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Corrupted Files
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:23:00 -
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So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you. |
McFurious
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
443
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:33:00 -
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You're gonna need at least 7+ million to max out core skills (shields, armor, power grid, cpu) and proto into a suit and weapon.
The starting grind will be brutal. I'd honestly recommend just turning on passive sp and leaving the game alone for a few months. If you really want to play, then the first weapon you should skill into is a rail or combat rifle, even the basic level 1 versions are pretty powerful this build and they're dirt cheap. However, that can easily change by the next build.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
3861
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:45:00 -
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Accumulated SP doesn't really matter as a newer player, but where you put it decides your effectiveness.
Dropsuit Upgrades is the first skill tree you'll want to max out, but you may decide on bringing your dropsuit/weapon up first.
Also, ISK made is loosely based on total value of items lost, divided by the amount of players on the enemy team, distributed by WP. If you want to make ISK easily, spec into Minmatar or Gallente Logi level 1, put three different kinds of Advanced Drop Uplinks on it, and throw them all around when playing solo Domination. Easy money, and you may even get 4-6 hate videos about it 
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8003
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Posted - 2014.01.13 00:59:00 -
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I'd say 5 million or more.
You should try to raise to level 3 or max out if you can the following skills with your skill points: electronics (raises dropsuit CPU), engineering (raises dropsuit PG), shield upgrades (dropshit shields), armor upgrades (dropsuit armor). I would also max out handheld weapon upgrades (to unlock complex damage mods), shield extension (to unlock complex shield extenders), I would at least get level 1 in armor plating and armor repair to get basic repair modules and basic armor plating.
On top of those skills, if you can unlock and advanced weapon and advanced dropsuit, then you should be ok I think.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4403
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:00:00 -
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Sorry to hear about your passive SP not working.
I think you are right to work on your core skills first. Good luck! |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1026
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:06:00 -
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Leave now while you still can. Give it up. It's too late for us.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8003
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:17:00 -
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I would strongly recommend using drop uplinks (player-placed spawn points), and repair tools (heals armor of friendlies) to get more war points per battle battle. There are militia variants to them; militia items require no skills to use. The more WP you make, the more ISK and skill points you will be awarded.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1024
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Posted - 2014.01.13 01:54:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
around 6 million on a min maxed build.
you want:
an advanced weapon of your liking
an advanced suit or your liking
advanced or prototype mods
in the early game it's better imo to focus on getting an advanced suit than filling out core cpu/pg skill because you'll get a better SP value for it. you also need to fill out your tank, on a basic suit you should be using basic/adv mods and on an adv suit adv/pro.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Zirzo Valcyn
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:02:00 -
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i stopped counting SP after 11 mil but that was because i was both assault and pilot. if you choose one role after 6-9mil sp imo is effective. even with 11mil i wasn't able to max out both roles but didn't feel it was extremely neccessary for like a 5% better chance in both roles.
i've also been vocal about the isk issue you have. there is no fun in this game grinding isk to just try and survive. it was a good concept at first but is fundamently unfun and flawed in so many ways i;d have to make another new post about it to go into detail
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4793
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:05:00 -
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Is this the first Dust character you created on your PSN account? Have you ever had passive SP activated on any other character on your PSN account? If the answers are "Yes" and "No" respectively, I would submit a Support Ticket. There is a good chance CCP would be able to look into your case and give you the missing SP, as the passive SP is supposed to be automatically activated on the first character you create.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5611
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:11:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
If you are ever one when I am I can give some pretty good starter competitive fits....I've been through the New Player experience about 7 times now creating various characters and themed builds.
It all depends on what you want to do with your time, in your game, and what bring you the most enjoyment, which in turn brings out better gameplay from you.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall.
For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach"
-Askura 10:3
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2078
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:23:00 -
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10,000,000 is the magic number (with every bit properly invested) to have a single, worthy fitting.
Beer before Liquor, never sicker.
Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
576
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:43:00 -
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I can help you out with some of the costs of testing gear to find out what direction you want to go, sending a million isk right now.
CLEAR THE AREA BEFORE GOING FOR THE REVIVE!
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Corrupted Files
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:06:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:I can help you out with some of the costs of testing gear to find out what direction you want to go, sending a million isk right now.
Thanks! I'm thinking I'm going to stick with Minmitar, I like that the assault is faster than the others and I'm used to it from my starter fits. |
Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
793
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:12:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:The Infected One wrote:I can help you out with some of the costs of testing gear to find out what direction you want to go, sending a million isk right now. Thanks! I'm thinking I'm going to stick with Minmitar, I like that the assault is faster than the others and I'm used to it from my starter fits.
Honestly the minmitar assault is horrible. Truly, truly horrible. It might be made better with the new patch whenever it comes out but trust me on this: it is horrible now. It's so bad even though I have proto everything and have been running the minmitar assault since the first day it was in the game I've switched to a new suit and it's better than my proto minnie suit even though it's only advanced.
EDIT: It's really, really horrible.
DOUBLE EDIT:The only way it isn't horrible is if you have no intention of ever shooting anyone in the face. If you want to spend the entire game sneaking around it's pretty good for that but if you want to go 1v1 vs anyone it face to face you will die.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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The Robot Devil
molon labe.
Public Disorder.
1527
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:25:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Starter fits can do well if you put SP into core skills-shields, armor, cpu, and PG-and then into the weapon you like to use. There is no need to get into a prototype suit if you can't use the supporting modules and a good weapon. You can make ISK on standard suit and they offer more customization. Find a fit you like by experimenting with modules and still make enough money to turn a profit.
After making some ISK and saving some SP you can start to put some SP into skills that compliment your style. Don't jump around too much and it isn't as bad as it seems right now. A level one skill will let you get a feel for the item. The biggest thing I can tell you is to try to find a good group to run with, have fun and don't let it get you down. If you specialize in one weapon for a while it will perform better than a couple of weapons with only a few points allocated. Do what you like and don't chase the new special fit.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
277
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:34:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:The Infected One wrote:I can help you out with some of the costs of testing gear to find out what direction you want to go, sending a million isk right now. Thanks! I'm thinking I'm going to stick with Minmitar, I like that the assault is faster than the others and I'm used to it from my starter fits.
welcome minmatar brother. finding other good players to play with, trumps any amount of sp. i myself enjoy helping new players and will help you out in-game if you're looking for advice. join chat channel "carbon 7 intel" and ill keep an eye out for you.
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sira draco
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:48:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Leave now while you still can. Give it up before it becomes a worthless addiction. It's too late for us.
I agree, leave now and find a better game
These problems that you cite will still exist even when you have 10 million sp. The only success is to run FOTM which is boring and ruining the game because most players are using FOTM, ccp doesnt give **** about balance, this game will never be balanced or competitive |
Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1616
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:49:00 -
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6 million SP. u want core skills up to lvl 3 at least, complex tank modules, complex dmg mods, and an adv tier 2 suit and and lvl 4 in your weapon of choice. having nanocircuitry to lvl 3 is also a good idea so you can get the k-2 hives or a kin02 injector.
to make the money to run proto all the time, you have to become part of a very succesfull (in PC) corp that pays its mercs weekly. Moderately succesful corps with maybe 40 members and 10 districts often pay 25 mil/week to the most active PC players, and corps with >25 districts have been known to give 150 mil to core members.
but if you've been around for awhile and people know you're good, you can also ring in PC battles for (usually) 2-7 mil, and some corps will offer sign on bonuses to you (i got 50 mil from STB just for showing up for 1 month + 10 mil/battle [tanker, here]).
Really, you've gotta be very active, very good, and a social butterfly with a good forum presence to run proto every battle.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
810
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:05:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
(assuming your going minmatar)
don't worry too much, in a few weeks we will get 5x the sp and the sp cap will be 3x so you will earn a lot of sp, but train for what ever you want, IMO i like minmatar and i love my combat rifle so i usually hit-and-run or i kill multpe people in one group before dieing.
you want to train to at least lvl 3 shield extenders, and lvl 3 armor, but also try to get basic kinetics since minmatar are speed and shield tankers with some similar armor since they dual tank.
do your best top at least get an advanced suit, and an advanced or higher weapon even if you wont use prototype (the bonus helps a lot)
like always put skills into core skills like electronics, engineering, and etc.
i have a lot of fun fighting in my minmatar starter frames siince they are decently fast and i change all slots to just shield extenders and i switched the weapon to a combat rifle.
note: skill into what ever you want
if you want to die less then be a logi and skill into rep tools, nanite injecter, and uplinks. they will give you WP easily
since i also use scouts im use to tactics and strategies, so if your a smart player on the battle field and your good at going about the map slightly undetected then it would be good to practice that and it also helps to stick with the team most of the time (unless your being proto stomped)
try to make your fits effective and cheap as possible(at least 10k and under) this way you wont go too isk negative and you will be decently more effective
practice makes perfect and in this game it matters a lot with what your good at so just get use to whatever you do best on the battle field.
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
35
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:57:00 -
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If you know the role you intend on pursuing, I would say 5-7.5 million SP
CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division
Don't let me into my zone.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
373
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:24:00 -
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well first off the game mechanics arnt like other shooters, as in it doesnt feel like other shooters .aim ttk recoil , but after getting comfy with game about 2 weeks and getttin about 2 mil i did well.
1.0 kd which is exactly average
just be wise of using it allget std in the suit you want standard in the weapon you want
then get lvl 3 in armor and shields
then after that it becomes more of how your building your character
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
373
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:30:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:i stopped counting SP after 11 mil but that was because i was both assault and pilot. if you choose one role after 6-9mil sp imo is effective. even with 11mil i wasn't able to max out both roles but didn't feel it was extremely neccessary for like a 5% better chance in both roles.
i've also been vocal about the isk issue you have. there is no fun in this game grinding isk to just try and survive. it was a good concept at first but is fundamently unfun and flawed in so many ways i;d have to make another new post about it to go into detail
dont try to grind isk
its where the hatred of the game comes from
run standard fits their cheap and a lot better than mlt
get everything your going to use to std
its affordable and fun
then blow your saved isk when theirs a cool event or you and some friends feel like it
Proud Christian
one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
117
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:42:00 -
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If you spend your points wisely (READ: not christmas tree'ing you skills), you should stop being deadweight in a firefight around 3M, reliable around 5-6M, and somewhat/competitive at 8+ |
Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
314
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:17:00 -
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Corrupted Files wrote:So I've had my account for a while but due to being away for 3 weeks at a time for work, and having a family to take care of when I'm home, I haven't really had much time to play.
I just recently learned that I had to activate my passive SP gain on this character and thus have lost out on months of passive SP.
How much SP is required to be even moderately competitive, and how does one go about making some money to buy all this expensive gear? I think I have around 600,000 isk right now but any time I run anything that costs me money, I just end up losing it and going negative for cash flow each game.
I've been doing a lot of reading on the skills and I'm thinking that I'm just going to spend points into skills that add stats to all my suits instead of trying to specialize right now, and keep getting my face smashed in in these starter fits to make some money, but its hard to even think of buying something to test when its so expensive and I'm only really earning around 100k per match.
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Smart, but there's 3 ways to spread your skill points in order to many any suit good.
#1 is to put it in the dropsuit itself, pick a specific dropsuit type, max it out, and then you get a damn good permanent bonus to whatever suit of that type you use, I did this first but that's because I had like 3 million to drop (it takes around 3.7 million to get something like minmatar assault suits to level 5)
#2 is to put it into dropsuit upgrades, specifically armor, shields, dropsuit PG and CPU, and speed, giving a permanent boost (and access to good modules and giving you the room to put them on the suits) to all of the core systems, this is by far the most time consuming and expensive, to get all skills in dropsuit upgrades to maximum it costs 21 million, without equipment skills it's 16, if you avoid things like biotics and some shield or armor module training then it might come down to about 10 million.
#3 is weapons, find a weapon you like and get the core skills with it up, procifiency, rapid reload, etc. if you were to get operation to 5 and all second tier weapon training to 3 (good enough) it will cost around 1.5-2 million, this will make any basic gun about as good as a high leveled one, without the extra cost in money.
Eventually you want all 3 of these, but i'm at about 25 million and I'm still not done, so my advice would be to find a gun that you like, Maybe make alternate characters and put all of their points into a specific gun type and try it out for a bit. Once you find one that you like, get it into working condition, put 1 point into it, 3 at the most, just enough so you can use it, you can get your aiming up, learn about the gun itself. If you can be good with a crappy gun, you're going to be great with a decent gun.
Once you have that, start working on the suit, and then work on getting armor and shields up, put points into engineering and electronics to give yourself more room on your suits, and modify as needed to take care of any obstacles you may encounter.
Some people have suggested, instead of going defense and core to go all damage, get damage modifiers and weapon skills and be a glass cannon, idk how this works but might be worth a try, will probably cost you some isk though.
To get into a condition where you might feel like you're functioning and contributing, when you're not considered a "noob" anymore, probably between 5-8 million SP, until then you will probably need to put up with some torture. With boosters this could probably be done in about 3 months, without them...longer. If it becomes too tough and annoying for ya there's no need to rage quit, just keep in on the back burner for a while, I have an alternate account collecting passive SP that I rarely use and even he is at about 5.5 mil now.
This game requires alot of studying and adapting but more than anything it requires patience, this game is not friendly to new players right now and I hope that changes soon but until then the plan is to just tough it out.
P.S. right now armor is king, the combat rifle is badass if you're a good shot, smg is also good if you don't want to spend alot of cash, running logistics and not worrying about your kill/death ratio is viable and very rewarding (good combat medics are loved!), and find the leaked info on the infantry dropsuit skill changes and plan accordingly, the next update should be very interesting.
Amarr = Armor and shield tanking, laser weaponry (good against shields, crap against armor)
Gallente = Armor tanking, plasma weaponry (short range, tilted towards shield damage)
Caldari = Shield tanking, rail weaponry (long range, tilted towards armor)
Minmatar = lowest armor and shields but good speed, projectile weaponry (medium range, tilted towards armor) and explosive weaponry (area of effect, crap against shields, destroys armor).
Lemme know if you have any questions, been around for a while and I make sure to keep well informed.
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