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Requin Toblat
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:13:00 -
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Great work by all involved. This needs to be stickied on the forums and definitely linked in game somehow as Mountain Doody has said above.
Hope once the suits & weapons currently on SiSi are deployed this gets updated quicker than the official manual has been in the past |
Mountain Doody
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:36:00 -
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Suggestions: Add to grenades section: Grenades' fuse time is long enough that they are fairly easily avoidable. Improve your chances of a kill by cooking the grenade - hold the grenade button for a second or two before throwing it and your enemy will have less time to react.
Under 'Staying ISK Positive' this is a little confusing:Quote:Say you lose 5 suits each worth 10.000ISK (10k ISK) in a game then your total loss for that game is 50k, if you win 100k for that match then you have just netted 50k isk making you richer than you were before the match!
ThereGÇÖs always the risk that you waste an expensive fitting, which can easily cost more than 100k each, one time too many and only gain 200k in a match. Maybe something like: "On the other hand. there's always the risk that you lose more expensive fits. After two losses of a 100k suit, a 200k battle reward puts you right where you started."
Also I suggest, title the document according to the most recent patch, and add a revision suffix, like NewPlayersGuidetoDUST514-v1.7.a.pdf
Advantages: The content at a particular URL wouldn't change (it's considered good practice to keep the same information at the same URL) The URL or filename itself makes it obvious how recent the information is.
I would also like to see some further information on vehicle upgrades skills. Is it worth getting advanced or proto turrets? In what situations? |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:16:00 -
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Nice work indeed
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Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:30:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:Hello, my name is Musta Tornius and I've with the help of several fellow DUST Mercenaries, been working on a guide for the newer players of our community. DUST 514 can be quite a daunting FPS game when you first try it out, and most likely quite overwhelming. Hopefully the basic knowledge you need to enjoy DUST can be found in the guide. It's not meant to be comprehensive guide on every little aspect of DUST, but it does aim to give you the knowledge you need to get going! The guide will be updated every now and then when it's no longer accurate and things have changed. Feel free to post suggestions in this thread on what you'd like to see included or changed. Any inaccuracies reported will be graciously received. Thank you guys that helped me make this guide possible, especially JasonPearson, Grit Breather, Heinz, Argo Filch, G Torq, CCP Saberwing & CCP Frame and anyone else I've forgotten! The pdf can be found here on CCPs very own servers: New Players Guide to DUST 514PS! If you are going to bookmark it, I recommend bookmarking this thread rather than the pdf file as the URL might change with future iterations. Last Update: 17.1.2014
First off, my hats off to you for taking the time to actually make something like this. It looks great and tries to give a new player information.
Now the bad parts... it's got many incorrect statements as well as improper terminologies throughout the document. So many that it will cause lots of confusion really. I've only skimmed it for all of 5 minutes so far, but I don't see how you conclude that the Amarr Race uses both armor AND shield? And Caldari don't just use Railguns, they use missiles too. Seriously, this document has a lot of inconsistencies with the game.
But in the end it is better than nothing and looks good for a first attempt.
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
988
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:31:00 -
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Requin Toblat wrote:Great work by all involved. This needs to be stickied on the forums and definitely linked in game somehow as Mountain Doody has said above.
Hope once the suits & weapons currently on SiSi are deployed this gets updated quicker than the official manual has been in the past
well that is only dependent on how much spare time I have. i'll prolly have a new version up a week after patch at latest!
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:39:00 -
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Mountain Doody wrote:Suggestions: Add to grenades section: Grenades' fuse time is long enough that they are fairly easily avoidable. Improve your chances of a kill by cooking the grenade - hold the grenade button for a second or two before throwing it and your enemy will have less time to react. Under 'Staying ISK Positive' this is a little confusing: Quote:Say you lose 5 suits each worth 10.000ISK (10k ISK) in a game then your total loss for that game is 50k, if you win 100k for that match then you have just netted 50k isk making you richer than you were before the match!
ThereGÇÖs always the risk that you waste an expensive fitting, which can easily cost more than 100k each, one time too many and only gain 200k in a match. Maybe something like: "On the other hand. there's always the risk that you lose more expensive fits. After two losses of a 100k suit, a 200k battle reward puts you right where you started." Also I suggest, title the document according to the most recent patch, and add a revision suffix, like NewPlayersGuidetoDUST514-v1.7.a.pdf Advantages: The content at a particular URL wouldn't change (it's considered good practice to keep the same information at the same URL) The URL or filename itself makes it obvious how recent the information is. I would also like to see some further information on vehicle upgrades skills. Is it worth getting advanced or proto turrets? In what situations?
All good stuff, I'll add it to the todo list.
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:45:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:Hello, my name is Musta Tornius and I've with the help of several fellow DUST Mercenaries, been working on a guide for the newer players of our community. DUST 514 can be quite a daunting FPS game when you first try it out, and most likely quite overwhelming. Hopefully the basic knowledge you need to enjoy DUST can be found in the guide. It's not meant to be comprehensive guide on every little aspect of DUST, but it does aim to give you the knowledge you need to get going! The guide will be updated every now and then when it's no longer accurate and things have changed. Feel free to post suggestions in this thread on what you'd like to see included or changed. Any inaccuracies reported will be graciously received. Thank you guys that helped me make this guide possible, especially JasonPearson, Grit Breather, Heinz, Argo Filch, G Torq, CCP Saberwing & CCP Frame and anyone else I've forgotten! The pdf can be found here on CCPs very own servers: New Players Guide to DUST 514PS! If you are going to bookmark it, I recommend bookmarking this thread rather than the pdf file as the URL might change with future iterations. Last Update: 17.1.2014 First off, my hats off to you for taking the time to actually make something like this. It looks great and tries to give a new player information. Now the bad parts... it's got many incorrect statements as well as improper terminologies throughout the document. So many that it will cause lots of confusion really. I've only skimmed it for all of 5 minutes so far, but I don't see how you conclude that the Amarr Race uses both armor AND shield? And Caldari don't just use Railguns, they use missiles too. Seriously, this document has a lot of inconsistencies with the game. But in the end it is better than nothing and looks good for a first attempt.
/me puts on armour and wizard hat. Right, amarr currently has same hp for armour and shields hence dual tanking ( as well as slots for either option except in sentinel).
As for caldari infantry, they only have railguns (and swarms). tanks have missiles as well as railguns. feel free to do a bullet point list of what you consider factual fallacies and I'll check em over in time for the next update, cheers!
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
380
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:15:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:First off, my hats off to you for taking the time to actually make something like this. It looks great and tries to give a new player information.
Now the bad parts... it's got many incorrect statements as well as improper terminologies throughout the document. So many that it will cause lots of confusion really. I've only skimmed it for all of 5 minutes so far, but I don't see how you conclude that the Amarr Race uses both armor AND shield? And Caldari don't just use Railguns, they use missiles too. Seriously, this document has a lot of inconsistencies with the game.
But in the end it is better than nothing and looks good for a first attempt. Am glad to hear that you're volunteering to help work on the next version
Send a list of proposed changes, perhaps ask Musta for access to a copy you can attach comments directly to, and join us in #Dust-Dev on IRC to coordinate next steps.
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
380
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:25:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Hey, would you be interested in a video collaboration inspiried by this guide?
Basically just a video version of it, touching on some of the more important points. I have no recording equipment, editing software or skills worth mentioning ... but if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
989
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:27:00 -
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G Torq wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Hey, would you be interested in a video collaboration inspiried by this guide?
Basically just a video version of it, touching on some of the more important points. I have no recording equipment, editing software or skills worth mentioning ... but if there is anything I can do to help, let me know.
You really know how to sell yourself torq ._o
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.22 16:46:00 -
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As someone who's been here for a year and a half...
I NEED ALL THE HELP I CAN GET!
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
688
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Posted - 2014.01.23 10:49:00 -
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almost no info on scouts/light frames but other then that I say it's a very good read! +1
Scout Tactician
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.23 11:33:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:almost no info on scouts/light frames but other then that I say it's a very good read! +1
Something to add for the next version, with one eight there's gonna be quite a few changes so might hold off a week or two before doing it after the patch.
I guess I should get a work in progress version going. What I don't want to do is bloat the document with too much stuff. I like it to have what a newbro needs to get going, without having too much details, we all know how much there is to learn about DUST -_o
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:36:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:almost no info on scouts/light frames but other then that I say it's a very good read! +1 Something to add for the next version, with one eight there's gonna be quite a few changes so might hold off a week or two before doing it after the patch. I guess I should get a work in progress version going. What I don't want to do is bloat the document with too much stuff. I like it to have what a newbro needs to get going, without having too much details, we all know how much there is to learn about DUST -_o With that in mind I'd suggest compacting the 4 pages about light weapons and expanding the 3 lines about equipment.
I'd also re-order things a little ... I don't think Corporations and Squads should be an afterthought on page 34 in a game who's entire philosophy is built around teamwork > all ... I'd drop the Economics down a bit and put squads/corporations up near the top with the Game Types info. Reason being, people don't want to trawl through an entire 40 page guide before playing a battle ... so give them the basics first and let them come back for more when they realise 'hey that was some useful info, I wonder what else I can learn'.
So I'd give them a little reading on game types and how to join squads n corps ... then tell them to go try some battles in starter fits, but come back soon to learn a bit about how best to spend those skill points or isk or make different fittings or vehicles etc.
Great job though ... looks like you've put some time and effort in ... above is just my opinions on where you could go from here ... who knows, in 10 years you could be publishing a pamphlet version to be bundled in the DUST 514 Collectors Edition ! |
Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
1004
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Posted - 2014.01.24 15:39:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Musta Tornius wrote:ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:almost no info on scouts/light frames but other then that I say it's a very good read! +1 Something to add for the next version, with one eight there's gonna be quite a few changes so might hold off a week or two before doing it after the patch. I guess I should get a work in progress version going. What I don't want to do is bloat the document with too much stuff. I like it to have what a newbro needs to get going, without having too much details, we all know how much there is to learn about DUST -_o With that in mind I'd suggest compacting the 4 pages about light weapons and expanding the 3 lines about equipment. I'd also re-order things a little ... I don't think Corporations and Squads should be an afterthought on page 34 in a game who's entire philosophy is built around teamwork > all ... I'd drop the Economics down a bit and put squads/corporations up near the top with the Game Types info. Reason being, people don't want to trawl through an entire 40 page guide before playing a battle ... so give them the basics first and let them come back for more when they realise 'hey that was some useful info, I wonder what else I can learn'. So I'd give them a little reading on game types and how to join squads n corps ... then tell them to go try some battles in starter fits, but come back soon to learn a bit about how best to spend those skill points or isk or make different fittings or vehicles etc. Great job though ... looks like you've put some time and effort in ... above is just my opinions on where you could go from here ... who knows, in 10 years you could be publishing a pamphlet version to be bundled in the DUST 514 Collectors Edition !
Not really any decent way of lessening the page requirements of light weapons without shrinking the images which I was adviced not to do. I'm a step ahead of you with the equipment, my wip version has a much larger section on them!
I disagree with the ordering, the table of content works as links, so you can just press on the link that interests you rather than having to read through everything. I do believe new players won't try squads and definitely not corps as their first steps into learning a new game so I left it till a little later.
You can after all play this game solo with varying success. Economics is one of the core concepts of this game so I do believe it is the first subject to tackle.
Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate that you took the time to put your thoughts down!
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:14:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:almost no info on scouts/light frames but other then that I say it's a very good read! +1 Something to add for the next version, with one eight there's gonna be quite a few changes so might hold off a week or two before doing it after the patch. I guess I should get a work in progress version going. What I don't want to do is bloat the document with too much stuff. I like it to have what a newbro needs to get going, without having too much details, we all know how much there is to learn about DUST -_o
Yea I suppose you could fill a history book with DUST info lol.
BTW if you need help with scout info you could always ask the guys at R O N 1 N as they are a scout training corp.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
940
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Posted - 2014.01.31 05:10:00 -
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Is there a page titled - Give Up?
Could be quite useful. |
Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:36:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Is there a page titled - Give Up? Could be quite useful.
Pish posh, I'll leave it up to the players to figure it out for themselves if they want to play or not :) . Even when you're getting proto stomped the hardest there is nothing stopping you from grabbing that needle or militia assault rifle and learn something new.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:11:00 -
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Ah, people like you and fox make the rest of us look bad and we should feel bad. Strong work.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:46:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Ah, people like you and fox make the rest of us look bad and we should feel bad. Strong work.
Thank you very much, FoX Gaden has indeed got some very amazing guides written in the Rookie Section, I recommend you do a search for his posts in the rookie section to see what he has to offer!
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Scout Registry
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.02.01 03:08:00 -
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Nicely done, Sir! Hit us up @ The Scout Registry / Killboard should you ever have questions on/about/for Scouts. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.11 14:53:00 -
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I am supposed to be doing preelection coverage of the CPM1 candidates on The Council Chamber forum, but instead I am slacking of, sipping my coffee, nibbling my chocolate chip muffin, and thoroughly enjoying reading this guide.
It is light enough to make it an enjoyable read, while still managing to present a lot of information. I like how it takes a step back and introduces the broader game.
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.11 15:35:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I am supposed to be doing preelection coverage of the CPM1 candidates on The Council Chamber forum, but instead I am slacking of, sipping my coffee, nibbling my chocolate chip muffin, and thoroughly enjoying reading this guide.
It is light enough to make it an enjoyable read, while still managing to present a lot of information. I like how it takes a step back and introduces the broader game.
There should really be a copy of this guide in every Merc Quarters, allowing you to open the PDF in game.
Thank you very much Fox, I appreciate the kind words of a fellow guide maker! That is pretty much what I was aiming for when I created it, something easily digested but still covering what I considered essential.
Thanks for the feedback, too!
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:22:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:Thank you very much Fox, I appreciate the kind words of a fellow guide maker! That is pretty much what I was aiming for when I created it, something easily digested but still covering what I considered essential.
Thanks for the feedback, too! I am only on page 27. They feedback is still flowing.
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.11 21:09:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote: ... "Stick together with your teammates, go where the fighting is thick. Repair your buddiesGÇÖ armor, put uplinks down in a safe area near the fighting and pick up (nanite inject) friendlies who have been downed (when itGÇÖs somewhat clear, NOT when bullets are flying over the body). "
Add: GÇ£It is worth noting that the nanite injector is the only piece of equipment that can be used without switching from your weapon. Simple click the circle button when standing over an unconscious teammate and the nanite injector will activate.GÇ¥
Would rather say "Action Button" as players using "Duty Calls" will have to press square which is, for most PS3 gun games, the action button.
Fox Gaden wrote: Top of Page 36: "If youGÇÖre not in a squad when you join a match, and there are open squads with available spots in the match, then you will randomly be placed in one. It is up to you if you stay in the squad or leave it." (Is this true? I thought unsquaded people joining a match were placed in GÇ£No SquadGÇ¥.)
No, this isn't true and should be removed. Unless, of course, CCP decides to make it a feature in 1.8.
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.12 12:53:00 -
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Just a quick note, Fox regarding your dmg stacking calculations. Damage mods are multiplied together and not added.
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DJINN Nukem
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.12 22:03:00 -
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excellent write up Musta!!!
Trample The Weak Hurdle the Dead
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Croned
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Posted - 2014.02.13 06:48:00 -
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Still a few comma errors. I'll try to copyedit when I have the time.
Son of a plasma cannon!
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Musta Tornius
Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:11:00 -
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Croned wrote:Still a few comma errors. I'll try to copyedit when I have the time.
-_o a must unhelpful feedback post. Either help out or don't, either way is fine but for the love of god don't say you might or might not give feedback in the future.
If there was a dislike button I'd -10 your post right on the spot :)
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.02.16 22:24:00 -
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Musta Tornius wrote:Croned wrote:Still a few comma errors. I'll try to copyedit when I have the time. -_o a most unhelpful feedback post. Either help out or don't, either way is fine but for the love of god don't say you might or might not give feedback in the future. If there was a dislike button I'd -10 your post right on the spot :)
i might giv fedback l8r
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