DUST Search - If a new player downloaded Dust right after the Tank Buff....

Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:

Threvis Valan wrote:

There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness.

Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game.

Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet?

Yep!!!

THEN
A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers.

NOW!!
We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers.

This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding.

Comnsider the comnstant QQ and fail threads effect on the popularity of the game itself, I'd also like to see how badly the playerbase itself hurts its own game by shooting its mouth off nonstop.

I don't see PS4 mentioned anywhere in there, and the effect of players moving to that as of yet unsupported platform, if anything taking into consideration platform migration the numbers would appear stable.

4000 then is 4000 now.

Your use of the word "Imploding" I would assume is unfounded legal slander, and If I were in charge of the company I would prosecute you legally.

IF Dust went to PS4 and the numbers did not grow from 4,000 at that point , then your assertion would stand up to scrutiny.

There is still missing data, we would need numbers for both PS3 and PS4. Growth and loss rates to find the answer.

I would also like to be able to compare it to rates of loss due to constant player theory crafting and emo charged QQ in open forums, and its effect on the game itself. It's self defeating like an Opus Dei flaggelant.

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Threvis Valan 0hh Really 1	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:54:00 - [1] - Quote they would assume its a horribly balanced game where the tanks are ridiculously OP. After promptly going 0-27 in their third straight ambush game they would logoff, delete the game from their PS3, pop BF4 back in and never look back. This is the problem when tuning isn't carefully done and thoroughly tested. Dust needs a test server like EVE has that maybe 100 or so players have access to. There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 8	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:56:00 - [2] - Quote It can and will Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 62	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote I've been around for just about 3/4 a year now and I almost quit after the tank spam started. However I came back and decided to work around it by just learning to at least marginally use tanks. Makes me wonder how many left though Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote You guys have no idea...been here aslong as me you'd know what a god tank is and you'd say use av cuz this is still nothin... If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 64	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:01:00 - [5] - Quote I don't have a problem with god tanks and people who put in the time and skills required for them. I'm all for that. What I'm against currently is the amount and power of Mlt tanks. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
BAD FURRY Oh No You Didn't 253	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:01:00 - [6] - Quote Makes new account kills 3 tanks with noob tank sp in Smg not tanks ends 1st game with 13-7 Hay bro looks like this is a fun game ![:8)] Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 285	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:04:00 - [7] - Quote Threvis Valan wrote: they would assume its a horribly balanced game where the tanks are ridiculously OP. After promptly going 0-27 in their third straight ambush game they would logoff, delete the game from their PS3, pop BF4 back in and never look back. This is the problem when tuning isn't carefully done and thoroughly tested. Dust needs a test server like EVE has that maybe 100 or so players have access to. There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. This. right now tanks are bad in so many ways. if they are going to be this powerful they should cost 3 times the amount of a protosuit. in 1.8 the first thing they need to buff is the cost. what u say is true tho, new players dont know about CCP addressing tanks in 1.8. they dont read the forums or follow the devs on twitter. all they know is the game is broken.
M McManus 347	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:07:00 - [8] - Quote Welcome to CCP logic and why we can't seem to stay above 4k concurrent players... No communication, no testing, random college dorm room like attitude towards their game and player base.. Just think what old and new kb/m players felt like when Uprising was deployed.. But hey it seems CCP is happy with their dismal player base!
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 883	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: You guys have no idea...been here aslong as me you'd know what a god tank is and you'd say use av cuz this is still nothin... THIS. THEY DON'T KNOW THE STRUGGLE. This is crap compared to what it was like back then... When Dropships and their turrets went 20/0 easily by bombarding. I'm talking about actually running at the mere sight of something flying our way. And the tanks? lolololol. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:21:00 - [10] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: You guys have no idea...been here aslong as me you'd know what a god tank is and you'd say use av cuz this is still nothin... THIS. THEY DON'T KNOW THE STRUGGLE. This is crap compared to what it was like back then... When Dropships and their turrets went 20/0 easily by bombarding. I'm talking about actually running at the mere sight of something flying our way. And the tanks? lolololol. I know back then you could have 10 coordinated proto av and it wouldn't bug them...and now that tanks can't be soloed easily everyone says it's op...mmorpg role playing as in using av with team work...all your problems solved..if they wanna spam tanks then use av make them pay for it and your pay out will be better for it aswell..don't go in as a slayer then say tanks are op or they get spammed..teamwork + av = Problem solved... If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.

Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 883	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:34:00 - [11] - Quote Exactly. Even when I'm solo, I can still take out the current tanks with just militia crap and standard AV grenades. If you increase the AV on the team, tanks are at more of a disadvantage. I get them down to 30% eHP and could finish them with 1-2 more hits of whatever but I ran outta ammo while everyone else ain't doing crap to contribute to destroying it. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 950	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:39:00 - [12] - Quote I got 6 of friends to try dust and they all enjoyed it for a few matches then they graduated the academy got destroyed match after match and quit. Dust's new player retention rate is abysmal. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:41:00 - [13] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: I got 6 of friends to try dust and they all enjoyed it for a few matches then they graduated the academy got destroyed match after match and quit. Dust's new player retention rate is abysmal. Bf4 isn't much better I'm lvl 2 then the other team is stacked with lvls 70+ they have every class maxed and vehicles. If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 178	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:43:00 - [14] - Quote Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1614	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:45:00 - [15] - Quote if a new player downloaded dust right after the tank buff i'd assume they'd think this is world of tans and spec into a tank.
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? No that's what they say when they expect other people to use av but everyone on their team would rather be slayers. If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1570	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:47:00 - [17] - Quote I love the tank spam! At least in FW. It makes it so easy to find targets for orbitals. I dropped OBs which popped 2 tanks at the same time. And I popped expensive tanks. My best tank kills were worth about 400k ISK. https://zkillboard.com/detail/35756710/ https://zkillboard.com/detail/35939925/ When I go into a FW match now I really HOPE to see tanks. Because if Caldari can't win, we can at least make it expensive for the Gallente. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 351	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:48:00 - [18] - Quote calisk galern wrote: if a new player downloaded dust right after the tank buff i'd assume they'd think this is world of tans and spec into a tank. Bf4 everyone goes for the vehicles they're what win games and can turn the tide. So why would someone whose played bf4 think tanks would be paper? Lmao I love the forums. If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 885	Posted - 2014.01.14 20:58:00 - [19] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: I got 6 of friends to try dust and they all enjoyed it for a few matches then they graduated the academy got destroyed match after match and quit. Dust's new player retention rate is abysmal. I definitely agree. It wasn't as bad earlier on because most people were in between 5-10 Mil but now people are like 10-20 Mil. Can't we just like... Allow academy players to access both the Academy and the regular contracts but once they're at a certain amount of Skill Points, they officially graduate and must play regular contracts? I'd imagine the only problem is that academy players could play public and FW and essentially "dropout" of the Academy altogether. But shrug we could leave it like that or make it so that you get rewards for playing Academy battles often. Maybe some free packaged fittings of your choosing? I believe MGO had a system like this where you could access the server only if you were under a certain level. It gives you a cushion to fall on but it leaves it to you, to get back up. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1592	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:02:00 - [20] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: calisk galern wrote: if a new player downloaded dust right after the tank buff i'd assume they'd think this is world of tans and spec into a tank. Bf4 everyone goes for the vehicles they're what win games and can turn the tide. So why would someone whose played bf4 think tanks would be paper? Lmao I love the forums. Lol what?! Tanks or choppers have not single handly won any bf game since ever. Ive played em all. Stop playing are wanting to play a fps game like rts. Dont mean you but some on here. That has long been the problem since this game came out, that brings in fps players and then losses em. Source? Some one mention that. Eve-offline.net. game has not touched 4k in awhile. And the rentention is non existent.

bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 857	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:06:00 - [21] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: I got 6 of friends to try dust and they all enjoyed it for a few matches then they graduated the academy got destroyed match after match and quit. Dust's new player retention rate is abysmal. I definitely agree. It wasn't as bad earlier on because most people were in between 5-10 Mil but now people are like 10-20 Mil. Pardon me, good sir.. Don't forget about us fine gentleman with 30m plus... ::Puts on monocle and top hat, purchased with AUR::
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 359	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:11:00 - [22] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: calisk galern wrote: if a new player downloaded dust right after the tank buff i'd assume they'd think this is world of tans and spec into a tank. Bf4 everyone goes for the vehicles they're what win games and can turn the tide. So why would someone whose played bf4 think tanks would be paper? Lmao I love the forums. Lol what?! Tanks or choppers have not single handly won any bf game since ever. Ive played em all. Stop playing are wanting to play a fps game like rts. Dont mean you but some on here. That has long been the problem since this game came out, that brings in fps players and then losses em. Source? Some one mention that. Eve-offline.net. game has not touched 4k in awhile. And the rentention is non existent. You have never played a decent player then trust me a good tanker can win the game in any bf game. Ive done it and had it done to me..an yes choppers can win games not only control the air but also the ground.. If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1076	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:36:00 - [23] - Quote Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? Yep!!! THEN A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. NOW!! We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding. And as far as burning up the fanbase? Gee let me think Dust 514 or: FFX HD, Metal Gear, Dragons Dogma, Watch Dogs, Destiny, Witcher 3, Fallout 4, The Order, Titanfall, Planetside 2, The Division, Killzone., Diablo3 ( PS4)etc. Hey Dust 514!! sit down!! hey YO!! its bench time...*****!! Read the sig. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9991	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:42:00 - [24] - Quote All I see is tanks every match. The player count is too small for this crap. Militia tanks should either be made of paper, or cost ISK to deploy. Right now it just caters to noobs, and you even have people with full skills into tanks deploying militia tanks because it's vastly more profitable for a slight hit to performance. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1076	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:48:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: All I see is tanks every match. The player count is too small for this crap. Militia tanks should either be made of paper, or cost ISK to deploy. Right now it just caters to noobs, and you even have people with full skills into tanks deploying militia tanks because it's vastly more profitable for a slight hit to performance. Yeah. Plus 1.7 angered a lot of folks. And 16 versus 16 is just stale and old. Just waiting for April to get my hands on a PS4. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 184	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:51:00 - [26] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? No that's what they say when they expect other people to use av but everyone on their team would rather be slayers. I agree, right now tanks and av are way off balance and infuriating. I also understand your theory that it costs players, that is a logical conclusion, however when making accusations in a public forum it can be counterproductive. An example of why I assert this: a real economist was once brought in to study the EVE economy, and why certain systems like Jita became market hubs. In his report he mentioned a term something like "the hundredth point perception" , and explained when people hear the place or term, mentioned enough times, a landslide phenomenon happens where the term "jita" becomes the de facto "market" and that is how markets are born. In other words, ideas become facts when repeated enough times. I'm saying that your frustration and lack of back up numbers could actually be creating the situation you don't want to see happen. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Jillian Chastot Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 7	Posted - 2014.01.14 21:54:00 - [27] - Quote My problem was the fact it wasn't actually aparant how to recieve a "hard" vehicle counter as a new player. I had to scrounge around and learn forge guns leave a fair dent, then find that there are basic heavy frames that i can get with militia guns that arent too expensive. They won't solo a tank but it will be a hell of a detterant to them, the information is just not readilly available or obvious. (eve should have taught me that) TLDR new players probably dont know that they can fit a suit that can damage vehicles...
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 370	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:00:00 - [28] - Quote Jillian Chastot wrote: My problem was the fact it wasn't actually aparant how to recieve a "hard" vehicle counter as a new player. I had to scrounge around and learn forge guns leave a fair dent, then find that there are basic heavy frames that i can get with militia guns that arent too expensive. They won't solo a tank but it will be a hell of a detterant to them, the information is just not readilly available or obvious. (eve should have taught me that) TLDR new players probably dont know that they can fit a suit that can damage vehicles... They need more time in the academy instead of nerfing everything to there level. That would help a lot If you're going to be bad, be bad in bed.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 184	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:07:00 - [29] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? Yep!!! THEN A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. NOW!! We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding. I don;t see PS4 mentioned anywhere in there, and the effect of players moving to that as of yet unsupported platform, if anything taking into consideration platform migration the numbers would appear stable. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1077	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:34:00 - [30] - Quote Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? Yep!!! THEN A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. NOW!! We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding. Comnsider the comnstant QQ and fail threads effect on the popularity of the game itself, I'd also like to see how badly the playerbase itself hurts its own game by shooting its mouth off nonstop. I don't see PS4 mentioned anywhere in there, and the effect of players moving to that as of yet unsupported platform, if anything taking into consideration platform migration the numbers would appear stable. 4000 then is 4000 now. Your use of the word "Imploding" I would assume is unfounded legal slander, and If I were in charge of the company I would prosecute you legally. IF Dust went to PS4 and the numbers did not grow from 4,000 at that point , then your assertion would stand up to scrutiny. There is still missing data, we would need numbers for both PS3 and PS4. Growth and loss rates to find the answer. I would also like to be able to compare it to rates of loss due to constant player theory crafting and emo charged QQ in open forums, and its effect on the game itself. It's self defeating like an Opus Dei flaggelant. Its simple MORE PS3 consoles sold equals MORE potential users of any given game. Its very simple where 1 or higher equals growth LESS than 1 equals DECAY. Where PS3 70m for 4k equals 1 Growth is if 70m equal 4k =1 then 80m needs to equal 1 PLUS an INCREASED number DECAY is if 70m equal 4k=1 then 80m consoles sold needs to equal the same 4k number. A STATIC 4k means no growth even in the face of an increased potential userbase. In fact an 80m PS3 consolebase means that Dust needs to be at 4500 to 5000 to be considered a static number in view of more consoles sold. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-playstation-3-sales-hit-80-million Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.



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