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B1G Boss
From The Mist
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:09:00 -
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As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP?
I like killing stuff while I relax. So that's why I'm in From The Mist.
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
790
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:21:00 -
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B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP?
cus multiple hardeners means invincibility, which means they have a get out of jail free card that they can abuse.
That's "MR." Pothead to you.
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B1G Boss
From The Mist
13
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:23:00 -
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bad tank bad tank
I like killing stuff while I relax. So that's why I'm in From The Mist.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3936
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:32:00 -
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1:Cost too litle.
2: are too fast.
My personal opinion.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5572
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:02:00 -
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B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP?
They aren't. Individually tanks are weak.
However accessibility has made tanks spammable.
All you even need to take out any vehicle on the map is a Sica with and MLT turret.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11969
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:03:00 -
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For me lately? The hostile Infantry surrounding them.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3374
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:03:00 -
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inb4 tankers saying "Get Gud"
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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B1G Boss
From The Mist
13
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Posted - 2014.01.12 07:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP? They aren't. Individually tanks are weak. However accessibility has made tanks spammable. All you even need to take out any vehicle on the map is a Sica with and MLT turret.
But the thing is you should be able to destroy a tank with AV. Not another tank.
I like killing stuff while I relax. So that's why I'm in From The Mist.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
203
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:23:00 -
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They aren't. You only perceive them to be because they've had 6+ months of being absolute crap, now things are a lot closer to balance. |
Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:32:00 -
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At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive. |
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:33:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP? cus multiple hardeners means invincibility, which means they have a get out of jail free card that they can abuse.
Tanks with double hardeners? I've seen plenty of them go down to infantry fire in under 20 seconds.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3940
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:36:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive.
I have never seen anyone stupid enough to just sit and take that much AV without running away or activating hardeners, and if he does he's insane.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5575
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:37:00 -
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B1G Boss wrote:True Adamance wrote:B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP? They aren't. Individually tanks are weak. However accessibility has made tanks spammable. All you even need to take out any vehicle on the map is a Sica with and MLT turret. But the thing is you should be able to destroy a tank with AV. Not another tank.
Yeah I agree with that but not nearly in the same way you could back in 1.6.
AV was too potent at the time to allow tanks to compete with 400m locking swarms and rapid firing forge guns....
AV could have its damages returned to normal to compensate I feel but not really any more or less will do.
Tanks in 1.6 were too cumbersome and expensive to be used effectively which is why you only saw dedicated and skilled tankers using them.
Now the opposite is true. There is no weight to tanks, nor SP requirement so all you see are poor infantrymen trying to farm kills out of rather powerful vehicle units.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:44:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive. I have never seen anyone stupid enough to just sit and take that much AV without running away or activating hardeners, and if he does he's insane.
But what about while it's getting deployed. Or 2 proto swarmers hop out of an LAV right after your hardeners hit cooldown (except triple hardenered builds). Plates and extenders are only there to give you enough time to react, alone they dont amount to much.
And I have seen nobes who think stacking extenders and plates is the way to go. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3942
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Posted - 2014.01.12 09:48:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive. I have never seen anyone stupid enough to just sit and take that much AV without running away or activating hardeners, and if he does he's insane. But what about while it's getting deployed. Or 2 proto swarmers hop out of an LAV right after your hardeners hit cooldown (except triple hardenered builds). Plates and extenders are only there to give you enough time to react, alone they dont amount to much.
Which is sad, extra health should be useful not useless, and if someone catches you when your hardeners are off it's a misjudgment on your part and you deserve to be killed.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
114
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:00:00 -
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I agree. Was just trying to answer the OP's question. |
Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
102
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:01:00 -
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Speed.
Firepower.
Blasters can handle all enemy types.
Hardeners nullify all AV save rail cannons.
Hardener scan be cycled for extended windows of invincibility.
Third person view renders sneak attacks unviable.
Cost of loss is negligible.
Scanners on vehicles are crazy good.
From experience, one tank is workable, two is a real issue, more than that is carnage for the opposing team.
Dedicated Commando.
So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
79
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me lately? The hostile Infantry surrounding them.
How many?
And how properly skilled do those infantry happen to be?
Have you been in many matches with one side fielding >1 tanks more than the other? You'd know, then, the likelihood of losing with superiority of armor (that's cheaper than most ADV infantry) is very small.
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
79
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:24:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me lately? The hostile Infantry surrounding them.
Also, this was true enough before 1.7, although at that tanks point didn't dominate everything that happened in a match.
Don't pretend there's equivalence here. Infantry who go AV have to sacrifice a grenade slot or a light weapon slot or both. This means not killing other infantry in order to confront tanks, and not even one of these choices is enough to take down a tank.
Tankers sacrifice nothing: blasters kill infantry, railguns kill slightly less infantry, and both can fight other tanks better than any infantry.
Let's not even start to pretend like this is balanced. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
79
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:25:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:They aren't. You only perceive them to be because they've had 6+ months of being absolute crap, now things are a lot closer to balance.
Farther. Just, in the other direction.
There are none so blind as those who *will* not see, |
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Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
105
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:26:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me lately? The hostile Infantry surrounding them. Also, this was true enough before 1.7, although at that tanks point didn't dominate everything that happened in a match. Don't pretend there's equivalence here. Infantry who go AV have to sacrifice a grenade slot or a light weapon slot or both. This means not killing other infantry in order to confront tanks, and not even one of these choices is enough to take down a tank. Tankers sacrifice nothing: blasters kill infantry, railguns kill slightly less infantry, and both can fight other tanks better than any infantry. Let's not even start to pretend like this is balanced.
Amen to that. +1.
Dedicated Commando.
So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
80
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:32:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive.
Listen to yourself. 6 volleys? if hardeners or nitro AREN'T active?
Really?
What you're saying is that any tanker whatsoever should get off scott free almost without regard for the other team.
Considering how fast tanks are, any situation-aware tanker should be able to get away before 3 opposing infantry get off 6 volleys combined. Now your team has sacrificed one (you) tanker for three swarmers.
What do you think your other infantry are going to do to that team, now with a +2 advantage in AP infantry?
What do you think will happen after the <60 seconds it'll take for the opposing AV infantry to die without any kills of their own, beckoning you to come back and continue the pointless slaughter?
If you think that's balanced, you need to take some harder drugs to spin your head farther than the 180 degrees its already gone. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:46:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:They aren't. You only perceive them to be because they've had 6+ months of being absolute crap, now things are a lot closer to balance.
Absolute crap? They spent as much as a proto suit- at least- and never expected to treat it with the same care that a squad might necessarily provide for any other proto suit?
Did tankers think they could go on their own and fare any better than proto-equipped infantry?
Apparently, now that they can, the answer is "yes." Let's hear for genuine, intellectually-honest narcissism.
I've been a protobear plenty often myself, and it certainly isn't a "pwn-everyone" pass.
Before 1.7, though, many have said to them: "HTFU."
I didn't say any such thing myself, having been killed by many-a tank turret, since clearly they weren't really useless before.
Now: I say that it is unbalanced.
Maybe MLT tanks have not nearly the risk/reward ratio of MLT infantry to consider, or maybe higher-level tanks are harder to kill than any reasonable assessment should allow, but either way, your comment sucks.
Think again.
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:49:00 -
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B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP?
http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/32810/
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LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:50:00 -
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I really like how many people cry about tanks.... It makes me wanna buy 500 more maddys  |
LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:55:00 -
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Cry infantry cry |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 11:59:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:At a basic level all vehicles are weak. Even now a single proto swarmer can kill any tank in less than 6 volleys if hardeners or nitro isn't active. All of our modules are meant to give us a chance to survive against AV. 1 slot dedicated to killing vs 4+ dedicated to surviving. Adding in the grid management and core calibration skills to lower vulnerability, its 3 skills to kill vs 10 to survive.
Once upon a time, I could crash a militia murder jeep trying to run me over with a couple AV grenades. BOOM, kill.
Now, the same jeep isn't likely to kill me, but I am sure not to blow them up as they might have been.
This doesn't tell the whole story about balance- I appreciate the readjustment regarding murderLAVs- but is isn't exactly like those fitting AV grenades changes as well with that update.
Now, those of us left to that end get stuck in out end out in the vast, unseeming DUST. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:00:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:I really like how many people cry about tanks.... It makes me wanna buy 500 more maddys
How many of them do you think you'd go through before this game goes belly-up?
Tell us. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:04:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:Cry infantry cry
One time, infantry said the same.
I didn't pile on, so you're welcome.
Now? How long do you want DUST to last?
A year? That's already up. Open beta started looong ago.
Two years? Have fun with out me. I wouldn't be so smug in saying so if others weren't clearly without me.
Every dog has his day. You haven't, and you have.
You can do something that shows you can give a ****, or you can do something that shows you'd rather be king of the hill before that hill disappears rather soon.
Choose. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2199
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:04:00 -
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Tanks are OP because its no longer ARSCAN514 and they happen to be useful
Intelligence is OP
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LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:05:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:I really like how many people cry about tanks.... It makes me wanna buy 500 more maddys How many of them do you think you'd go through before this game goes belly-up? Tell us.
Even if they nerf tans again I'm still gonna stomp infantry like I used to stomp them pre 1.7 and now  |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
519
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:06:00 -
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Well AV is so severely lacking that tanks were made OP.
We need webifiers to slow these cheetahs down and emps to break through active mods. I don't know why AV was nerfed before any of these were released.
CCP designed tanks and AV very poorly. |
LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:09:00 -
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Its not the tank fitting ,,....it's the skill. so Im gonna only run blasters in domination with few more frendly rail tank's so try to take me down with your lol swarms,lol nades hahaha your'e gonna be food for my blaster |
negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
485
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:44:00 -
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too effective for their price
Dedicated Shotgun Scout
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:47:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:I really like how many people cry about tanks.... It makes me wanna buy 500 more maddys How many of them do you think you'd go through before this game goes belly-up? Tell us. Even if they nerf tans again I'm still gonna stomp infantry like I used to stomp them pre 1.7 and now
You hope.
Pendulums swing.
Enjoy it in the meantime. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:48:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:Its not the tank fitting ,,....it's the skill. so Im gonna only run blasters in domination with few more frendly rail tank's so try to take me down with your lol swarms,lol nades hahaha your'e gonna be food for my blaster
Point proven |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
81
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Posted - 2014.01.12 12:52:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Tanks are OP because its no longer ARSCAN514 and they happen to be useful
Remember a year ago?
AR and SCAN used to be two different things.
Assault was the former, and scan was the former.
Maybe we should go back to that,,, but that would take help from the CCP devs, wouldn't it?
They wouldn't help... would they? |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1665
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Posted - 2014.01.12 13:20:00 -
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B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP?
Tanks aren't so hard when you have a railgun.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11994
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:59:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:For me lately? The hostile Infantry surrounding them. How many? And how properly skilled do those infantry happen to be? Have you been in many matches with one side fielding >1 tanks more than the other? You'd know, then, the likelihood of losing with superiority of armor (that's cheaper than most ADV infantry) is very small.
5-6 infantry that hug the tanks, but it only takes one to screw me over, the tank pilots lately are inattentive and lazy because of it but that one guy with an anti peeple gun kills me before I get done throwing all the charges on it.
Give mew two fluxes and one plasma cannon and I can down most shield tanks, 4-5 charges and starting his panic with a flux and plasma cannon shot is more than enough to finish him off.
This of course is me acting as solo AV. I still kill tanks solo with a forge gun, I still kill ADS with a forge gun (over confident pilots usually) Quick tip don't nail the dropship with an engine shot on the first forge shot, use it to soften the tank up without making the pilot totally freak out then go for the engine shot.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3380
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:01:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:B1G Boss wrote:As the title says why are tanks so goddamned OP? Tanks aren't so hard when you have a railgun.
Doesn't that make tanks OP?
Last time I checked, being the best (and sometimes only) counter to your role was OP.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3380
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:03:00 -
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negative49er wrote:too effective for their price
You could make tanks cost 5mil ISK and it wouldn't make a difference.
If the tanker isn't dying, then his tank is theoretically cost free once the match is over.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1194
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:negative49er wrote:too effective for their price You could make tanks cost 5mil ISK and it wouldn't make a difference. If the tanker isn't dying, then his tank is theoretically cost free once the match is over.
I die a lot why because no skill railguns hiding in the redline are OP and can kill most tanks very quickly.
Enemy tank spam I'll take out three to four tanks but the just keep coming
Smart AV people who don't try to solo me but put proxies in clusters where I am likely to go
Remotes do massive damage to me and kill me a lot
I would go broke if tanks costed 5 million
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
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DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:11:00 -
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Maybe cuz all of you av users abused your av all the time and the actual teamwork av users are gone...oh isk and sp difference |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3380
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:19:00 -
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DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote:Maybe cuz all of you av users abused your av all the time and the actual teamwork av users are gone...oh isk and sp difference
LOL ISK and SP difference.
And how did one "abuse" AV back then? Every-time I tried to fire 400m away, the Swarms would crash into a wall. 
Why use teamwork when HAVs don't require teamwork? Or when you get jack $#!t for doing it?
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3380
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:21:00 -
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LudiKure ninda wrote:Even if they nerf tans again I'm still gonna stomp infantry like I used to stomp them pre 1.7 and now
If that was the case, then why did you cry about AV so much?
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5578
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:LudiKure ninda wrote:Even if they nerf tans again I'm still gonna stomp infantry like I used to stomp them pre 1.7 and now If that was the case, then why did you cry about AV so much?
Because AV was out of control like Tanks are now.
Rendering issues were the worst aspect of it, and now are resolved, however Swarms should not have had a barrage capable of 400m lock ons, homing, 3 volleys in 6-9 seconds, and massive alpha against such slow and expensive vehicles.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3380
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:25:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
I die a lot why because no skill railguns hiding in the redline are OP and can kill most tanks very quickly.
Enemy tank spam I'll take out three to four tanks but the just keep coming
Smart AV people who don't try to solo me but put proxies in clusters where I am likely to go
Remotes do massive damage to me and kill me a lot
I would go broke if tanks costed 5 million
No skill? Since when has any turret required skill?
How many people does it take to drive that tank again?
Tank Spam is a consequence of your own actions. Have fun.
If you fall for the proxies with that loud beeping sound, then you need some serious help.
See above.
That makes two of us.
(Also, I'm not asking tanks to cost 5mil ISK, that was just an example)
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5578
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Posted - 2014.01.12 19:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:negative49er wrote:too effective for their price You could make tanks cost 5mil ISK and it wouldn't make a difference. If the tanker isn't dying, then his tank is theoretically cost free once the match is over.
Yet if he does die he is out 25-50 suits. Is that really fair knowing he will lose that to another tank eventually?
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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