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Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1040	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:44:00 - [2] - Quote Only during that stupid event where we had to get 100 hacks in a week. In that week, sometimes you had to even stoop to deceiving them into canceling their hack, by shooting them to trick them into thinking they're getting shot by enemies. Usually though, I play for the team, and that means, in some cases, taking bullets to protect a hacker, even if they're a blueberry. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 171	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:45:00 - [3] - Quote No. But I have let team mates die because they said or did something stupid. Does that count?
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 448	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:46:00 - [4] - Quote Nope but it happen to me a lot the sad part about this is in nine out of ten time the blueberry was stupid enough to get killed before he could finish the job...
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2752	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 - [5] - Quote I always protect the hacker unless there is absolutely no reds around. Proud member of the Commando 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 743	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 - [6] - Quote I was squadded up with some randoms from squad finder the other day and we ran into hack B. I saw a remote on the terminal but no one else seemed to mind it and started hacking. So I backed up and shot it and killed them all. Gotta remember to check for those remotes. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2231	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:48:00 - [7] - Quote I let them die when they are trying to hack the CRU and ruin my spawn camping. Hehe. It's kind of ironic, the red berry doesn't realize it would have been better to let the blue berry hack the CRU. It would end his miserable existence of being camped. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Rusty Shallows 754	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:49:00 - [8] - Quote People still camp CRUs. When in squad rolling up on one the first thing I always check on Comms is, "are we camping this CRU?" Which seems somewhat backwards since the correct word to use should be "hacking." It gets a little morbid when a call is made to hold fire on a Red heading towards a hacking Blue. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 255	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:52:00 - [9] - Quote I have a few times, mostly because they ran in like Leroy and didnt comb the area for remots or enemys before hand.
Tectonic Fusion 962	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote I always place remote explosives near it and camp if I'm in my scout suit, but I do try and defend the hack. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:57:00 - [11] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: I was squadded up with some randoms from squad finder the other day and we ran into hack B. I saw a remote on the terminal but no one else seemed to mind it and started hacking. So I backed up and shot it and killed them all. Gotta remember to check for those remotes. Ok, I'll confess that I have thrown flux grenades and someone else is running into it simultaneously and they die because I set off remotes.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 297	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:57:00 - [12] - Quote I've had people shoot me dead when I'm hacking in FW, needle me immediately so I don' t have time to punish and start hacking before I can get up. Talk about dirty. I guess that's what you get when you hire ruthless mercenaries. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:05:00 - [13] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I let them die when they are trying to hack the CRU and ruin my spawn camping. Hehe. It's kind of ironic, the red berry doesn't realize it would have been better to let the blue berry hack the CRU. It would end his miserable existence of being camped. Do you have any idea how hard it is to solo to a null sometimes? It's freaking hard! I do all of that and see you 5 meters away and all you have to do is protect me for 1 second. Grrrrrr. I guess I can't be THAT mad. At least you don't steal the hack afterwards.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1733	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:08:00 - [14] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: People still camp CRUs. When in squad rolling up on one the first thing I always check on Comms is, "are we camping this CRU?" Which seems somewhat backwards since the correct word to use should be "hacking." It gets a little morbid when a call is made to hold fire on a Red heading towards a hacking Blue. CRU camping can be a viable tactic. If they are stupid enough to keep spawning in, they deserve every death they get. Also, it helps kill clones. Which is good in the long run. Standing there and camping it at the expense of objectives though. That's the crap I wanna see less of. You aren't trying to win, you just want a better k/d Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 144	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:12:00 - [15] - Quote A few days ago a guy jumped into my LAV and wouldn't get out to kill the reds with me. Fortunately he jumped on the turret position, allowing me to drive up to a redberry shotgunner who promptly cleaned out my car for me.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:13:00 - [16] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: People still camp CRUs. When in squad rolling up on one the first thing I always check on Comms is, "are we camping this CRU?" Which seems somewhat backwards since the correct word to use should be "hacking." It gets a little morbid when a call is made to hold fire on a Red heading towards a hacking Blue. CRU camping can be a viable tactic. If they are stupid enough to keep spawning in, they deserve every death they get. Also, it helps kill clones. Which is good in the long run. Standing there and camping it at the expense of objectives though. That's the crap I wanna see less of. You aren't trying to win, you just want a better k/d I can understand the arguement that the team is very far ahead as far as destroying the MCC and at that point camping starts happening. Almost never hack a null under that circumstance. If we have at least a 30% HP advantage I'll switch to another fit and play a slightly different style then going for the NULLs. That being said, My goal is to win and cloning out isn't always possible so I shoot for the NULLs. Camping when losing is absurd to say the least.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 963	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:13:00 - [17] - Quote Nah - I always defend the hacker, blue or green. Unless there are no reds around and then I help to get us out of there quick and on to more important things like winning the match.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 98	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:27:00 - [18] - Quote No.
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 10	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:42:00 - [19] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise. those people didnt let you die so they could get the hack they were just too stupid and oblivious to the enemies around them just like most medics who revive when enemies are around, also if you had the situational awareness to know there was exactly three enemies around you should have tried to battle them instead of adjust your wrist watch in front of a computer EDIT: i misread, it was three blues and you with only one red dot, all the more reason you shoulda attacked him, you made a mistake, we all do sometime wheres ma queef suits at? front to back, ALWAYS.
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2802	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:48:00 - [20] - Quote I've shot enemy RE's that the current friendly hacker clearly missed in their rush to get WP's...I like to think of it as a friendly reminder of battlefield awareness. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1

Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 893	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:51:00 - [21] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise. I have good dampening skills and go for headshots with my scrambler pistol, I can kill two to three hackers in moments and then their friends too before they realize what's going on. Those guys were probably morons, though. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:52:00 - [22] - Quote Michael-J-Fox Richards wrote: Eko Sol wrote: So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise. those people didnt let you die so they could get the hack they were just too stupid and oblivious to the enemies around them just like most medics who revive when enemies are around, also if you had the situational awareness to know there was exactly three enemies around you should have tried to battle them instead of adjust your wrist watch in front of a computer EDIT: i misread, it was three blues and you with only one red dot, all the more reason you shoulda attacked him, you made a mistake, we all do sometime For the record I tried to get away but I couldn't and then I heard the heavy (in both cases) shoot all of the sudden from the same spot he/she was at to begin with. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that someone shows up with a militia AR with three blues circling the NULL.
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 484	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote I'm a heavy I don't hack I kill We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5527	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:54:00 - [24] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise. I stopped hacking all together while I am on foot because people were letting me die. Now I am the one who covers...or there is no hack. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1533	Posted - 2014.01.10 21:54:00 - [25] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: So I played a match before work today where TWICE there was 3 people standing letting a red kill me. I mean, I fought like crazy to get to the NULL TWICE! Similar situations have happened where I expect cover and I get ZERO cover for the hack. I have, to my recollection, not minded someone getting killed if it meant I could get the WP but I never allowed it to happen intentionally. I have to believe the circumstance I had was intentional. It doesn't make sense otherwise. No but I let a teammate die for being an idiot. I was stalking a heavy with my knives dumbass teammate starts shooting the heavy right when I was going to stab him. I know I could of 1 shot the heavy but I let him live ran away and watched my teammate get mowed down like an animal.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 116	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:01:00 - [26] - Quote Nope, but I rarely defend them either. I got Minmatar Logistics up to lvl 5, systems hacking to lvl 4 and always use an enhanced codebreaker. The likelyhood that a random blueberry hacker would hack faster than me is really small. And if I assist someone we can hack the objective in the blink of an eye and both defend ourselves from present reds.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:05:00 - [27] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Nope, but I rarely defend them either. I got Minmatar Logistics up to lvl 5, systems hacking to lvl 4 and always use an enhanced codebreaker. The likelyhood that a random blueberry hacker would hack faster than me is really small. And if I assist someone we can hack the objective in the blink of an eye and both defend ourselves from present reds. See that's how I think. Either provide cover or rock the hack. I do Min-logi and sys hack and codebreaker as well. 3 system hacking, 3 in logi, and use enhanced in a module. At least this is for my hack fit.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 24	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:37:00 - [28] - Quote Your job as my ally is to get shot in my place. If a blueberry is hacking it may look like I'm protecting him, but I'm actually just using him as bait. I usually wait until they're done hacking to set off enemy RE's though I don't wanna have to hack that **** myself.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 789	Posted - 2014.01.10 22:50:00 - [29] - Quote after 2 kill steals in a row ill just stop watching their backs and let them die.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:03:00 - [30] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Your job as my ally is to get shot in my place. If a blueberry is hacking it may look like I'm protecting him, but I'm actually just using him as bait. I usually wait until they're done hacking to set off enemy RE's though I don't wanna have to hack that **** myself. This is complete nonsense. If we both hack simultaneously then we both don't get shot. It makes zero sense to use some one as bait for no reason other than personal gain.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1045	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:04:00 - [31] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Jotun Izalaru wrote: Your job as my ally is to get shot in my place. If a blueberry is hacking it may look like I'm protecting him, but I'm actually just using him as bait. I usually wait until they're done hacking to set off enemy RE's though I don't wanna have to hack that **** myself. This is complete nonsense. If we both hack simultaneously then we both don't get shot. It makes zero sense to use some one as bait for no reason other than personal gain. The red goes after the hacker, he goes after the red. The hacker might get shot if he's too slow, but he won't get shot, because he's behind the red. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation 686	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:08:00 - [32] - Quote Nothing you can do though... they should kill and get points defending you. *Assassination is my thing.*
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 833	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:19:00 - [33] - Quote Letting a teammate, blueberry or not, die so you can get the hack is both redundant and selfish to do. Mainly for the fact that with your blueberry teammate dead, you expose yourself to other enemies killing you, especially the case when you're hacking enemy CRUs and null cannons, costing you possibly tens of thousands of ISK because you wanted a handful more points. Even dumb blueberries can act as a distraction for the enemy in the worst case, and covering them is usually going to help you and your team more in the long run. Also, letting blueberries die so you can pad your KDR more by camping makes you a ****. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1757	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:22:00 - [34] - Quote I will always let a blueberry die when he is hacking the CRU that i am farming. I'm sure i have done it at least 5 times today. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 479	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:25:00 - [35] - Quote No. That's horrible. If there's a boy hacking and no one else is around, I go get the hack assist. If enemies are constantly spawning, and there's a blue hacking, I watch his back. Some times it works out, some times it doesn't.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.01.10 23:38:00 - [36] - Quote Joel II X wrote: No. That's horrible. If there's a boy hacking and no one else is around, I go get the hack assist. If enemies are constantly spawning, and there's a blue hacking, I watch his back. Some times it works out, some times it doesn't. Exactly! Perfect! Couldn't say it better.
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 96	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:16:00 - [37] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Nope, but I rarely defend them either. I got Minmatar Logistics up to lvl 5, systems hacking to lvl 4 and always use an enhanced codebreaker. The likelyhood that a random blueberry hacker would hack faster than me is really small. And if I assist someone we can hack the objective in the blink of an eye and both defend ourselves from present reds. Fellow min-logi here, that's pretty much my attitude as well. I can hack about twice as fast as everyone else so me covering while random hacks is rather silly.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 120	Posted - 2014.01.11 00:27:00 - [38] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Letting a teammate, blueberry or not, die so you can get the hack is both redundant and selfish to do. Mainly for the fact that with your blueberry teammate dead, you expose yourself to other enemies killing you, especially the case when you're hacking enemy CRUs and null cannons, costing you possibly tens of thousands of ISK because you wanted a handful more points. Even dumb blueberries can act as a distraction for the enemy in the worst case, and covering them is usually going to help you and your team more in the long run. Also, letting blueberries die so you can pad your KDR more by camping makes you a ****. One problem though: except for FW, the game design promote selfishness since your isk payout and sp increase are purely based on the amount of warpoints you make. If I die, defending someone hacking I don't profit anything at all from it, but if I let the reds kill my ally hacking, then go successfully hack myself I profit more. Doesn't even matter if my team wins or loses because in the end only the individual warpoints determine the rewards.


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