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Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:23:00 -
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Deep Shallowness wrote:I would acknowledge I had received it and publicly return it. If return was not possible I would destroy it. If it was anonymous i would contact the police and hand it to them as the source is unknown. Could be drug money for all I know.
Also that's different. This is an open offer of gifts prior to an election. The correct response is "no thank you"
Semantics.
They said they would "not keep" the rewards. You say they should "not take" the rewards. While I think you are right, there is not enough of a difference between those two positions to warrant painting those candidates in such a negative light.
This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to discredit some of the front-running candidates. It looks like you are trying to artificially create a controversial issue so that when the candidate you support comes forward they will be able to respond in the GÇ£rightGÇ¥ manner and use this contrived controversy to separate themself from the other candidates.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:32:00 -
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It's a similar topic to journalism, where it's very taboo to receive gifts. In most cases, review units sent to them are intended to be returned, but in the case they aren't, public giveaways are quite common. You state who provided it, and ensure there's a fair and balanced system for giving it out.
I would certainly recommend Shad "skip the middleman" and give things directly to the community, I was merely commenting on what I would do if given a "sponsorship" of any kind. As I stated, I do NOT expect or require anything to do the job, and I don't want it.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Deep Shallowness
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:33:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:It looks like you are trying to artificially create a controversial issue so that when the candidate you support comes forward they will be able to respond in the GÇ£rightGÇ¥ manner and use this contrived controversy to separate themself from the other candidates.
Nope. I just think it's cool that a game has real players being reps. And the election is an interesting thing to take part in. There isn't much going on with it as you said so I just looked at the recent, and pretty much only posts. When we vote here in the US we do look at everything the candidates say, and this seemed an interesting topic to me. I like impartial reps, and this to me as a warning. but that's just me. I guess others don;t see it that way.
I, personally, get more insight into people from this kind of topic than from the banal promises politicians make. Often the real person is in the side topics, not the campaign itself.
I never really used the forums until the CPM thing was mentioned to me. I like that stuff. the normal QQ is dull. Also you seem to be defending people, which is cool but are you running an impartial thread or not? |
Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:02:00 -
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I was impartial when I got here, but like everyone else I have been forming opinions based on what I read in the candidates posts. Just as after discussing this issue with you I now have a clearer idea as to the appropriate way for candidates to respond to sponsorship offers. That is, I basically agree with you that they should reject sponsorships if they are given that option.
I defended them because I felt you were being unduly hard on them, considering that your position and theirs did not appear to be too far apart. Of course I am Canadian and we do politics differently than you do in the US. It is a cultural thing.
I considered trying to remain completely neutral in covering the election, but finally decided that I could make a better contribution by providing informed analysis. My commentary thread will come out later in the week. In this thread I am trying to give all candidates equal treatment in the poll posts, by providing whatever contact information and supporting links that the candidate has made available.
I keep an open mind, so my opinion on each candidate's qualifications for the job will be subject to change based on how the election unfolds. I don't tend to become attached to my viewpoints.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Deep Shallowness
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:19:00 -
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See that's a cool response. You were able to admit that your view has been in some small way altered by what people say even if you think they are too aggressive or disagree with them. You admit that you will display some bias but at the same time do your best to honestly represent the candidates views and do a fair analysis. I can respect and trust in that.
A human wrote that reply.
Also i don't have some master plan, I am just trying to take part in my own small way. Us low SP players with no name or rep can dream of being CPM superstars but it'll never happen. So being active and taking part in the election is all I can hope for. I don't think tough questions or a bit of a poke is a bad thing. |
Fox Gaden
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:32:00 -
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The electorate will likely learn as much from the two of us debating as they will from the candidateGÇÖs platforms. The job of commentators is to challenge peopleGÇÖs perspectives and make them look at things in a new way. It leads to a more informed decision at the ballot box.
As for low SP players with no name or rep.... there is always CPM2...
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1165
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:35:00 -
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Deep Shallowness wrote:Also i don't have some master plan, I am just trying to take part in my own small way. Us low SP players with no name or rep can dream of being CPM superstars but it'll never happen. So being active and taking part in the election is all I can hope for. I don't think tough questions or a bit of a poke is a bad thing.
It's important that everyone participate. Not only by helping select the best candidates, but the total number of votes placed will help emphasize to CCP how important the CPM is. Every vote truly does count in this election.
As a side note, CPM is not superstardom. It's masochism. But if it's something that interests you, now or later, there's nothing stopping you from doing whatever you want in this game. It just takes time and dedication. It is entirely possible for a guy to be brand new to the game this week, and a minor community celebrity the next. Talk to people, do things. People will notice.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:26:00 -
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. Oops I did it again. LOL. Hit Quote instead of edit because I was on the wrong character and created a post when I did not intend to.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2051
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Posted - 2014.01.22 17:40:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Poll Results as of 20:35 EVE time, Jan 21st, 2014
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|||||||| Spartacus Dust (8)
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||||| The Black Jackal (5)
||| Tech De Ra (3)
|| Poonmunch (2)
|| SILENTSAM 69 (2)
| Aisha Ctarl (1)
Hellsatano (0)
Dalmont Legrand (0)
TEXA5 HiTM4N (0)
Mossellia Delt (0)
Keep in mind that we will be electing many representatives to CPM1.
some have yet to announce anything...
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:27:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:some have yet to announce anything...
That is why I reserved so many posts.
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Vice Galloza
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:29:00 -
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Spartacus dust what your paln for this game
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.22 23:32:00 -
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Vice Galloza wrote:Spartacus dust what your paln for this game
Try asking that here: CPM, FOR A BETTER DUST VOTE DUST!
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:43:00 -
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Just chiming in about CPM Sponsorship. Though having only help and support intended we will not offer rewards to the CPM1. They will have to carry on working for you for free and out of pocket.
We will support them however by allowing them a place to blog and have a seat on our podcasts.
Any who wish to start a blog may do so now if they wish. Site sign up is all that's needed and can blog right away
Co-Owner of Multiplexgaming.com
Co-Host of PODSIDE on iTunes
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:02:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Killar-12 wrote:some have yet to announce anything... If you mean that there are candidates that have not announced their intention to run yet, that is why I reserved so many posts. If you mean that some of these candidates have not really provided much of a platform, that is why they have not received any votes yet.
Both...
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.24 19:02:00 -
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Poll Results as of 19:00 EVE time, Jan 24th, 2014
|||||||||||||| Soraya Xel (14)
||||||||||| Spartacus Dust (11)
||||||||| Aero Yassavi (9)
||||| The Black Jackal (5)
|||| Tech De Ra (4)
| Kevall Longstride (1) * New
| Poonmunch (1)
| SILENTSAM 69 (1)
| Aisha Ctarl (1)
Hellsatano (0)
Dalmont Legrand (0)
TEXA5 HiTM4N (0)
Mossellia Delt (0)
Keep in mind that we will be electing many representatives to CPM1.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:08:00 -
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Poll Results as of 16:00 EVE time, Jan 27th, 2014
Keep in mind that we will be electing many representatives to CPM1.
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|||||||||||||||| Soraya Xel (16)
||||||||| Aero Yassavi (9)
||||| The Black Jackal (5)
||||| Kevall Longstride (5)
|||| Tech De Ra (4)
|| Aisha Ctarl (2)
| Poonmunch (1)
| SILENTSAM 69 (1)
| TEXA5 HiTM4N (1)
Hellsatano (0)
Dalmont Legrand (0)
Mossellia Delt (0)
Yokal Bob (0) * New
It is important to note that Spartacus DustGÇÖs dramatic rise in the Poll was not accompanied by any increase in posted responses in his campaign thread, nor has there bean any apparent outpouring of support for him on The CouncilGÇÖs Chamber forum. While his campaign is certainly worthy of consideration, I would suggest taking this Poll result with a grain of salt.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
864
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:15:00 -
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Fox, I'd like to get in game with you and chat while we play. I fear my CPM post didn't hit it off well for me.
Channel - Vote for Delt
Delt for CPM1
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:34:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Fox, I'd like to get in game with you and chat while we play. I fear my CPM post didn't hit it off well for me.
Join Learning Coalition chat. Look for me in there. I normally play my heavy Crash Gaden rather than Fox Gaden these days. You will also see my EVE character Renier Gaden in there a lot, but I spend a lot of time away from my keyboard EVE side, so it may take a while to get a response from me on Renier.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
864
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:48:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Fox, I'd like to get in game with you and chat while we play. I fear my CPM post didn't hit it off well for me. Join Learning Coalition chat. Look for me in there. I normally play my heavy Crash Gaden rather than Fox Gaden these days. You will also see my EVE character Renier Gaden in there a lot, but I spend a lot of time away from my keyboard EVE side, so it may take a while to get a response from me on Renier.
Alrighty, look forward to it
Channel - Vote for Delt
Delt for CPM1
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:25:00 -
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I have decided to accept candidates as experts, in the Expert's Poll, because this is not just a vote for one position. Candidates will care deeply about who they have on the Council with them. Candidates should vote for themselves. Candidates still must have posted constructively in 4 other candidate threads to qualify. (Their own thread counts as the 5th.)
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:26:00 -
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I have decided to accept candidates as experts, in the Expert's Poll, because this is not just a vote for one position. Candidates will care deeply about who they have on the Council with them. Candidates should vote for themselves. Candidates still must have posted constructively in 4 other candidate threads to qualify. (Their own thread counts as the 5th.)
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires
The CORVOS
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:34:00 -
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My poll increase, came after talking with people in our newly formed alliance, you'll notice we recently picked up Quebec United, and Latino Killer Corps, both corps of different nationalities and foreign languages, you said take it with a grain of salt, but I am also reaching out to the other nationalities, my candidacy doesn't only represent the English speaking population of Dust, as I had translators to help me unite different corps of different languages to come together, I have been talking with their leaders about the CPM. You can still take it with a grain of salt, I have no idea if they used alts, I do know after speaking with them they whole heartedly supported my goal of One Universe//One War.
Also I will have friends helping me tackle the language barriers, so we can reach out to the other aspects of the community.
Candidate for CPM1, ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.02 12:53:00 -
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I was not suggesting that you were doing anything wrong Spartacus. Most of the candidates have large groups of supporters. What is throwing the Poll off is that many of the supporters of the other candidates who have come to vote have also looked through the other candidate threads and voted for all the candidates they thought where good, while your supporters have just been voting for you and then leaving again.
I added the ExpertGÇÖs Poll to show results for a controlled group that has been considering all of the candidates' campaigns.
Ultimately it does not matter who gets the most votes since there will probably be around 6 winners, give or take. (We donGÇÖt know the size of the Council yet.)
Reaching out to different language groups is a good idea. Not only does it expand your support base, but it allows you to represent the needs of those other language groups.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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Spartacus Dust
The-Legionnaires
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Posted - 2014.02.03 01:01:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I was not suggesting that you were doing anything wrong Spartacus. Most of the candidates have large groups of supporters. What is throwing the Poll off is that many of the supporters of the other candidates who have come to vote have also looked through the other candidate threads and voted for all the candidates they thought where good, while your supporters have just been voting for you and then leaving again.
I added the ExpertGÇÖs Poll to show results for a controlled group that has been considering all of the candidates' campaigns.
Ultimately it does not matter who gets the most votes since there will probably be around 6 winners, give or take. (We donGÇÖt know the size of the Council yet.)
Reaching out to different language groups is a good idea. Not only does it expand your support base, but it allows you to represent the needs of those other language groups.
(By the way I am open to having multi lingual people translate my guides and repost them on other language forums, as long as they post in my original guide to let me know they are doing it, and indicate in the translation that I was the original author, with a link back to the original document.)
I'll try and get someone to help on that last part :)
I think most people see the forums as kind of useless, when it's a great source for intel, recruiting, allies, knowledge on different play styles and more.
It's sad how few people use the forums.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.04 20:05:00 -
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We have had two new Candidates enter the race. I added them to the Poll.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
904
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:42:00 -
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Fox, my interview with Gimble is up if you want to add it and im no longer using a personal chat channel, just the CPM1 Candidates channel
Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running.
Delt for CPM1
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:02:00 -
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Commentary:
- Starfire Revo interviews Mossellia Delt
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
904
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:22:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Fox, my interview with Gimble is up if you want to add it and im no longer using a personal chat channel, just the CPM1 Candidates channel Thanks, I added the link.
no thank you, for making this thread and the others
Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running.
Delt for CPM1
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Random Solder 19
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:26:00 -
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Popular Poll Results as of 13:20 EVE time, Feb 7th, 2014
Keep in mind that we will be electing many representatives to CPM1.
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|||||||||||||||||| Soraya Xel (18)
||||||||||| Aero Yassavi (11)
|||||||| The Black Jackal (8)
||||||| Tech De Ra (7)
|||||| Kevall Longstride (6)
|| Aisha Ctarl (2)
|| Poonmunch (2)
|| Radar R4D-47 (2) *New
|| Hellsatano (2)
| SILENTSAM 69 (1)
| TEXA5 HiTM4N (1)
| Mossellia Delt (1)
Dalmont Legrand (0)
Yokal Bob (0)
Canari Elphus (0) *New
The Popular Poll has no controls, so take the results with a grain of salt. For a more considered opinion of the candidates, see the Experts Poll.
Experts Poll Results as of 13:20 EVE time, Feb 7th, 2014
(Yes/Undecided/No)
|||| Soraya Xel (4/0/0)
|||| Spartacus Dust (4/0/0)
|||| Aero Yassavi (4/0/0)
|||| The Black Jackal (4/0/0)
|||| Tech De Ra (4/0/0)
||| Kevall Longstride (3/0/0)
Poonmunch (0/4/0)
SILENTSAM 69 (0/4/0)
Aisha Ctarl (0/4/0)
Hellsatano (0/4/0)
Dalmont Legrand (0/4/0)
TEXA5 HiTM4N (0/4/0)
Mossellia Delt (0/3/1)
Yokal Bob (0/4/0)
Radar R4D-47 (0/4/0)
Canari Elphus (0/4/0)
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.12 16:50:00 -
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Popular Poll Results as of 16:50 EVE time, Feb 12th, 2014
Keep in mind that we will be electing many representatives to CPM1.
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|||||||||||||||||| Soraya Xel (18)
|||||||||||| Aero Yassavi (12)
|||||||||| The Black Jackal (10)
|||||||| Tech De Ra (8)
||||||| Kevall Longstride (7)
||| Radar R4D-47 (3)
|| Canari Elphus (2)
|| Aisha Ctarl (2)
|| Poonmunch (2)
|| Hellsatano (2)
| SILENTSAM 69 (1)
| TEXA5 HiTM4N (1)
| Mossellia Delt (1)
| Yokal Bob (1)
Dalmont Legrand (0)
The Popular Poll has no controls, so take the results with a grain of salt. For a more considered opinion of the candidates, see the Experts Poll.
Experts Poll Results as of 16:40 EVE time, Feb 12th, 2014
(Yes/Undecided/No)
|||| Soraya Xel (4/0/0)
|||| Spartacus Dust (4/0/0)
|||| Aero Yassavi (4/0/0)
|||| The Black Jackal (4/0/0)
|||| Tech De Ra (4/0/0)
|||| Kevall Longstride (4/0/0)
Poonmunch (0/3/1)
| SILENTSAM 69 (1/3/0)
Aisha Ctarl (0/3/1)
Hellsatano (0/4/0)
Dalmont Legrand (0/4/0)
TEXA5 HiTM4N (0/4/0)
Mossellia Delt (0/2/2)
| Yokal Bob (1/3/0)
|| Radar R4D-47 (2/1/1)
||| Canari Elphus (3/1/0)
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