DUST Search - If a new player downloaded Dust right after the Tank Buff....

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Valmorgan Aubaris wrote:

Threvis Valan wrote:

There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness.

Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game.

Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet?

Yep!!!

THEN
A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers.

NOW!!
We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers.

This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding.

Comnsider the comnstant QQ and fail threads effect on the popularity of the game itself, I'd also like to see how badly the playerbase itself hurts its own game by shooting its mouth off nonstop.

I don't see PS4 mentioned anywhere in there, and the effect of players moving to that as of yet unsupported platform, if anything taking into consideration platform migration the numbers would appear stable.

4000 then is 4000 now.

Your use of the word "Imploding" I would assume is unfounded legal slander, and If I were in charge of the company I would prosecute you legally.

IF Dust went to PS4 and the numbers did not grow from 4,000 at that point , then your assertion would stand up to scrutiny.

There is still missing data, we would need numbers for both PS3 and PS4. Growth and loss rates to find the answer.

I would also like to be able to compare it to rates of loss due to constant player theory crafting and emo charged QQ in open forums, and its effect on the game itself. It's self defeating like an Opus Dei flaggelant.

Its simple MORE PS3 consoles sold equals MORE potential users of any given game.

Its very simple where 1 or higher equals growth
LESS than 1 equals DECAY.

Where PS3 70m for 4k equals 1

Growth is if 70m equal 4k =1 then 80m needs to equal 1 PLUS an INCREASED number

DECAY is if 70m equal 4k=1 then 80m consoles sold needs to equal the same 4k number.

A STATIC 4k means no growth even in the face of an increased potential userbase.

In fact an 80m PS3 consolebase means that Dust needs to be at 4500 to 5000 to be considered a static number in view of more consoles sold.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-playstation-3-sales-hit-80-million

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Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 187	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:50:00 - [31] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? Yep!!! THEN A few months ago it was 70 million PS3 sold and we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. NOW!! We have MORE than 70 million PS3 sold and yet we barely manage 4000k peak numbers. This right there tells you the Dust 514 playerbase is imploding. Comnsider the comnstant QQ and fail threads effect on the popularity of the game itself, I'd also like to see how badly the playerbase itself hurts its own game by shooting its mouth off nonstop. I don't see PS4 mentioned anywhere in there, and the effect of players moving to that as of yet unsupported platform, if anything taking into consideration platform migration the numbers would appear stable. 4000 then is 4000 now. Your use of the word "Imploding" I would assume is unfounded legal slander, and If I were in charge of the company I would prosecute you legally. IF Dust went to PS4 and the numbers did not grow from 4,000 at that point , then your assertion would stand up to scrutiny. There is still missing data, we would need numbers for both PS3 and PS4. Growth and loss rates to find the answer. I would also like to be able to compare it to rates of loss due to constant player theory crafting and emo charged QQ in open forums, and its effect on the game itself. It's self defeating like an Opus Dei flaggelant. Its simple MORE PS3 consoles sold equals MORE potential users of any given game. Its very simple where 1 or higher equals growth LESS than 1 equals DECAY. Where PS3 70m for 4k equals 1 Growth is if 70m equal 4k =1 then 80m needs to equal 1 PLUS an INCREASED number DECAY is if 70m equal 4k=1 then 80m consoles sold needs to equal the same 4k number. A STATIC 4k means no growth even in the face of an increased potential userbase. In fact an 80m PS3 consolebase means that Dust needs to be at 4500 to 5000 to be considered a static number in view of more consoles sold. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-playstation-3-sales-hit-80-million It's not "simple", how many more PS3's were sold, and how many were taken down and replaced by PS4's? You yourself said you are moving to a PS4 soon earlier in this thread. You are not stating numbers, only blind speculation. The only real numbers you have stated thus far are static numbers of 4,000 which means you prove your own theory baseless and unfounded, it is not "imploding" as you call it, it is stable despite platform migration, which could actually mean growth i among installed base if we knew the real numbers. You fail to mention the could, and i ask this: why? Are you trying to influence a failure of Dust? You are not entertaining both sides of an equation you do not know the real numbers to. You said "DECAY is if 70m equal 4k=1 then 80m consoles sold needs to equal the same 4k number." What is the number value of the "if" in your statement please? EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1077	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:08:00 - [32] - Quote If I have a 10 rental units and the months take is 4000 dollars then that is the base number for gross. If a few months later I now have 15 rental units and the gross is still at 4000 dollars then somebody is about to be fired. In short if I have more rental units then there better be a higher number than 4000 dollars in that account. Or if you want to talk about platform migration as an EXCUSE then k!! 80m PS3 sold minus 4m PS4 sold equals 76m PS3? Then why are dust numbers still at 4k?? Lol! Dust 514 playerbase is dropping. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 189	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:19:00 - [33] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: If I have a 10 rental units and the months take is 4000 dollars then that is the base number for gross. If a few months later I now have 15 rental units and the gross is still at 4000 dollars then somebody is about to be fired. In short if I have more rental units then there better be a higher number than 4000 dollars in that account. Or if you want to talk about platform migration as an EXCUSE then k!! 80m PS3 sold minus 4m PS4 sold equals 76m PS3? Then why are dust numbers still at 4k?? Lol! Dust 514 playerbase is dropping. If you weren't speculatively pulling numbers out of your anus you would appear less idiotic. Platform migration is not an "excuse" it simply is a fact, a fact that has a number value we do not know, as you yourself said you are moving on to PS4. Maybe the numbers are static because perhaps players log into Dust forums and see nonstop threads tearing the game apart mercilessly and endlessly stacked one atop the other like carbon copies of one another and run for the hills. Maybe the numbers are static because players like you are making it happen by speculating theory then stating it as fact. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1593	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:25:00 - [34] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: Surt gods end wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: calisk galern wrote: if a new player downloaded dust right after the tank buff i'd assume they'd think this is world of tans and spec into a tank. Bf4 everyone goes for the vehicles they're what win games and can turn the tide. So why would someone whose played bf4 think tanks would be paper? Lmao I love the forums. Lol what?! Tanks or choppers have not single handly won any bf game since ever. Ive played em all. Stop playing are wanting to play a fps game like rts. Dont mean you but some on here. That has long been the problem since this game came out, that brings in fps players and then losses em. Source? Some one mention that. Eve-offline.net. game has not touched 4k in awhile. And the rentention is non existent. You have never played a decent player then trust me a good tanker can win the game in any bf game. Ive done it and had it done to me..an yes choppers can win games not only control the air but also the ground.. I've played great players. and have two of the game's finest tankers in our clan. But they have lost tanks to two man teams and even great AV solo players. Now the choppers... cheesy little fucks aren't they? Spawn camping and retreating little flies who are only a threat to noobs. I faced elite pilots and know the tactics. And they have gone down to two players teams. And I'll admist that great heli pilots DO need two players. cause that dip into cover speed those choopers do is annoying. BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE A SQUAD OF 4 GUYS TO TAKE DOWN ANY TANK OR CHOPPER IN ANY BF GAME. Other team must **** poor to ever need 4 guys to take out one tank. And we all know what one guy and RE do to tanks in BF games.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 822	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:31:00 - [35] - Quote You fools! no idea what an actual god tank mode in DUST is. Blackops Tanks. Never heard of them? then your know nothing!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1593	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:37:00 - [36] - Quote There is no way you can look here Eve-offline And tell me that 1.7 kept ANYONE. not since 1.0 had there been such a unpopular update. But why? cause all FPS players have it wrong? that this is not a FPS game? right. That's how it's going to be judged. as a fps. and despite all the ** that BF got into, there player base is still a strong one. It will take more then EA screwing up again to really make people leave from BF. BF bad company 3 drops, and watch how many buy it. **.. bF2145 drops and all hell will break loose as people jump to play it.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1077	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:40:00 - [37] - Quote Bethhy wrote: You fools! no idea what an actual god tank mode in DUST is. Blackops Tanks. Never heard of them? then your know nothing! I had them as salvage!! Then CCP took all our assets.........WHAAAAAAA!! So how did you get the Cuberas or was it Chackrams?? The black ops tanks I had then said Officer Kubera but I was never able to find out what slot had the cloak module?? Anywho remember when fitting a small turret on a dropship got 80 and 0?? Or spawncamping the fixed spot under the MCC with five Sagaris tanks. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 331	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:50:00 - [38] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: You guys have no idea...been here aslong as me you'd know what a god tank is and you'd say use av cuz this is still nothin... THIS. THEY DON'T KNOW THE STRUGGLE. This is crap compared to what it was like back then... When Dropships and their turrets went 20/0 easily by bombarding. I'm talking about actually running at the mere sight of something flying our way. And the tanks? lolololol. back when hmg and heavy earned you a insta 5.o kdr? and ARs were rapid fire sniper rifles with super scopes I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1077	Posted - 2014.01.15 00:01:00 - [39] - Quote Back when scout with Disco Shoes equaled predator suit and a gunfight with a Credon AR led to hearing the Bee Gees playing Staying Alive. So fun trying to kill Jumpman23, Protoman. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1207	Posted - 2014.01.15 00:02:00 - [40] - Quote Threvis Valan wrote: they would assume its a horribly balanced game where the tanks are ridiculously OP. After promptly going 0-27 in their third straight ambush game they would logoff, delete the game from their PS3, pop BF4 back in and never look back. This is the problem when tuning isn't carefully done and thoroughly tested. Dust needs a test server like EVE has that maybe 100 or so players have access to. There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Just put Nyain San in it. If it's OP or exploitable they're usually the first to use it. Where is my Gallente sidearm? SoonGäó514

Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.01.15 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? ur kidding i hope. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust max numbers ever were 9,255 which was the weekend of release...for a f2p game. thats pitiful! specially 4 one with 5M accounts. even worse game averages about 3,500 peak nowadays...which is a 3rd of the pitiful number. me thinks u no good @ math.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 195	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:06:00 - [42] - Quote Tolen Rosas wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Threvis Valan wrote: There are thousands of players who were exposed to the game in the last month and i'm willing to bet the retention of these players is really low as a result of the tank foolishness. Dust can't keep throwing away potential customers and burning up the fanbase of people potentially interested in the game. Do you have any concrete numbers to back your bet? ur kidding i hope. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust max numbers ever were 9,255 which was the weekend of release...for a f2p game. thats pitiful! specially 4 one with 5M accounts. even worse game averages about 3,500 peak nowadays...which is a 3rd of the pitiful number. me thinks u no good @ math. Are you blind? Look at your own link and the graph for the past year, 90% of that graph hovers at 4K, Methinks you are no good at looking at a basic graph. I call that *static.* The lowest point on the entire graph is December, that is true , as I have said before, for all online games, and likely will be true next year from December to January as well. You can't use a release spike of 9K as a reason to say customers are leaving. That is simply people who tried it and didn't like it. Period. You didn't lose them because you never had them in the first place. Also, people tried it at release and decided to come back later when it is more finished, I am one of them. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:53:00 - [43] - Quote 5M accounts...less than 4,000 at peak. ur really arguing this? ur one of those CCP apologists, I guess. Good luck with that, buddy. I call it like I see it. You see what you hope too...must be nice.


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