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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.12 01:48:00 -
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Alright so I've dabbled in the art of the laser rifle and have been using its fullest potential or at least trying to. I've come to a few conclusions but also have questions I would like answered.
First. The laser rifle is very accurate, most in the game and competes at range pretty well with the other rifles. Unless the other rifle is a rail rifle or a charged scrambler, you're going to win every time at range. It is also a pretty good suppressive weapon. It makes enemies run for cover very well. However this weapon will not net you many kills. Many assists but not kills unfortunately.
The problem with using the weapon is that the laser is terrible once you hit the end of the optimal by 1 meter. It turns into 11% efficiency where the RR in the same range has a higher efficiency. Not only that but the efficiency is worse since it takes the base dmg of 17 of the laser. RR has the bigger dmg of 40+ so it's alot better at extreme ranges.
The biggest question I have currently is: What is your (CCP) thoughts about the role of the Laser?"
If you intend it to be a suppressive weapon like a mass driver then all I'd say needs to be done is increase the optimal range further so that it beats the RR at any range starting from the lasers optimal. This can be done by increasing it to 90-95m, so that the RR efficiency drops so much Below the laser that it can't compete with it. It is already good at getting people to run for cover so the dmg and everything else would stay the same. Just make it so it doesn't lose the the RR at its range.
TL;DR: If its suppose to be a suppressive fire weapon like the mass driver, increase its optimal so it doesn't Lose to the RR at extreme ranges
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1571
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Posted - 2014.01.12 16:41:00 -
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Increase the optimal and reduce the dropoff, it's ludicrous.
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Miko Ray
DUST University
Ivy League
29
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Posted - 2014.01.12 17:27:00 -
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Not a bad suggestion ... it gives the LR a better role. Range at the moment is a real issue. I find myself having to lag behind the pack when I use it in order to get the range I need in order to be effective. Then I get picked off quite quickly.
Drop off has to be fixed. I completely agree with that as well.
I'd like to see better incentive to upgrade through the available rifles. I'd also like to see pulse & beam variants.
Crystals for different range profiles would also mix it up a bit although it would make balance a nightmare.
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
376
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:12:00 -
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Miko Ray wrote:I'd like to see better incentive to upgrade through the available rifles.
You mean that having a greater ability to kill yourself with feedback isn't a nice incentive? 
Honestly, only the Laser Rifle gets a bigger drawback as it upgrades through the tiers.
Miko Ray wrote:I also like the idea of LR having temporary blinding capability for head shots - even if the damage is low.
This is an awesome idea. Who needs flash bangs when you've got a laser rifle and good aim?
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
32
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Posted - 2014.01.12 20:16:00 -
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Miko Ray wrote:Not a bad suggestion ... it gives the LR a better role. Range at the moment is a real issue. I find myself having to lag behind the pack when I use it in order to get the range I need in order to be effective. Then I get picked off quite quickly.
Drop off has to be fixed. I completely agree with that as well.
I'd like to see better incentive to upgrade through the available rifles. I'd also like to see pulse & beam variants.
Crystals for different range profiles would also mix it up a bit although it would make balance a nightmare.
[EDIT] .. I also like the idea of LR having temporary blinding capability for head shots - even if the damage is low.
The pulse varient already exists, its called the scrambler rifle. The laser rifle is the beam varient. I do like the idea of different crystals for different range, but caution would need to be used to make sure the weapon becomes balanced.
In the meantime however, the laser rifle is pitiful compared to the rail rifle, at short range. It is out ranged by the rail rifle at long range. And if you happen be in that sweet zone, then you stand a fighting chance (read: somewhat even). This all of course, is before considering the drawback of heat.
Back to the OP's point, yes, more range is needed. |
Jooki Chewaka
Stalking Wolfpack
77
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Posted - 2014.01.12 21:32:00 -
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more range is needed and also be effective on close range
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1957
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Posted - 2014.01.13 03:48:00 -
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The optimal range should be increased by a few meters on both ends.
There is also no reason to spec past level 1 unless you really want to have a couple levels of proficiency for when you use the standard LR. The passive bonus from the skill is useless and the tiers of the LR arguably gets worse at higher levels.
Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
Top Men.
140
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Posted - 2014.01.13 04:36:00 -
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The laser rifle should have its optimal range increased at one end (so it can beat the rail rifle at a very extreme long range)
Reduce the damage fall off for the laser rifle at close range and long range.
Give the laser rifle a larger Aim Down Sights zoom.
I suggest:
Make the rail rifle dominate the laser rifle at CQC and have a very large advantage in DPS below a range of roughly 20m.
Make the rail rifle have a moderate DPS advantage compared to the laser rifle roughly within the 20 to 40m range.
Make the rail rifle have a small DPS advantage compared to the laser rifle roughly within the 40 to 75m range.
Make the rail rifle and laser rifle have very similar DPS roughly within the 75 to 105m range. (I would prefer the rail rifle to have a higher DPS within this range).
Make the laser rifle do maximum damage per second roughly within the 105 to 155m range.
Make the laser rifle have a gradual damage fall off roughly within the 155 to 175m range.
Make the laser rifle do minimal damage beyond 175m.
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Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
12
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:05:00 -
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to be honest the Laser rifle needs to be the Amarr Sniper weapon in the game with the old scope and new zoom for its longer range its base damage needs to increase by 1 per tier and the feed back damage needs to be reduced to 50 on all the versions also the beam effect that every one can see needs to go has well possibly replaced by a flair effect on the point in witch the beam is hitting to give some clue to other players to the location of the laser rifle. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1073
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:23:00 -
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Agree on all points.
But since CCP listens more to lower player counts than feedback threads I am not going to play Dust 514 until the beam laser is viable instead of being DEAD.
I.e. played 1.7 for TWO HOURS.
See ya in 1.8 and if no fix then guess its probably play TWO HOURS then see ya in 1.9
2.0??
Problem is by March/April theres Metal Gear, FFX HD and hopefully Planetside 2(PS4 ) so if thats the case then goodby PS3 and bye to Dust 514.
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
544
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Posted - 2014.01.13 05:33:00 -
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I have to agree with this. I made an alt specificly for the laser rifle and its only been going down hill for the poor rilfe. I always envisioned the laser to be that mid point between the assault rifles and sniper rifle range wise. it should have a damage reduction from 0m leading to around 60m then start doing full damage then go out to a good 100-140m before dropping off again. and there still isn't really a reason to use anything except the standard due to the minimal difference between tiers.
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Ralden Caster
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
23
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Posted - 2014.01.13 06:53:00 -
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More zoom fidelity. This is what made it rock in chroma.
And now the Forge Gun is little more than a dust collector, no pun intended.
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