DUST Search - what are the conditions for having a "good game?"

Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:

DeathwindRising wrote:

the best games ive had were when both teams were of similar skill, using similar gear. boths teams didnt have anyone not in a squad either.

i havent had one of these games in months now...

the whole match can be decided in the first 60 seconds 90% of the time, and usually leads to one side "giving up" and either not spawning into the match or simply hiding for the remainder of the match.

two games i enjoyed in the past were Call of Duty and the Battlefield series. why?

in COD you have tight maps that helps limit the amount of "traveling" a player needs to do to get back into the action.
Dust maps are in a weird place because theyre too big for infantry and too small for vehicles now that vehicles are faster. but as in Battlefield, we need bigger maps for vehicles, but we also need to keep "travel time" to a minimum.

I suggest we have drop pods that can be purchased for isk and used to spawn into the match. they should be weak and should be easily destroyed by vehicles if theyre spotted and can only be used to deploy outside, but they would allow players to minimize the time spent out of the action by being forced to travel large distances do to either no uplinks or being redlined.

another thing we need is a way to actively manipulate the environment. We things like gates to keep out vehicles, and doors for keeping out infantry. it makes no sense that if a district fell under attack, everyone opens the gates and leaves open all the doors. we gates and doors that can be activated and deactivated, destroyed, or hacked.

its not fun when you have to run across the map everytime you die because the uplink you dropped was destroyed when ONE guy scanned the area and revealed all you teams uplinks. its not fun when you cant leave a building because there are 5 tanks outside.

idk ccp... i know that there are many solutions to the frustrations many player are having with dust right now, but alot of it is just basic stuff for a game like this. anyways im done ranting

Hopefully GÇö bigger maps, MAVs, speeders, more contrast to terrain.

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DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 192	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:23:00 - [1] - Quote the best games ive had were when both teams were of similar skill, using similar gear. boths teams didnt have anyone not in a squad either. i havent had one of these games in months now... the whole match can be decided in the first 60 seconds 90% of the time, and usually leads to one side "giving up" and either not spawning into the match or simply hiding for the remainder of the match. two games i enjoyed in the past were Call of Duty and the Battlefield series. why? in COD you have tight maps that helps limit the amount of "traveling" a player needs to do to get back into the action. Dust maps are in a weird place because theyre too big for infantry and too small for vehicles now that vehicles are faster. but as in Battlefield, we need bigger maps for vehicles, but we also need to keep "travel time" to a minimum. I suggest we have drop pods that can be purchased for isk and used to spawn into the match. they should be weak and should be easily destroyed by vehicles if theyre spotted and can only be used to deploy outside, but they would allow players to minimize the time spent out of the action by being forced to travel large distances do to either no uplinks or being redlined. another thing we need is a way to actively manipulate the environment. We things like gates to keep out vehicles, and doors for keeping out infantry. it makes no sense that if a district fell under attack, everyone opens the gates and leaves open all the doors. we gates and doors that can be activated and deactivated, destroyed, or hacked. its not fun when you have to run across the map everytime you die because the uplink you dropped was destroyed when ONE guy scanned the area and revealed all you teams uplinks. its not fun when you cant leave a building because there are 5 tanks outside. idk ccp... i know that there are many solutions to the frustrations many player are having with dust right now, but alot of it is just basic stuff for a game like this. anyways im done ranting
Kingseeker Kobra Expert Intervention Caldari State 59	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:32:00 - [2] - Quote travel time is 0 when you have properly placed uplinks learn2play Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 9	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:37:00 - [3] - Quote I think the best kind of games are the fast frantic - red dots and blue dots diying left and right - fair fights that you get from time to time. The other day I was in a battle where it was like this, the red dots had the upper hand on both clone count and MCC damage, just as we started taking armour MCC damage, our team managed to push back and we ended up taking the win by a few ticks on the MCC and we had just enough clones to do it. It was a great battle, both teams had less than 30 clones left from the original 150.
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 74	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:33:00 - [4] - Quote When someone doesnt give up and still trys no matter the odds they deserve acknowledgement . Also when your buddy is on the other side getting pub stomped because the teams are way too unbalanced you gotta be nice and send him a gg lol I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2520	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:47:00 - [5] - Quote Strife and urgency. When I first started playing dust I hoped creativity would be in the mix. I like your idea about gates and doors. With luck well one day get more interactive maps. HellsGÇáorm, Director Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
abarkrishna WarRavens 262	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:06:00 - [6] - Quote The ones without 6 enemy tanks and the rest dropships and snipers. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2470	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:20:00 - [7] - Quote Fighting MLT scouts who are AFK "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 260	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:28:00 - [8] - Quote I had a good match the other day, the enemy clone count hit 0 the same time we had one bar of health left on our MCC, so it was just a gambel if the game would relise we won before the last null cannon shot impacted. We lost but it was so close that you could feel the tention.
TunRa NEW OMENS 357	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:41:00 - [9] - Quote I agree we need gates and doors that open/close because in timesplitters assault mode was a hell of a lot of fun. And in the level editor you could design maps around choke points and clever ways to force the enemy to come to one spot to get to a X panel that opened x door. Thanks CCP Foxfour
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 193	Posted - 2014.01.12 15:42:00 - [10] - Quote Kingseeker Kobra wrote: travel time is 0 when you have properly placed uplinks learn2play the Eye of Sauron sees all dropships with scanners or even regular scanners reveal everything and ive even destroy uplink i scanned from under or "outside" the map. it just doesnt matter where you put them. if its on the map ill find it.

Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:03:00 - [11] - Quote 1. When its close. 2. When there are no tanks on either side.
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 193	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:05:00 - [12] - Quote surprisingly, alot of those great matches also paid the best too. i may have lost a ton of isk to get a particular win but i feel it was isk well spent for the thrill of a great fight. one thing i think doesnt help dust is that we are all forced to earn our isk through pvp. you talk to some Eve pilots and most of them will tell you how broke they are. pvp was always an isk sink and in dust we've been given the isk sink without the isk generator. since the new players dont have isk they have to run crappy gear to make a profit, but then that means somebodies team is getting stuck with poorly funded dudes without the isk to get better gear or to keep running it when they do have better gear. i think thats why people run to the redline and shipe, because theyre still want to turn a profit somehow. in eve i run missions when i need isk. when i have enough isk i pvp. when the isk runs low again i go back to running missions. the cycle doesnt exist in dust yet and that probably hurts everyone in the long run. alot of the time i feel like the team im fighting are all battle hardened space marines armed with the best gear, while my team is a bunch of jungle tribesmen armed with sticks and stones.
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 193	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:07:00 - [13] - Quote Bar Be wrote: 1. When its close. 2. When there are no tanks on either side. i dont mind the tanks when things are fair. both teams having tanks struggling to take each other out while supporting their infantry is an awesome sight. and it usually means they dont have time to stomp on infantry... usually lol
Bar Be Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:27:00 - [14] - Quote Fair point. A little rage leaked out there... However 2. is usually a prerequisite for 1....
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 801	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:50:00 - [15] - Quote I've been forced into PC slavery because the wrong person got a "GG" in the mail... GG's are no jokes
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 426	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:04:00 - [16] - Quote Good games for me are games that i find iv accomplished my goal or role for that match regardless how how the overall team does or when both teams are neck and neck with each other;reminds me of th FW i played last night where both conditions were met and i had a surprisingly passivise feeling i dont feel to often most matches of Dust. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 487	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:19:00 - [17] - Quote My best games is when their are two teams of competent players instead of guys shooting the mcc. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Zirzo Valcyn Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:55:00 - [18] - Quote dust is flawed because like OP said one side just gives up, this happens 3 out of 5 matches. the problem is there is no real reward in get 1000-2000 more SP for trying really hard. you don't need to play to get SP. so why try hard ever why to waste your isk dying so you have to try even harder to gain it back. if there was not a worry about isk and you actually got rewarded more SP for playing aggressively then players would fight each other, but as you said one side just gives up, no pointing in wasting your isk for a measily 1000 more SP in battlefield and COD your rewarded faster progression for playing aggressively and not have to worry about restocking your suits so everyone fights hard for the fun and the progression. in dust it's either your a tryhard whining when no one is holding your hand or you do what all the smart ppl do and just back off when it's another hopeless fight. it's a fundamentally flawed game. the only option is to join FW or PC where all the serious yet extremely annoying fanboys reside. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
The Baby Shaker Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote The best games are when both teams are actually balanced and full of tryhards. The matches are intense, payouts are better (still lose more than i make lol) and its almost as good as pc. I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
Dericha A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:29:00 - [20] - Quote Where there's movement. Objectives are changing hands, squads need to regroup and select targets, and someone has enough AV to make the tanks move. Also, there are no forge gunners or Thale's on the towers (largely taken care of with the last patch)

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2060	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:49:00 - [21] - Quote Can someone please explain why bf and cod are used as examples for anything other than generic fps than you can find going back years on any platform. Those two games are poor uses for an example of anything remotely decent or unique. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5582	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:13:00 - [22] - Quote Where all the normal sense of FPS is thrown out the window and people try to embrace the inner immortal clone merc. People will throw themselves in squads onto objectives to clear them, instigating some of the most intense fire fights you could imagine, it is non stop, and if you aren't watching out them you die. Sig wanted......
Scheneighnay McBob Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3548	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:51:00 - [23] - Quote Good games for me are when both teams used smart, but not cheap, tactics. Everyone sticking to cover with logibros, for example. We used to have a time machine
Horizen Kenpachi TACTICAL STRIKE ELITE 89	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:06:00 - [24] - Quote When the stars allign and u and ur random blueberries stomp a corp of protos to the point u see them in mlt fits getting tea bagged at their redline it dos happen Hit me with your nerf bat.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 891	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:11:00 - [25] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: what are the conditions for having a "good game"? x/0 /thread {:)}{3GÇó> Please help me save the Gal scout!: linky
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1022	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:20:00 - [26] - Quote Kingseeker Kobra wrote: travel time is 0 when you have properly placed uplinks learn2play Great, now we just have to tell that to the other 4,000or so players and the game will be great! Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1022	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:24:00 - [27] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: the best games ive had were when both teams were of similar skill, using similar gear. boths teams didnt have anyone not in a squad either. i havent had one of these games in months now... the whole match can be decided in the first 60 seconds 90% of the time, and usually leads to one side "giving up" and either not spawning into the match or simply hiding for the remainder of the match. two games i enjoyed in the past were Call of Duty and the Battlefield series. why? in COD you have tight maps that helps limit the amount of "traveling" a player needs to do to get back into the action. Dust maps are in a weird place because theyre too big for infantry and too small for vehicles now that vehicles are faster. but as in Battlefield, we need bigger maps for vehicles, but we also need to keep "travel time" to a minimum. I suggest we have drop pods that can be purchased for isk and used to spawn into the match. they should be weak and should be easily destroyed by vehicles if theyre spotted and can only be used to deploy outside, but they would allow players to minimize the time spent out of the action by being forced to travel large distances do to either no uplinks or being redlined. another thing we need is a way to actively manipulate the environment. We things like gates to keep out vehicles, and doors for keeping out infantry. it makes no sense that if a district fell under attack, everyone opens the gates and leaves open all the doors. we gates and doors that can be activated and deactivated, destroyed, or hacked. its not fun when you have to run across the map everytime you die because the uplink you dropped was destroyed when ONE guy scanned the area and revealed all you teams uplinks. its not fun when you cant leave a building because there are 5 tanks outside. idk ccp... i know that there are many solutions to the frustrations many player are having with dust right now, but alot of it is just basic stuff for a game like this. anyways im done ranting Hopefully GÇö bigger maps, MAVs, speeders, more contrast to terrain. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES 196	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:49:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: the best games ive had were when both teams were of similar skill, using similar gear. boths teams didnt have anyone not in a squad either. i havent had one of these games in months now... the whole match can be decided in the first 60 seconds 90% of the time, and usually leads to one side "giving up" and either not spawning into the match or simply hiding for the remainder of the match. two games i enjoyed in the past were Call of Duty and the Battlefield series. why? in COD you have tight maps that helps limit the amount of "traveling" a player needs to do to get back into the action. Dust maps are in a weird place because theyre too big for infantry and too small for vehicles now that vehicles are faster. but as in Battlefield, we need bigger maps for vehicles, but we also need to keep "travel time" to a minimum. I suggest we have drop pods that can be purchased for isk and used to spawn into the match. they should be weak and should be easily destroyed by vehicles if theyre spotted and can only be used to deploy outside, but they would allow players to minimize the time spent out of the action by being forced to travel large distances do to either no uplinks or being redlined. another thing we need is a way to actively manipulate the environment. We things like gates to keep out vehicles, and doors for keeping out infantry. it makes no sense that if a district fell under attack, everyone opens the gates and leaves open all the doors. we gates and doors that can be activated and deactivated, destroyed, or hacked. its not fun when you have to run across the map everytime you die because the uplink you dropped was destroyed when ONE guy scanned the area and revealed all you teams uplinks. its not fun when you cant leave a building because there are 5 tanks outside. idk ccp... i know that there are many solutions to the frustrations many player are having with dust right now, but alot of it is just basic stuff for a game like this. anyways im done ranting Hopefully GÇö bigger maps, MAVs, speeders, more contrast to terrain. biggers maps will become a burden if we dont have a way to reasonably get into the action after dying. if you get redlined and your team lost all their uplinks for an area, suddenly youll find yourself having to march across the map on foot. you spend more time "chasing" the action rather than being part of it. people say just use uplinks, but uplinks are a primary target and are easily scanned and camped. we need an alternative to uplinks for getting back into a fight without having to march across the map everytime. i agree that we need bigger maps for vehicles.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2079	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:54:00 - [29] - Quote When my team gives up, I cash in. Scout suit with Uplinks, hacking away from the zerg, switching to Heavy and mowing them down one by one when they come to **** with the "dumb solo random". Eventually, I die. Back to the Scout with Uplinks and the other end of the map. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary. Beer before Liquor, never sicker. Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 57	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:59:00 - [30] - Quote I've had a number of games where despite loosing, I felt a supreme sense of satisfaction as I saw squads moving together, using cover, and playing well to each suit's strengths. I lost and there was nothing I could do. They did everything right and knew how to cover each other, watch each other's back, snipe from cover, good spacingGÇªand even a Logi supporting the fight in all his yellow-suited gloryGÇª My squad and team fought valiantly, We worked together too and gave them more than a few last stands to remember, but we were out of our league in the best way possible. I lost, but those losses showed me the game I want to play is still here. And I got to see it.



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