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Thrydwulf Khodan
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.02.03 19:03:00 -
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Scout Feedback:
TL;DR
Having 2E slots for all the scout suits impacts the current Logi suits. Most notably the Amarr and Caldari Logi Suits that as a baseline only have 2E.
Long version:
2E slots on the new Scouts place the current Logi suits into a difficult position. Scouts will now have as many Equipment slots as Basic and Advanced Caldari Logi and Amarr Logi suits.
So, entry level scout suits get 2E, and get a minor hacking bonus and get better stealth bonuses. And a sidearm weapon. Can someone please explain to me why as an Amarr or Caldari dropsuit user one would use the current (or even rumored) Caldari or Amarr logi suits when given this new scout suit as an option?
Equipment slots are what give Logis their benefits.
To put this in perspective: Previously, there were only three other suits that had more than 1 equipment slots that were not 'Logi' suits:
Skinweave' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame
Balac's Modified Assault ck.0
Fossil' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame |
Thrydwulf Khodan
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:49:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Well, you can always refill equipment at a Supply Depot. But overall it sounds like these changes will encourage Logis to think carefully about where to place equipment instead of just spamming it everywhere. Not sure that's really a bad thing.
No, this is likely to increase Drop-Uplink and Nano-hive spam due to the decrease in effectiveness.
If the tools are 33% less effective unless you spec into (and use) the affiliated Logistics dropsuit you'll need more crud on the ground to make up for the difference.
There just aren't enough Supply Depots available for all of the suit changes I'd need to run logi support for the squad.
Amarr for drop uplink, Minmatar when I'm repping ... wait we need someone to scan ... gimme a minute I need my Gallente ... you're out of Nanohives? I'll be right back ... I need to get my Caldari suit.
So ... as a Logi, I now need to spec into All Four of the Logi suits to be as efficient as I am presently.
Yeahhh. There's another SP grind for you. 
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Thrydwulf Khodan
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.02.25 11:14:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:Thrydwulf Khodan wrote:Amarr for drop uplink, Minmatar when I'm repping ... wait we need someone to scan ... gimme a minute I need my Gallente ... you're out of Nanohives? I'll be right back ... I need to get my Caldari suit. So ... as a Logi, I now need to spec into All Four of the Logi suits to be as efficient as I am presently.Yeahhh. There's another SP grind for you. Well there's the problem, you aren't really meant to be as efficient as you are presently. You're supposed to be specialized heavily into one specific role, then perform sufficiently at other roles. I think that's the main idea here. Pick a role you want to be the absolute best at, then spec into that. You trade versatility for specialization.
I did pick the role I want to be the best at.I'm a Logibro.
Let's use logic here. What if I told you that you're "not meant to be as efficient as you are" Let's say you skilled into a couple weapons to level 5. And you chose a suit and skilled into that. And suddenly all of your weapons are modified to do 33% less damage ... Unless you skill into a special suit. To level 5. For each of your weapons. If you're not in that drop suit your efficiency at killing is now down. Your grenades? 33% less efficient because you chose the wrong suit ... So it didn't kill the standard fit assault redberry. You're now dead.
As a logibro it is my job to do the 4R's for my team. Rep/Rez/resupply/Rally and occasionally Scan if needed.
To do each of the required roles as a logibro efficiently I need to skill into one each of four different suits to proto level. And as the flow of battle unfolds I need to swap those suits out to best take care of my team.
You just need one weapon to shoot someone. I need FOUR (4) and sometimes 5 pieces of equipment to support the team.
Minmatar having a hacking bonus is flavor. Gallente getting a bonus to equipment fitting is flavor. Amarr having a sidearm is flavor. This isn't flavor. It is a required sp grind to maintain current efficiency in one of the 5 baseline functions as a logibro. Logi suits aren't just flavor on their differences. It's now a performance edge. And to keep that performance in my chosen role I now need to skill into 4 different suits to proto level. It is a chunk of skill points for one suit. Much less four. |
Thrydwulf Khodan
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.02.25 17:15:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Bad example. I'm sure those swarm users and av grenade users feel even worse then you will currently. The only equipment changes I fully support are the scanner and uplink spawn time ones. Those both needed changes.
Alternatives exist for anti A/V weapons. Vehicles were buffed substantially.
Did Swarm and A/V grenades loose 33% effectiveness and require specing into a new drop suit to get it back?
Each of the racial logistics suits require 2.76 mil SP to get to proto. For the logibro that support you you are asking them to put 11.04mil SP into suits to provide the same level of support from equipment that you get now? And that is before the other needed items like armor skills. Each of the tool skills require nearly 933k sp alone. 4.6mil sp to get to proto for all of them. And that they will be using the suits situationally.
The additional 8mil sp requirement just for suits ... that seems like a pretty brutal grind to me.
I could see an advanced branch of the operation skill being needed to return functionality...(ie repair tool Ops -> advanced repair tool ops (requires 5 in repair tool) but requiring new suits is pretty cringe inducing. |
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