DUST Search - Why tiercide is awesome for everyone

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

I like this idea of new players having a chance, but i fear that it would not work out in the long run, as one of the main things that separates this game from others is the progression. If you take that away, you lose the specialness that we call dust 514. When i was a noob, i got stomped more matches than i could count, however, I kept playing in hopes of having a shot of getting my very own prototype gear one day. I could have easily gone back to the mindlessness of video games like CoD, however this game appealed more to me because of the huge amount of possible progression. I think a better idea would be a "post-grad" battle academy that would have far more players, and encompass all players up to 2-3 mil sp who have graduated from battle academy. Also, increase the amount of warpoints required to leave battle academy, prevent alternate clones from participating in battle academy once one clone has graduated, and if players throw up ridiculous numbers and have kdrs over 10 in the academy, immediately remove them from the academy and place them in the pos-grad system.

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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1634	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:08:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Respec 2. High SP players get to specialize into one role, and excel in their preferred play style. 3. Low SP characters are just as powerful as high so characters, but are generalists. 4. Tier 2 and 3 gear only reduces negative effects of gear, while the positive effects remain the same at all levels.This slight advantage comes at a huge cost, though, so higher SP specialists can still have an advantage vs relatively low sp specialists. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 685	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:13:00 - [2] - Quote Low SP players still won't be as strong, as they won't have very good fitting skills. Also, it's tech, and that's not even how it works. But you're a bunny, so I wouldn't expect you to know. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1634	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:26:00 - [3] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Low SP players still won't be as strong, as they won't have very good fitting skills. Also, it's tech, and that's not even how it works. But you're a bunny, so I wouldn't expect you to know. Fear my pink fluffy ears Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5076	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:28:00 - [4] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Low SP players still won't be as strong, as they won't have very good fitting skills. Also, it's tech, and that's not even how it works. But you're a bunny, so I wouldn't expect you to know. What do you mean that's not how it works? Dust has never had this system, so there is no set way for how it would work. It doesn't have to work the same way as EVE just because we share the same server. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12076	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:29:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Low SP players still won't be as strong, as they won't have very good fitting skills. Also, it's tech, and that's not even how it works. But you're a bunny, so I wouldn't expect you to know. What do you mean that's not how it works? Dust has never had this system, so there is no set way for how it would work. It doesn't have to work the same way as EVE just because we share the same server. it does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i2AftCl-o CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 38	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:30:00 - [6] - Quote There is only one fix to close the gap and that is to allow for everyone the ability to use all gear. The fact that so many skills lower CPU/PG usage and other skills increase CPU/PG capacity will still allow for the gap in gear but keep it closer. In addition, the gap still exists and rewards high SP players because other skills that use SP will increase things like hack speed, damage, etc. On top of all of that, high sp players STILL have an advantage because of in game, playing experience.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1043	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:30:00 - [7] - Quote Exactly how many new suits would we be expecting CCP to create and balance for this? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Lorhak Gannarsein 1213	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Low SP players still won't be as strong, as they won't have very good fitting skills. Also, it's tech, and that's not even how it works. But you're a bunny, so I wouldn't expect you to know. What do you mean that's not how it works? Dust has never had this system, so there is no set way for how it would work. It doesn't have to work the same way as EVE just because we share the same server. it does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3i2AftCl-o Not sure what you mean, there. PRO tanker and proud.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 102	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:43:00 - [9] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: There is only one fix to close the gap and that is to allow for everyone the ability to use all gear. Although tiereside is a good thing when introduced later on when all the essentials are released to dust currently all gear is avaliable to us, you just need to invest the SP into them. But if your asking that all gear is available right off the bat - then no. That will defeat the purpose of dust514 unless CCP releases more miltia gear/items to experiment our fittings on or AURUM items.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5077	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:45:00 - [10] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Eko Sol wrote: There is only one fix to close the gap and that is to allow for everyone the ability to use all gear. Although tiereside is a good thing when introduced later on when all the essentials are released to dust currently all gear is avaliable to us, you just need to invest the SP into them. But if your asking that all gear is available right off the bat - then no. That will defeat the purpose of dust514 unless CCP releases more miltia gear/items to experiment our fittings on or AURUM items. All items available from the start, but skills providing bonuses to those items, actually holds a good bit of potential. However, that would take a major bite out of CCP Aurum sales so it will never happen. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12077	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Eko Sol wrote: There is only one fix to close the gap and that is to allow for everyone the ability to use all gear. Although tiereside is a good thing when introduced later on when all the essentials are released to dust currently all gear is avaliable to us, you just need to invest the SP into them. But if your asking that all gear is available right off the bat - then no. That will defeat the purpose of dust514 unless CCP releases more miltia gear/items to experiment our fittings on or AURUM items. All items available from the start, but skills providing bonuses to those items, actually holds a good bit of potential. However, that would take a major bite out of CCP Aurum sales so it will never happen. I think not. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2248	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:46:00 - [12] - Quote Back when we first started seeing tiercide threads probably a month or so after Uprising, it was called tiercide because we wanted people to easily grasp what we were suggesting: balance. Now, we have to hammer home the key objective of tiercide, because that's what CCP wants to know. What is the purpose of tiercide? I would argue that it is to create weaknesses and strengths, as opposed to right now, where going up a tier presents no drawbacks except more ISK, but even then some people have so much it is irrelevant. In this regard, it can't even be called tiercide because there actually is no need to remove any tiers when implementing drawbacks for current suits. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 38	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Eko Sol wrote: There is only one fix to close the gap and that is to allow for everyone the ability to use all gear. Although tiereside is a good thing when introduced later on when all the essentials are released to dust currently all gear is avaliable to us, you just need to invest the SP into them. But if your asking that all gear is available right off the bat - then no. That will defeat the purpose of dust514 unless CCP releases more miltia gear/items to experiment our fittings on or AURUM items. All items available from the start, but skills providing bonuses to those items, actually holds a good bit of potential. However, that would take a major bite out of CCP Aurum sales so it will never happen. You know that is 100% valid. I would argue that a model can be created to compensate for this although I haven't put much thought into it at the moment. AUR items COULD have additional bonuses such as lower CPU/PG usage which would allow for better fits for all players. This would actually increase the the income for experienced players who don't normally use AUR products. They would now consider it more often given that they could squeeze that extra few HP or % bonus for hack or whatever. Or you can make certain products AUR only period such as proto dampners. If I was given the go ahead I could put a whole PP together that would be profitable and effective as a whole. It is, fundamentally, a big part of what I do for a living. I have done it for other dev projects.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2092	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:07:00 - [14] - Quote I like this, totally not stealth bumping. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 43	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:16:00 - [15] - Quote I like this idea of new players having a chance, but i fear that it would not work out in the long run, as one of the main things that separates this game from others is the progression. If you take that away, you lose the specialness that we call dust 514. When i was a noob, i got stomped more matches than i could count, however, I kept playing in hopes of having a shot of getting my very own prototype gear one day. I could have easily gone back to the mindlessness of video games like CoD, however this game appealed more to me because of the huge amount of possible progression. I think a better idea would be a "post-grad" battle academy that would have far more players, and encompass all players up to 2-3 mil sp who have graduated from battle academy. Also, increase the amount of warpoints required to leave battle academy, prevent alternate clones from participating in battle academy once one clone has graduated, and if players throw up ridiculous numbers and have kdrs over 10 in the academy, immediately remove them from the academy and place them in the pos-grad system. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:19:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I like this idea of new players having a chance, but i fear that it would not work out in the long run, as one of the main things that separates this game from others is the progression. If you take that away, you lose the specialness that we call dust 514. When i was a noob, i got stomped more matches than i could count, however, I kept playing in hopes of having a shot of getting my very own prototype gear one day. I could have easily gone back to the mindlessness of video games like CoD, however this game appealed more to me because of the huge amount of possible progression. I think a better idea would be a "post-grad" battle academy that would have far more players, and encompass all players up to 2-3 mil sp who have graduated from battle academy. Also, increase the amount of warpoints required to leave battle academy, prevent alternate clones from participating in battle academy once one clone has graduated, and if players throw up ridiculous numbers and have kdrs over 10 in the academy, immediately remove them from the academy and place them in the pos-grad system. The only other alternative is a "scaled"/"tiered" bonus SP system. For example your first week has a 600k bonus SP, 2nd week 500k, 3rd week 400k, 4th week 300k, 5th through 8th week has 200k, and every week after is 100k. Give newbs a solid chance to get to ADV gear. No rollover though.


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