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Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote After getting stomped by a clan in a public match one too many times today, I've been getting extremely frustrated with the fact that this game has no possible way of coordinating blueberries without a microphone. (And even the microphone is questionable because I'm not anglophone and I've heard more than enough of people telling me that my English pronounciation is incomprehensible) No, I will not invest money into a bluetooth headset for exactly one game. And I don't intend to get a USB adapter for mine, considering that I sit too far away for a wired headset. Anyway, there is plenty of whining about balance for this game. But many of issues - like the one of AV - would be instantly solved if I just had the option of talking to other players, instead of everyone running around and not knowing what the hell they are supposed to do when the enemy is starting to use HAVs. Why do I need to write a text message through multiple sub-menues to tell someone to get out of my dropship? Hell, what is a non-assault dropship even for when I can't coordinate a drop? And how the **** am I supposed to coordinate a two-pronged Swarmer attack on a HAV if I can't communicate? Killing a HAV isn't hard, even if they are literally immune to singular MLT launchers even without modules - What is hard is taking it down alone because you are mute. Yes, I know that there's a chat system in place. Too bad that it doesn't even notify me about new messages and also needs multiple seconds to open. I have a keyboard. Let me do what every FPS even in the last millenium allowed me to do: Press a button, type a message, confirm. And then show it on the screen of all players on my team. I need nothing more. There's only 16 players per side, so it should be plenty doable. Also, the removal of the barge before the battle just made this worse, because now you don't even have the downtime to squad up and talk a bit about your tactics. tl;dr Solve communication before you attempt balance.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1967	Posted - 2014.01.16 17:06:00 - [2] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: I have a keyboard. Let me do what every FPS even in the last millenium allowed me to do: Press a button, type a message, confirm. And then show it on the screen of all players on my team. I need nothing more. There's only 16 players per side, so it should be plenty doable. That would not be the worst idea ever. Though just to play devils advocate I will point out that this means pub matches are going to start getting filled up with recruitment spam, scams, and whatever else the ne'er-do-wells we share this community with can think of. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 1025	Posted - 2014.01.16 17:12:00 - [3] - Quote Hm. +1 I can see chat being spammed with stuff however. It'd be 9x easier if we kept chat the same, but while in-game, any messages and notifications and whatever, gave you a little blinking message on the top of the screen, telling you which chat channel it was (If someone says something to me in Learning Coalition chat, I'm going to prioritize Team chat over that). Could be really helpful. EDIT: Not on the top, scratch that. On the right side, where the chat list is anyways. I just realized on the top is where battle notifications are held. :P ~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2059	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:07:00 - [4] - Quote You sound like you need to either join a corp or at the very least join squads (squad finder helps with this!). That said, it would be very useful to have chat more accessible whilst playing - something as simple as having the small square chat menu icons on the far right side of the screen, so you can see if someone has written something in team or squad chat would be helpful. Then there would be other useful additions for non-mic squad mates such as being able to paint a target - just like a squad leader sets an attack order on a player/vehicle, a non leader can point out one enemy at a time as long as he has LoS on him. You wouldn't necessarily get any extra WP for this but many would find it a useful addition for those unwilling/unable to speak to squad mates. However, these sorts of functions should only be available within squads otherwise it would just be too much. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:21:00 - [5] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You sound like you need to either join a corp or at the very least join squads (squad finder helps with this!). I actually mentioned the squad thing. The issue with that is that you have to randomly join a squad during the game. It seems like most people don't even try to squad up anymore in pub matches, aside from corps, and creating a squad myself is pointless because no one looks at the squad list, anyway. When the warbarge still existed, you could squad up before the match and solve that issue by talking. I actually joined squads quite a lot back then. But when you are on the ground, there's always the fear that you might be weakening your team by doing this and the fact that most people won't even notice the messages. As for corps... Well, I was a clan player when I was younger. But I don't intend to socialize in games these days. I just want to play on-off matches. I wouldn't be able to join into training or keep any schedules, anyway, so it would pointless for me to join in a corp. But target painting would definitely be useful. There was also that Judge video where he showed a concept for dropship to infantry communication.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 851	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:53:00 - [6] - Quote Bring warbarge back +1 The Sinwarden
Galthur Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 236	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:06:00 - [7] - Quote Make it so if one can have Left DPAD toggle between Chat and Killfeed (same location) when Push to Talk is disabled Get recruits for me, receive millions of ISK. Buying BPO Codes. [Forum Level: 8] [Scamming Level: 3]
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2061	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:18:00 - [8] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Django Quik wrote: You sound like you need to either join a corp or at the very least join squads (squad finder helps with this!). I actually mentioned the squad thing. The issue with that is that you have to randomly join a squad during the game. It seems like most people don't even try to squad up anymore in pub matches, aside from corps, and creating a squad myself is pointless because no one looks at the squad list, anyway. When the warbarge still existed, you could squad up before the match and solve that issue by talking. I actually joined squads quite a lot back then. But when you are on the ground, there's always the fear that you might be weakening your team by doing this and the fact that most people won't even notice the messages. As for corps... Well, I was a clan player when I was younger. But I don't intend to socialize in games these days. I just want to play on-off matches. I wouldn't be able to join into training or keep any schedules, anyway, so it would pointless for me to join in a corp. Fair enough, each to their own. But you should know that not every corp is about socialising and training and the sort. It's also just a very easy way to find people to play with - for instance if you were to join my corp, Dust2Dust, there'd be no pressure to play any set amount or join in training or PC or anything; you could play whatever schedule you like, however often you want; but because we are also members of an active alliance, there are always plenty of people looking for or running squads. Moreover, mics are certainly not a requirement for playing this game. I have many corp and alliance mates that function just fine in all roles without ever having had a mic. Stop trying to run with blueberries that have no idea what they're doing or what teamwork is - even if you did have a mic, that wouldn't help you with them because most of them don't have mics and have voice turned off, so can't even hear you! Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:21:00 - [9] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Fair enough, each to their own. But you should know that not every corp is about socialising and training and the sort. It's also just a very easy way to find people to play with - for instance if you were to join my corp, Dust2Dust, there'd be no pressure to play any set amount or join in training or PC or anything; you could play whatever schedule you like, however often you want; but because we are also members of an active alliance, there are always plenty of people looking for or running squads. Now I wonder: Do you have a Teamspeak server? I can't use a mic on my PS3, but there's no trouble doing it on a computer, even if the language barrier might be an issue. Quote: Moreover, mics are certainly not a requirement for playing this game. I have many corp and alliance mates that function just fine in all roles without ever having had a mic. Stop trying to run with blueberries that have no idea what they're doing or what teamwork is - even if you did have a mic, that wouldn't help you with them because most of them don't have mics and have voice turned off, so can't even hear you! That's another reason for text chat. It lowers the entry hurdle for cooperation.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 281	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:21:00 - [10] - Quote Want to communicate, but won't invest in a mic... Yeah, this ones a real smart cookie.

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 142	Posted - 2014.01.17 01:01:00 - [11] - Quote I got mine for 10 USD. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Mountain Doody DUST University Ivy League 26	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:18:00 - [12] - Quote this one is pretty comfortable and lasts maybe 8 hours of continous comms on a ~1.5 hour charge: http://www.amazon.com/TaoTronics%C2%AE-TT-BH01-Rechargeable-Microphone-Multi-Point/dp/B004GJ4OQW
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1969	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:26:00 - [13] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: As for corps... Well, I was a clan player when I was younger. But I don't intend to socialize in games these days. I just want to play on-off matches. I wouldn't be able to join into training or keep any schedules, anyway, so it would pointless for me to join in a corp. Find the right corp. The only focus my corp has is having fun and making **** jokes. Super mature stuff. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1969	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:43:00 - [14] - Quote @ OP - Try putting up a post in the corporation recruitment section of the forum looking for a corp that uses your language. This game is terrible without people to B.S. with. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 692	Posted - 2014.01.17 06:20:00 - [15] - Quote @OP- It makes way too much sense to have a 1/2 decent mic. Other games than just Dust use a headset for communication (COD, Most Wanted, BF4, BF3, any other Multi-player game, PS Home) whether you play them or not. I use my headset on both my computer and my PS3 and it has a simple USB connection with an uber long cord. As for you not being an anglophone, that shouldn't matter, there are plenty of French, Spanish, Portuguese, German and Japanese corporations, its all a matter of finding a group that communication has no barrier. How much easier would it be if you could talk in your native language to your corporation and squad rather than typing a message in a foreign language? LogiGod earns his pips
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:11:00 - [16] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: @OP- It makes way too much sense to have a 1/2 decent mic. Other games than just Dust use a headset for communication (COD, Most Wanted, BF4, BF3, any other Multi-player game, PS Home) whether you play them or not. And there's also plenty of games that do not have voice support but support keyboard. Actually, there is MORE of those. And the ones with built-in voice support tend to have it half-baked. Third-party tools are generally preferred for that. I do not see your point. I have a decent headset. It's not PS3 compatible and cost me fifty bucks.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 87	Posted - 2014.01.17 09:34:00 - [17] - Quote I'm on-board with this discontentment, but I'll take a somewhat-different tack. I got a headset recently, but lo and behold, it isn't compatible with my PS3. So **** CCP for chaining DUST to PS3. I have a bluetooth headset I could pair with my console, but it hasn't seemed worth the time. Most squads seem to require a mic, but from the others with which I've fought, I find that the rising-tide-floats-all-boats effect of matchmaking makes way, way more difference than whether I'm in a squad or not, no matter how much I follow leadership or do what I can to help. Many of us prefer to be solo players. Perhaps we lack a (compatible) mic, or we're shy, or misanthropic. Should we be punished for this? Really: if DUST expects to be a premier AAA shooter with lots of players and (even merely) enough revenues, should we not be included? Edit: What.
Bear D'Grassi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 33	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:37:00 - [18] - Quote Putting aside the need for a mic to instantly relay orders and the like, having a mic makes this game so much more enjoyable. The social side is a big part of the fun, for me at least, and I would say more than worth shelling out a few quid to join in. As previous posters have mentioned, getting into a like minded corp and squadding with a good bunch of guys on mic makes even losing fun.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 443	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:46:00 - [19] - Quote no one is immune to being stomped. HTFU. not even trolling... Thr33 is the magic number.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1647	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:59:00 - [20] - Quote If you can't do something as simple as hoocking up a mic to Your system, then that goes on you. And as far as English skill is concerned, most People suck at the start, as I did. Keep talking and you will get better, I have seen (ot indeed heard) lots of guys knowing merely very basic English to be more than good enough for gaming in about 6 months. And seriously, why play a game like this without a mic? - The ability to talk smack, joke around and keep up to dates With Your friends is a very Central part of the experience of a game like this IMO.... Get yourself a mic, its Worth it for the enhanced situational awareness you get alone. Be and play With friends, do fast paced micro tactics in mid gunfights etc. - Try using a proper headset for a week, you'll never go back.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1910	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:32:00 - [21] - Quote Tldr Merkin frends iz herd. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:07:00 - [22] - Quote KingBabar wrote: If you can't do something as simple as hoocking up a mic to Your system, then that goes on you. You can shoot that right back by asking why CCP doesn't make the chat system viable during combat. That's like pretending that mouse players should use the DS3 because CCP doesn't integrate them properly. Quote: And seriously, why play a game like this without a mic? Because this is not the first FPS or team-based game that I'm playing online. I am more than capable of coordination and making in-jokes via text chat. I do not see a mic as a tool for casual pub matches. Text based communication, especially with strangers and through the game itself (as opposed to dedicated third-party tools) is a ******* hassle. I remember the day when I tried to play with a group of friends - Two northern Germans, one Bavarian and one Austrian. We spoke the same language natively and still couldn't understand what the hell everyone was saying. I am very aware of the tactical advantages. I spent more than a year in a clan, playing competively. A mic is for when I sit down, take my clan mates and actually make a coordinated effort. For that, I'd be using a teamspeak server, which would completely nullify the point of getting a mic for the PS3. But I am not playing Dust competitively. I'm playing it casually, one or two matches every few days. And on those days, I want to rally the blueberries that run around like headless chickens. In another recent match, I used a dropship and had a blueberry with me. I had to park my DS and wait until he left it, because I wanted to recall it and I couldn't exactly signal him to leave. Give me a SIMPLE text system and awkward situations like this will disappear. Seriously, what the hell is up with those responses? Are you too young to have experienced a time when FPS actually allowed player-made servers and text-based messages? I'm quite young myself, but you make me feel old.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 694	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:41:00 - [23] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: @OP- It makes way too much sense to have a 1/2 decent mic. Other games than just Dust use a headset for communication (COD, Most Wanted, BF4, BF3, any other Multi-player game, PS Home) whether you play them or not. And there's also plenty of games that do not have voice support but support keyboard. Actually, there is MORE of those. And the ones with built-in voice support tend to have it half-baked. Third-party tools are generally preferred for that. I do not see your point. I have a decent headset. It's not PS3 compatible and cost me fifty bucks. Awww..thats too bad. Ebay, then buy one that works for both? I hear that Turtle beach makes nice headsets that are compatible with both and are very close to that price. LogiGod earns his pips
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2079	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:17:00 - [24] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: I am very aware of the tactical advantages. I spent more than a year in a clan, playing competively. A mic is for when I sit down, take my clan mates and actually make a coordinated effort. For that, I'd be using a teamspeak server, which would completely nullify the point of getting a mic for the PS3. But I am not playing Dust competitively. I'm playing it casually, one or two matches every few days. And on those days, I want to rally the blueberries that run around like headless chickens. In another recent match, I used a dropship and had a blueberry with me. I had to park my DS and wait until he left it, because I wanted to recall it and I couldn't exactly signal him to leave. Give me a SIMPLE text system and awkward situations like this will disappear. I mentioned this briefly before but whether or not you use a mic or if there was a viable ingame text chat system, it will not make much difference to your ability to 'rally blueberries'. Blueberries will be blueberries nonetheless - they will still sit in your vehicle until it dies or the match ends even if you're doing nothing and want to recall and have told them many times to get out. They will still run around in circles chasing their own tails because they have no idea what they're doing and don't care what anyone says either by text or voice. I don't know any corps that use Teamspeak for general ingame chat. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.


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