Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles don't seem bothered

1 point of armor HP =/= 1 point of shield HP. Shields are slightly more resistant to damage than armor since most weapons are made to kill armor. On top of that armor is slower so it's more susceptible to aim assist and easier to aim at. Most people armor tank because Damage mods are the fotm not armor...

Does the penalty get worse with stacking?

Ie 1 basic 2%
2 basic plates 4.1%
3 plates 6.45%

Also basic at the moment is the best value for money. I'd like a version where they have all the same HP but the penalty reduces with more advanced materials ie
STD 120 -8% speed and stamina
ADV 120 - 6% speed and stamina
PRO 120 -4% speed and stamina

Can I weigh in?

What's the consensus of the effects of a scout suit designed to be fitted with armor should it be tanked at all and ferroscales?

Would make Ferroscale slightly more useful for scouts.

(1-)How about this how many people would stay armor tanking if you remove damage mods...

(2-)Actually the 5% speed reduction you get is pretty significant judging from the fact that 5-7% is just about the speed difference between tiers(.3-) Regardless there should be a balancing between shields and armor but any nerfs to armor can only be justified by a definite nerd to grenades and a balancing between damage profiles so there is an equal amount of shield killers vs armor killers. And a definite reduction to the effectiveness of dual tanking.

(1) Shield depleted delay is so tiny that it's barely a factor, and just one basic regulator usually covers it.(2) It incentivizes the use of regulators instead of dual tanking both shields and armor, which was a balance issue. (3)So quit whining and use a regulator instead of trying to dual tank.

(4)Shields may have less HP, but their penalty is still almost a non-factor, and they auto-regen.(5) Armor does not auto-regen, meaning you have to stack like 3 complex armor repairers and use up lts of PG/CPU and slots to get a comparable regen rate.

(6)Almost one uses complex plates because of the speed penalty, and you want to raise the penalty? lol.

NOPE

* recites the incantation to summon Cat Merc and Arkena *

Yeah but do you think that given the limited number of slots on a scout that Ferroscales give enough HP per module for their CPU intensive costs and lack of self reps? I understand that they are already superior to Extenders in terms of HP per module but the fact that it does not self repair, and that they are not very scout friendly fitting wise kind of means something is wrong with Ferros. I mean I use them over reg. plates but the effects are not heartily felt when taking hits yet all too aware of them hogging my CPU.

But if you lower their costs they could become much more scout friendly. Raise their HP you might have a Medium Frame epidemic with them. But if you lower their CPU cost.

And the same with Reactive plates. How do you devise scout friendly Armor modules that are balanced and unappealing to medium frames?

But CCP won't ever admit that

Have fun with a total of 4 slots
MLT Amarr Light Frame will have 1 slot
2 slots std
3 slots ADV
4 slots proto

Although yall have more HP I pity you slow Amarr Scout fools.

I imagine the sprint will be like around 7.5 but a Minsault with any biotic skills will fricken rival you.
I heard that all scout profiles are being reduced to around a 35 innate.
And yes CPU PG will be great for bio mods and high tier stuff or just Amarr gear in general which are CPU/PG hogs. You will be the first scout suit to be comfortably fitting droplinks.

I use Reactive Plates just because of the armor regen. It's less armor hp but that small armor regen is perfect in certain situations.

2- I do, my shields recharge freakishly fast on my Caldari Assault, I don't even care about that extra HP. Plus I like the speed on my Caldari assault, the difference is very noticeable between my Gallente and Caldari assaults.

2/ Well good for you. I cant feel any difference in my Cal logi , the one with regulators and the one with Armor plates.
So you are talking about a personal experience here,not a fact.

3- And that is exactly why you should not talk about armor vs shields balance. YOU NEVER ARMOR TANKED. You have no clue how the suits, plates and repairers work in actual gameplay outside of stats. I did, the balance works.

3/ The fact i don't EXCLUSIVLEY armor tank does not mean i dont know anything about armor tanking. I have everything armor related at level 5 and i have DUAL tanked Cal logis and amarr assaults,and currently use Armor plates on everything,even some scout loadouts.


4- First off, my Gallente Assault has 504 armor. Do you know how much shields my Caldari assault has? 479. I stack dual enhanced plates on my Gallente Assault, so yeah. (And no the speed penalty isn't why I don't use complex plates, it's because the CPU/PG --> HP output is completely borked, and I can't fit then anyway even if they were good)

4/So 2 Dual enhanced Armor plates STILL give you more HP than , how much? 3-4 Compelx shield ext?....
Seems fair. for those 6%- speed penalty LOL.

5- So... You expect a solo tank to work better than a tank that requires multiple people? Seems legit.
Anyway, that's exactly where regulators come in, armor has a lead of 2 seconds on me before I start recharging at 31hp/s :3

5/If you survive the engagement vs a highly HP tanked enemy that is.Which, thanks to AA chances are against you.
Plus the fact Basic and ENH armor plates do the job better than complex Shields, it means even MORE than just a miserable Speed loss.It means LESS CPU/PG usage,there by better high modules/weapon/equipment.

6- Explained above. Speed penalty isn't the issue, the issue is the CPU/PG --> HP output.
Plus unlike shield tankers, I can't use CPU/PG extenders without sacrificing HEAVILY my tank.
Because of the way armor tanking works, if you use even ONE low slot for anything other than armor modules, you're gimped as ****.

6/ This is actually not redundant. You talk about CPU-PG enhancers? Well i say the same for caldari suits,they cannot equip Damage mods easily unless sacrificing HP.Not to mention since you can just equip BASIC ARMOR PLATES (10 CPU 1-PG) And save a LOT of CPU and PG so you dont need to use CPU and PG extenders.
ON THE OTHER side of the coin, The only shield extender worth it is the COMPLEX one....


Scouts don't use ferroscale and reactive plates because:
A. They suck ass
B. Their CPU/PG requirements are so freakishly high that their already low CPU/PG can't allow that
TRUE that.
maybe a good nerf to Armor plates would be a good reduction in CPU-PG usage for both reactive and Ferroscale plates....


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That's where you're wrong.
IF you have 50% more HP, THEN YOUR SPEED IS MUCH MORE LOW!

Even with HP matching the average proto caldari suit, my speed is noticeably lower, slowing me down a lot.

In fact I was in a PC match where my team was wiping the floor before I could even get to a place, they were shield tanked.
In the end I went 2/0 because I only saw two enemies, the rest were dead by the time I got to a place.

2- Look above for my exprience in a PC match in a slow ass Gallente assault
>>>>>>>> You think thats slow ass because you never ran a 500hp Commando XD
Still too fast for the HP value they have.
Anything with ABOVE 700 HP,should not run faster than 6.2 m/s....

4- 3 complex shield extenders. Mind you, my skills aren't maxed for shields, I could probably get to at least 500 HP.
I would also like to mention that my Caldari suit is much better overall outside of HP and regen, it has a duvolle, a proto hive, core locus, and an advanced SMG while my Gallente is stuck with a GEK, K2, M1 locus and a syndicate SMG.
And yes 6% speed IS a lot when you consider that the HP difference is next to nothing in the end.
If I replace those two enhanced armor plates with complex I would get 559. OH MY GOD IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!

>>>>>.......So you are ok with 3 COMPLEX shield extenders having LESS HP value, than 2 ENH armor plates.

5- Enhanced plates suck arse too actually in terms of CPU/PG, it's just that in order to compete at the higher end armor tanks have to use those.
I agree that basics are a wee bit ridiculous.
I would much prefer it if armor went 55/82/165 as it more closely resembles shields in terms of HP increase.
Now before you say anything about the HP values being too high, what I did was took shields HP and did 2.5x.
Armor has to use up half of it's slots for regen, and the HP ceiling is supposed to be higher.

>>>>>>>>I will from now on consider you biased in this issue.165 HP?LOL.
More like 40 - 80 - 120 HP...lol


6- Basic plates just aren't competitive enough at the higher end since you have to fit armor repairers too, but other than that yes, look above.

>>>>>>>Its been PROVEN,taht combat wise Higher HP value > Higher regen value.
So having 500 Armor and 5HP per sec is alway going to be better than having 380 HP and 10 REP.
PROVEN DUST514 FACT.
Sure, AA has a lot to do with this,but its still a fact.
Imagine you have a clone, with your exact skill level,exact character,exact aiming capabilities,etc...
The Cat Merc with 500 HP with 5 REP will come on top of your 380HP 10 HP REGEN Fit AND your caldari 6% faster suit with 31 Shield regen per sec,...lol


And what you save on plates you will have taken back from you with armor repairers, those are expensive as **** in any way you look at it and you have to fit complex or else you have a **** regen.
BTW That Caldari fit I'm talking about? Has a complex damage mod.

>>>>>>>>ONE DAMAGE MOD?! how many does your GAl has? And even stuck with a gek you will end up doing MORE damage while being cheaper AND having more HP,for a mer 6% speed

Except that in every PC match, everything is shields except for the logis. I wonder why :P

And it's not perception, it's factual, my speed is 0.6m/s slower than a Caldari suit.
That's like the difference between an assault and a scout.