbunny Durrr wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

How is this even a point? If you are doing a count of "free modules each scout suit gets, it goes like this:

Effectively free modules through bonuses;
Minmatar : 5 (4 proto 1 basic)
Gallente: 3 (1 proto, 1 adv, 1 basic)
Caldari : 3 (1 proto, 2 basic)
Amarr:: 1 (1 militia)

This is not in ANY way balanced. This is of course not even considering that stamina is probably the least desirable (well maybe caldari's scan precision is worse) of all of the bonuses.

This is a thread for feedback, and here is mine:

Minmatar needs 2 less effective modules (-3 complex, +1 adv)
Amarr needs two more effective modules (+1 complex, +1 adv)
Caldari needs a slight bump (-1 basci, +1 adv)

Honestly Nova Knives are such a niche that the damage bonus can be overlooked by most suits. The hacking bonus is very nice, and might be more equal at 4% per level, and base 1.05 (rather than 1.1). Keep in mind, Minmatar have 60 HP less health than Amarr scouts, so you could argue that to "equalize" they would need to spend a slot on a basic armor mod.

You do bring up a good point about the amarr vs gallente scout suits I think. Its far easier to make a gallente better than an amarr in all areas of gameplay than vice versa. A higher (7.5% per level?) bonus might be needed for the amarr scout, along with perhaps a bit more base HP.

Excluding the amarr scout, am really liking the changes though.

No, minmatar trade HP for speed, stamina, and stamina recovery. This is a well established design philosophy from CCP.

I must have edited after you quoted, but here is what I think.

Minmatar- +2% sidearm damage per lvl (comes out to 1 free complex dmg mod)
+3% hacking speed per lvl (comes out to an advance dmod)
(the inate +5% hacking speed bonus then is the basic mod)

Gallente: are fine, leave them alone

Caldari: +5% dropsuit scan rdius per lvl (unchanged, basic mod equivalent)
+ 7% scan precision per lvl (complex and adv)

Amarr : + 20% stamina/stamina recovery per lvl (makes 1 complex module)
??? +17 armor HP/lvl (this would make 1 basic and 1 adv ferroscale)

I am not sure about the second amarrian one, I am open to suggestions.

This would equalize the amount of "free" modules per suit.

The minmatar would still be the best for infiltration work, the gallente for recon, the caldari for assasin, and the amarr as a front-line scout.


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pseudosnipre 551	Posted - 2014.01.17 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Ruthless Lee wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: The minmatar scout is downright ridiculous. Minmatar get : 31.5 bonus to hacking speed (suit bonus and higher base suit value) 25% extra damage This is equivalent to more than 3 complex damage mods along with 1 free complex code-breaker and 1 free basic code breaker. Yep, *5 FREE MODULES* This is absolutely overpowered. THERE WE GO! First 'scouts are OP' post for 1.8 ... we have a winner Did I say that? Did I say "scouts are overpowered'? Or did I just say that the minmatar scout is overpowered? I think the caldari/gallente scouts might be ok, the amarr scout is lol, and the minmatar scout is wtfomg. I explained why that is, the minmatar suits have basically 5 free modules (4 proto type 1 basic). This is pretty obvious stuff here, and I am just throwing it out there so I can say "I told you so" in 2 months, just like with tanks. All the bonuses are only effective within a range of two meters... maybe keep your panties on and dont let them near you or your precious objectives? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
pseudosnipre 558	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:31:00 - [2] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: How is this even a point? If you are doing a count of "free modules each scout suit gets, it goes like this: Effectively free modules through bonuses; Minmatar : 5 (4 proto 1 basic) Gallente: 3 (1 proto, 1 adv, 1 basic) Caldari : 3 (1 proto, 2 basic) Amarr:: 1 (1 militia) This is not in ANY way balanced. This is of course not even considering that stamina is probably the least desirable (well maybe caldari's scan precision is worse) of all of the bonuses. This is a thread for feedback, and here is mine: Minmatar needs 2 less effective modules (-3 complex, +1 adv) Amarr needs two more effective modules (+1 complex, +1 adv) Caldari needs a slight bump (-1 basci, +1 adv) Honestly Nova Knives are such a niche that the damage bonus can be overlooked by most suits. The hacking bonus is very nice, and might be more equal at 4% per level, and base 1.05 (rather than 1.1). Keep in mind, Minmatar have 60 HP less health than Amarr scouts, so you could argue that to "equalize" they would need to spend a slot on a basic armor mod. You do bring up a good point about the amarr vs gallente scout suits I think. Its far easier to make a gallente better than an amarr in all areas of gameplay than vice versa. A higher (7.5% per level?) bonus might be needed for the amarr scout, along with perhaps a bit more base HP. Excluding the amarr scout, am really liking the changes though. No, minmatar trade HP for speed, stamina, and stamina recovery. This is a well established design philosophy from CCP. I must have edited after you quoted, but here is what I think. Minmatar- +2% sidearm damage per lvl (comes out to 1 free complex dmg mod) +3% hacking speed per lvl (comes out to an advance dmod) (the inate +5% hacking speed bonus then is the basic mod) Gallente: are fine, leave them alone Caldari: +5% dropsuit scan rdius per lvl (unchanged, basic mod equivalent) + 7% scan precision per lvl (complex and adv) Amarr : + 20% stamina/stamina recovery per lvl (makes 1 complex module) ??? +17 armor HP/lvl (this would make 1 basic and 1 adv ferroscale) I am not sure about the second amarrian one, I am open to suggestions. This would equalize the amount of "free" modules per suit. The minmatar would still be the best for infiltration work, the gallente for recon, the caldari for assasin, and the amarr as a front-line scout. I don't recognize your name from the scout registry thread...but I do recognize most of the changes being very close to what was suggested in that thread. Gal/Min scouts got excellent buffs based on a full year of field use. Cal/Amr scouts are brand new and, although I'm excited to skill into them, I have no idea how I will exploit their stats and use the cloak to extract your tears...but extracted they shall be. On a side note, how many nova knife kills have you earned thus far for the Operation Shinobi event? Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.