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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:53:00 -
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Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus. |
Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
277
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:54:00 -
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I'm not signing anything. I do enjoy my 5HP/s innate regen, however; a single complex rep brings the total to something like 13HP/s. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2686
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:55:00 -
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Themselves as they're standing on 6 rephives.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Trey Hardin
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
49
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:56:00 -
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I agree when your lucky to get one logi to run a rep tool how do you expect us to be able to heal
I live and die by The Logi Code
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
2044
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:56:00 -
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I like the bonus but I'd rather that gone than anything else now.
Assaults would finally stfu and that's good enough for me 
Level 2 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1288
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:59:00 -
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Here my sign
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1702328#post1702328
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
947
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:59:00 -
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I'm a logi, and I love not having to fit reppers. I'd rather have a bonus to the equipment I use though.
/not signed
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1470
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:00:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus.
I logi the logi all the time, that is the reason I carry the duel beam proto tool, if my teammate logi carries one also the it is the trifecta of repping. Two beams on the heavy and one each for the logi, very strong set-up. I do it often with much success. I did three matches in a row like that and some random guy on my squad paid me 1M for saving him ISK and letting him kill more. Battle logis are a joke when compared to real logi.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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Tectonic Fusion
957
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:01:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:I'm a logi, and I love not having to fit reppers. I'd rather have a bonus to the equipment I use though.
/not signed
Same. We'll just have to fit basic/enhanced/complex reppers.
Solo Player
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
2520
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:01:00 -
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I'm not a math doctor but I'm confident that logis logi the logis.
What a stupid question.
HellsGÇáorm, Director
Bringing the Wrath of God down on the Matari since YC114
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1470
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:02:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus.
Also, I think the rep bonus is bad and should never be applied to suits in it's current form, if you want a rep then put the module on your suit or find another logi with a tool.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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ReGnYuM
Imperfects
1779
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:07:00 -
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Seeing how I usually run Assault MK.0, it kind of irks me seeing a LoLogi getting 5/reps a second for basically throwing down equipment and passively farming WP.
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2067
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:11:00 -
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If any class should have inherent reps, it should be Scouts.
Beer before Liquor, never sicker.
Toothpaste before Orange Juice, you're dead.
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Incin3rate
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:12:00 -
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I think there needs to be some balance between the races with shield and armor repairs, it only makes sense. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:15:00 -
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Whenever I see a fellow logi in danger because he didn't unlock rep hives, I heal him.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
426
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:15:00 -
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signed,hope CCP just put the 5/s reps on the logi suits like it's on the minmatar mid frames.
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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el OPERATOR
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:43:00 -
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Signed as well, I like my reps when doing logi support.
Open-Beta Vet.
NPC Corp Independent Contractor.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1391
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:48:00 -
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Sad to see it go but it really needed to go. Single tank type bonuses applied as a general bonus, even on suits not intended to be armor tanked? Not a good thing.
If they wanted to add some sort of *small* built in armor repair like the Minmatar Assault, and do it on suits that make sense, I'd be ok with it. But as a general bonus? I agree with CCP's choice to remove it, the skill always was just a placeholder afterall.
ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
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IO Unbound
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
71
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:48:00 -
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I'd much rather have the cpu/pg than the passive armor repair. I also think it is another step toward encouraging people wearing logistics suits to play support roles, not slayer roles, and I'm happy about that as well. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4674
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:51:00 -
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It was not a balanced bonus across all logis. For instance, a Gallente Logi benefits from 5hp/s armor repair a lot more than a Caldari logi does.
The new bonus is much better. All logis benefit greatly from 25% equipment fitting cost reduction.
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el OPERATOR
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:53:00 -
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IO Unbound wrote:I'd much rather have the cpu/pg than the passive armor repair. I also think it is another step toward encouraging people wearing logistics suits to play support roles, not slayer roles, and I'm happy about that as well.
I understand that, tho with the core PG and Elec maxed there isn't any gear mix I can't carry (MinLogi). I guess I'd be more enthusiastic if it (the new cpu/pg bonus) were applicable to Mines as well, since I'm losing a passive survival attribute.
Open-Beta Vet.
NPC Corp Independent Contractor.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
537
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:01:00 -
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If the change to skills mean I can ditch the PG upgrade I use for one of my low slots so I can fit a second complex repper then I guess it is a wash, but the truth is....it won't because with my proto gallente logi I am still having to equip that PG upgrade in order to have decent tank, proto equipment, and an advanced rifle. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
253
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:11:00 -
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I will miss it dearly, will pretty much have to carry around a rep hive since its rare to find a logi with a rep tool now, after the change it will be even harder to find. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
266
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:21:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus.
I agree.
Armor reps right now are just useless.
Takes you away 142hp for a small 6.25hp/s......
And people seems to forget than once they made the 25% PG/CPU reduction to equipements CCP will heavily nerf the PG/CPU on logi suits.
So once you fitted your equipements fitting something that make you waist 11PG for a small armor rep is NO MORE POSSIBLE unless you play std weapons or have less than 400ehp....
So Logi will stay together and the others players WILL TAKE THEIR OWN armor reps.
You wanna be healed ? as you said yourself. DO IT YOURSELF and fit a armor rep.
You think that's silly ? That's EXACTLY what you've said.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5454
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:22:00 -
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The same way I rep when the logis are busy being assault logis.
Armor Repair modules. 
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
266
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:22:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:IO Unbound wrote:I'd much rather have the cpu/pg than the passive armor repair. I also think it is another step toward encouraging people wearing logistics suits to play support roles, not slayer roles, and I'm happy about that as well. I understand that, tho with the core PG and Elec maxed there isn't any gear mix I can't carry (MinLogi). I guess I'd be more enthusiastic if it (the new cpu/pg bonus) were applicable to Mines as well, since I'm losing a passive survival attribute.
And will lose at least 25% of your PG/CPU.
Goodbye weapons and enhanced plates.
Welcome Basic everthing. |
Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:42:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:I'm a logi, and I love not having to fit reppers.
I'm trying to imagine a Guardian pilot saying something like this. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
434
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:52:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Themselves as they're standing on 6 rephives.
rep hives can't move with you as you repair a heavy.
Thr33 is the magic number.
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SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
31
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:01:00 -
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Signed,agree that this is going to be more of a problem than people think. Have been discussing on other threads as well.Logis will need to eguip a Rep mod thus losing a lower slot which I use for plate to help survive, other bonuses will be useless if your cut down quicker than we already are. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
757
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:04:00 -
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i dont agree.... with the removal of the minmatar logis hacking bonus....
the repair bonus has to go |
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
116
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:05:00 -
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Signed.
Logis need to be long term survivors to be useful. |
Valmorgan Aubaris
Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services
ACME Holding Conglomerate
168
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:06:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus.
Here's my sign
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
383
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:24:00 -
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If it evens out where I can upgrade my plates and fit a repper I'll be fine. If it makes me even squishier then before I'll find a new game to play. Between equipment and the rest of the mods my cheap fits are 50k isk and they get melted like butter. I have 0 sp in remote reppers so as a mini logi I am losing my hacking bonus and my 5 hp/sec and gaining a bonus that I will not get anything from.... hooray. I lone wolf, I am not going to chase around random people with a repper in my hands and get shot to **** and lose even more isk then I normally do. And I damn well know I am not the only one who shoots the logi with the repper first. My suit just can't take that beating.
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Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
243
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:25:00 -
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Logi can do it themselves through rep/triage hives. Same way non logi heal up with compact hives.
Or you could get another logi to heal them. The reason everyone used the logi suits was they could do everything. Having a few limitations is a healthy thing.
Or they could fit a armor repper like everyone else in the game...
Choices, use them...
EVE - Victor Maximus
DUST - Azri Sarum
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1483
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:48:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Logi can do it themselves through rep/triage hives. Same way non logi heal up with compact hives.
Or you could get another logi to heal them. The reason everyone used the logi suits was they could do everything. Having a few limitations is a healthy thing.
Or they could fit a armor repper like everyone else in the game...
Choices, use them...
I am not for many limitations but make it not profitable or just not as good as whatever suit, make it do logi stuff well and other stuff not so much. People are using battle logi because they are easy to win not because they are that much better.
Assaults have better stats and people have created this idea that the logi is the ultimate suit when it really isn't. I would put my ISK on a team of pro assault players before I would a team of pro logi. This logi crap is a fad that has pretty much existed for a while that is just now taking off. Nine months ago I was a full time active rep Gal logi but I have been pushing an Amarr logi lately for the tool bonus.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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Vag Eye Lenol
Planetary Asset Protection Services
13
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Posted - 2014.01.10 23:27:00 -
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I think it will result in less Logi's, I for one would give up being a logi given the opportunity because of this... Now in order to ensure full extremely needed armor, will have to waste valuable on equipping rep hive. |
IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
96
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:10:00 -
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I'm a front line min-logi often pushing up with the squad to get the hack while they cover me. Losing both the hacking bonus and the passive rep bonus is going to really put a dent in that. I'll have to drop the codebreaker and fit a rep now instead so that's a roughly 40% loss in hacking speed.
I do think the new bonuses make more sense but losing the old ones is still going to hurt. |
Deacon Obvious
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
32
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:18:00 -
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I'd love to see the 1hp/sec/lvl moved to the Repair Tool skill. Make it so that you get the bonus when you have the repair tool in hand. This might be enough of a bonus to entice other suits to use reppers as well.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3289
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:30:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Logi can do it themselves through rep/triage hives. Same way non logi heal up with compact hives.
Or you could get another logi to heal them. The reason everyone used the logi suits was they could do everything. Having a few limitations is a healthy thing.
Or they could fit a armor repper like everyone else in the game...
Choices, use them...
I used the Minmatar Logistics so I could repair people, because I love seeing that imaginary smile on a heavy's face when they only have 60HP left and they see me repping them.
Your right, limitations are healthy. So how about we remove that equipment slots from Assaults eh?
But hey, Minlogis are dual tankers. I can just shield tank and fit reactive plates in my lows.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3289
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:32:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
I am not for many limitations but make it not profitable or just not as good as whatever suit, make it do logi stuff well and other stuff not so much. People are using battle logi because they are easy to win not because they are that much better.
Assaults have better stats and people have created this idea that the logi is the ultimate suit when it really isn't. I would put my ISK on a team of pro assault players before I would a team of pro logi. This logi crap is a fad that has pretty much existed for a while that is just now taking off. Nine months ago I was a full time active rep Gal logi but I have been pushing an Amarr logi lately for the tool bonus.
You might want to stop specing, because if your referring to the Repair Tool, for it is the Minmatar Logistics that will receive the repair tool bonus
CoD ----->
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Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3289
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:34:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i dont agree.... with the removal of the minmatar logis hacking bonus....
the repair bonus has to go
And I also don't like what they are doing with the Minmatar Assault bonus.
The sidearm bonus was incredible with an Ishukone SMG, and a speed tanked fit.
F*ck Damage Mods.
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Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
951
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:34:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:R F Gyro wrote:I'm a logi, and I love not having to fit reppers. I'm trying to imagine a Guardian pilot saying something like this.
I'm a Guardian pilot, and all my fits are buffer/resist tanked, and hence don't fit local reps.
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
245
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Posted - 2014.01.11 00:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i dont agree.... with the removal of the minmatar logis hacking bonus....
the repair bonus has to go And I also don't like what they are doing with the Minmatar Assault bonus. The sidearm bonus was incredible with an Ishukone SMG, and a speed tanked fit. F*ck Damage Mods.
It was to specialized of a bonus. It literally forced you into that play style. One play style for an entire race is horrible game design. The new bonuses will allow for more viable fits for minmatar assaults.
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DUST - Azri Sarum
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LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
33
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:33:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sign if you don't agree with the removal of the Logistics armor repair bonus.
This right here is the main reason I won't be running logistics anymore. That armor rep bonus has allowed me to get out of sticky situations by barely getting enough hp back to get out of a hot zone. It also lets me move forward in enemy fire and heal or revive people and protect them because I know I can temporarily tank the damage and repair it after everything has died down.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
770
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Posted - 2014.01.11 02:06:00 -
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it did have to go and the new bonuses should benefit us (i hope).
my solution to this though is https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693888#post1693888
it sort of lets us keep or reps but not allow assault logis to have it so hopefully no complaining
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:02:00 -
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This is going to be a problem. |
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