DUST Search - CPM: Petition to CCP Regarding Cloaks

Knight Soiaire wrote:

Free Beers wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

We dont even have the stats for them and you're all asking for a nerf.

You're all just ****.

There is no nicer way of putting it.

You dont need stats when ccp has already told us how a mechanic is going to work. What does is matter if you get 10 shots or 12 shots while cloaked before you are visible? It's the mechanic that is the issue not the stats of it.

You seem to miss the entire point of this discussion and that's just ignorant. There is just no nicer way of putting that. Straight

There could be an activation time, meaning you cant immediately activate it.

There could be a penalty to damage resistance.

There could be a penalty to speed.

There could be a penalty to Profile.

There could even be a damage penalty.

You're all overreacting, its way too early to be talking about nerfing it, we haven't even seen the thing in action.

From what CCP has told us, it works like pretty much every cloak in every other major game that has a cloak ability. In KZ3/2 you could snipe from a Cloak, but lost you're cloak by doing so, but it worked there because map design wasn't as bad as DUST's where one sniper can shoot from a mountain with near 0 risk involved.

In Crysis you could take an initial shot from a Cloak, but doing so cost you all your energy, and in that game snipers didn't run around with near immortality because there was no such thing as a redline, or boundary that stopped you from fighting back against them.

[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me


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Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1749	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:08:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly, I have zero faith that this will be nothing but a game breaker. I dont understand why Team True Grit works with the community and got changes to PC and the most successful content in dust is FW. Why must you design dust with your fingers stuck in your ears ccp? I honestly think this is where CCP Rouge needs to answer to the community. Is he going to step in and do the right thing or are we still all a riding a captainless ship. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1752	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:31:00 - [2] - Quote I still say people that want to cloak and shoot are bad players that just want free kills. I play scout on my other toon and the idea of scouts being cloaky campers disgusts me. Maybe ccp can try and think of ways to make scouts better instead of putting all their eggs in the cloak basket. For the love of all things holy dont make scouts just a gimmicky suit. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1768	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:39:00 - [3] - Quote So what this thread has turned into is a bunch of bad players that want to abuse a broke mechanic (yeah i looked up your kdr) and the rest of us that don't want ccp to break dust. Like i said before if CCP Rouge wants to show he is captain of this ship he will nix cloaks for now and have ccp fix scouts without breaking them. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:47:00 - [4] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: We dont even have the stats for them and you're all asking for a nerf. You're all just ****. There is no nicer way of putting it. You dont need stats when ccp has already told us how a mechanic is going to work. What does is matter if you get 10 shots or 12 shots while cloaked before you are visible? It's the mechanic that is the issue not the stats of it. You seem to miss the entire point of this discussion and that's just ignorant. There is just no nicer way of putting that. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Free Beers wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We dont even have the stats for them and you're all asking for a nerf. You're all just ****. There is no nicer way of putting it. You dont need stats when ccp has already told us how a mechanic is going to work. What does is matter if you get 10 shots or 12 shots while cloaked before you are visible? It's the mechanic that is the issue not the stats of it. You seem to miss the entire point of this discussion and that's just ignorant. There is just no nicer way of putting that. There could be an activation time, meaning you cant immediately activate it. There could be a penalty to damage resistance. There could be a penalty to speed. There could be a penalty to Profile. There could even be a damage penalty. You're all overreacting, its way too early to be talking about nerfing it, we haven't even seen the thing in action. From what CCP has told us, it works like pretty much every cloak in every other major game that has a cloak ability. In KZ3/2 you could snipe from a Cloak, but lost you're cloak by doing so, but it worked there because map design wasn't as bad as DUST's where one sniper can shoot from a mountain with near 0 risk involved. In Crysis you could take an initial shot from a Cloak, but doing so cost you all your energy, and in that game snipers didn't run around with near immortality because there was no such thing as a redline, or boundary that stopped you from fighting back against them. Why do you assume the cpm doesn't have all the details. When I read about cloaks in the forums I asked kain on skype if this is for real. He linked me this thread and said cpm is 100% against it. The day the cloak info came out so did this post by kane. They were waiting for the info to go public so they could publicly voice against it. You have been around here for a while are you not tired of ccp "lets just try this" design management approach? [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:32:00 - [6] - Quote mollerz wrote: This thread is such a med frame circle jerk I can't believe CPM even put this together. it's 100% biased, and more of a support group for med frames that are finally going to have to deal with scouts on a different level than they are comfortable with. At least IWS' thread has an intelligent back and forth going on. this thread is just b000llLshite. Have fun with it as the support group it will sure to become No, it's not. I am a scout and I want ccp to address the real issues with them and not just cover over it with a cloak. The negative it brings to game play out weighs any perceived benefits. The only people what are pro cloaks are thinking how they are going to camp, cloak, and gank a bunch of proto suits. So this thread is biased against players that are selfish and want easy mode. Which is the same entitlement that snipers feel. They want a kill but not be killed while they hide behind the redline. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:31:00 - [7] - Quote mollerz wrote: Free Beers wrote: No, it's not. I am a scout and I want ccp to address the real issues with them and not just cover over it with a cloak. The negative it brings to game play out weighs any perceived benefits. The only people what are pro cloaks are thinking how they are going to camp, cloak, and gank a bunch of proto suits. So this thread is biased against players that are selfish and want easy mode. Which is the same entitlement that snipers feel. They want a kill but not be killed while they hide behind the redline. You are a scout? I am not going to camp. I doubt many scout will camp. it's just not worth it. It's boring. Our mobility has us going from one end of the map to the other. This thread is biased for players who want to keep their easy mode. Their logi slayer win button. Odd, as a scout you would see it from the medium perspective since you'd know how long they have had a win button. Yes, I'm a scout and have been since replication. I have 5 accounts where the main toon has over 12 mill sp so i play just about every suit/weapon/vehicle in dust these days. Reading your response its obvious you are the one being bias as per your anti proto logi statement. I get it proto logis touched you in a bad place and now you want revenge against them. So you want to cloak and shot gun them. Can you be any more obvious? Being invisible to most scanners and being invisible to sight are completely different things in dust Side note: How can you say its mobility? Get in an LAV or DS and go to the other side of the map. The most I will run is on the edge of map to drop links to help take the objective. Why? Thats what vehicles are for don't do things the hard way and they say that's how you play a scout. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Because lavs and dropships make a lot of noise, are big shiny bastard things and are not stealthy in any way. he also a full time knifer not a shotgunner. This all makes sense now. Using knives in dust is nothing more than a novelty. I'm neither for or against them but just don't see them as a realistic and viable option in dust at the moment. CCP has a hard time with melee being OP and errors on the side of caution. With cloaks melee because very dangerous option because players ability to react once you are being hacked by a knifer. It's obvious he just wants to camp and knife people because it give his playing style an advantage. His opinion is just him trying to justify what he sees as retribution for the current weakness of scouts and knifers. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1770	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:45:00 - [9] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: Beers, honesty, keep your f'ing cloak. Just don't nerf us. I won't run it at the expense of dampening or alpha damage, and don't need it. I have no idea what you are on about. I simply am against firing while cloaking and that ccp needs to improve scouts. Everything else I am willing to see how it plays out. You come across as they kid in class that gets frustrated because he doesn't understand so he just yells loudly about it. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me