One more quick thing on this subject, as I believe Attim already mentioned, this is a video game. It's not real life. Real life warfare isn't dictated by balance or very specific roles with strengths and weaknesses designed purposefully. Real life warfare is about doing whatever gets the job done in the most efficient way. But I don't want that here, and I don't think anyone else really does either. If this were to be more "realistic", shouldn't we just have a handful of guns that are designed to be way better than everything else? There's no diversity in this kind of realism, so honestly it really has no place in Dust. That's my opinion, anyway.

IMHO, the counter to swarm launchers should be an active module, such as flares or chaff. Vehicles should get a notification of some sort when swarms lock on to them, and then they fire off the countermeasures which destroy the swarms. In order to take a vehicle out with swarms you'd need to overwhelm the countermeasures.

Erm, you're not in any position to school me about tanks buddy.

I know about the javelin. I also happen to know that the Javelin relies on a thermal signatures to guide the payload, which is fine... When you use it against old, outdated and obsolete WW2-era tanks (the kind most 3rd world countries use, which are the expected enemies for most industrial nations).

However, when you look at MODERN tanks (like the more recent version of the Leopard 2), equipped with Saab Barracuda camouflage system, smoke launchers, tungsten/ceramic alloy turret with slatted armor (that covers pretty much the entire top of the tank, usually considered to be a tanks weakest point besides the tank treads, designed SPECIFICALLY to counter anti-tank missiles like the javelins top attack angle function) it's a veeeery different story, because it's rarely even a question if your puny, man portable javelin missile will be able to destroy the tank, but more a question if you'll even be able to get it to lock on target due to the tank having a ****** up heat signature that your little javelin won't be able to recognize.

Most serious, modern tanks of today have these kinds or countermeasures making it pretty much impossible for a singular man-portable anti-tank system to destroy them. And then we haven't even begun to cover prototype systems in development that features anti-missile capabilities (they shoot down the missile before it hits).

So yeah, I went there...

As to your other questions, no I don't think it should take 3-6 people, but 2-3 would be reasonable. And no, it's not a "win button" because tanks still can't enter buildings, climb stairs or hack objectives (you know that little detail required to WIN the match?)

And no, your good AV-fit will not match a GOOD tank fit. Do you even know what prototype large turrets cost?

1. You're mainly using 1 slot on your suit to destroy me.
2. I'm using 4 slots of my vehicle to survive you and most tankers use 5.
3. You can destroy every vehicle without a driver in 3-6 shots.
4. If the driver has fit their vehicles badly or makes mistakes they can die easily.
5. Vehicles as they are right now are fine but AV should be buffed to be effective as a threat/deterrent.
6. No one likes getting ROFL stomped and the only way to keep that from happening is though fair and balanced counters.