Whether cloaking ends up as a baked-in feature of some suits or not, it should start in a "nerfed" state in which "nobody" will use it. Then gradually improve the utility of the feature until people are using it. If everyone uses it, it's OP.

Cloaked while firing is a bad mechanic, and doing a "let's see how it works out" with an obviously bad and broken mechanic would be irresponsible.

What's worse is turning a blind eye and letting a bad mechanic go live in the game.

/Signed

I'm really not looking forward to snipers and shot gunners getting this buff. An indefinitely cloaked sniper who could be anywhere?

Question: Do we have any info on whether this will be a 'as long as its in our hands we're cloaked' or more of a temporary buff mechanic?

The dev posts clearly enumerates to overarching design intent, which is to allow an alpha strike whilst cloaked . Fitting, cool downs, etc don't matter at that point because the mechanics described by Remnant's post mean a round will leave a weapon unaffected by the cloak and will allow a player to line up a headshot, pull the trigger, and 1 or more of those shots will be with the user "nigh invisible" while still.

This is the aspect of the mechanic that is unacceptable. No firing while cloaked.

I think you can ADS a line up a headshot with more than just a sniper rifle last time I checked.

Shot about 42 cloak scouts today dead. I play with an active scanner in squad. They're rather easy targets to get rid of, as scouts are soft targets when you know where they are. Most of the time though players don't die to one shot from a cloak player and attentive players will know there is a cloak scout on the field and start playing around the threat. Simply communicating with my team is enough, even though cloakers do not generate kill feeds with the cloak.

So what this thread has turned into is a bunch of bad players that want to abuse a broke mechanic (yeah i looked up your kdr) and the rest of us that don't want ccp to break dust.

Like i said before if CCP Rouge wants to show he is captain of this ship he will nix cloaks for now and have ccp fix scouts without breaking them.

The fact of the matter is firing while cloaked is a bad mechanic for everyone. Also, the fact that CCP is wrapping up the performance of a scout and "fixing" it with a cloak is problematic.

Dust is more than about one role and one style of play. Thinking that making sure the cloak lands in a way that is not damaging to the game as whole is some sort of attack on a particular role is short sighted at best.

The fact of the matter is firing while cloaked is a bad mechanic for everyone.

Is a start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DUvjuvKeak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Wx4_Dcd4Q

This one is a non invincible one,

Imagine yourself as ever one of those guys that got stabbed. You'd think with squad comms they'd knew there was an invisible guy running around.

Once again, this has nothing to do with the situation at hand. Someone hacking BF4 to be invisible has nothing to do with the explicit introduction of a stealth mechanic into a game, particularly where there are known hard and soft counters that compliment the introduction. You're just making things worse.

I'll explain this again for the cheap seats:
Just write down what the problem is and why cloaking, and specifically firing from cloak, is so inherently broken that you're trying to sabotage it's implementation since you're unable to stop it coming into game. No hypotheticals, no links off site, just the straight facts as you see them.

If cloaking is that big a problem, it shouldn't be so hard to explain. And if you find that you have to resort to hyperbole and fear-mongering to get your point across, then maybe you need to reconsider your position.

Because this is what you can do in a game with all those restrictions about not firing with cloaks are present, now double or triple that carnage. I've done this plenty of times, I specialise as a CQC Infiltrator in PS2

Firing while cloaked allows a player to alpha strike and get the upper hand in an engagement and deny the player under attack the ability to respond to the threat effectively. It essentially creates an I-win tool for winning a firefight in many situations especially with the current time to kill.

It basically adds a gimmicky mechanic to a tool that could potentially bring a lot of tactical variation to the battlefield. Shooting while cloaked will turn it into something that decreases the enjoyment and how fun Dust is on a whole. I'm already concerned with how much cloaks will slow down the game even if they have no ability to shoot while cloaked. The ability to shoot while cloaked just pushes the mechanic over the top.

Excessively poor cloaking mechanics are exceptionally unfun for those who don't cloak. If you do not understand the frustration in dealing with cloaked players, try playing crysis 2 or 3, or even defiance pvp where it is a exceptional problem over there. (AKA you're labeled a noob if you do anything else)

On the flip side

Cloaking fittings and the way of implementation is ultimately a scout nerf

Despite scouts getting bonuses to cloak and cloaking performance it does not make up for the fit neutering and ultimately suits like the logistics or assaults even will have more play room left over and will continue to outperform the scouts.

The supposive counter using active scanner play overnerfed the scouts further since none of them will be able to achieve the stealth levels required and ultimately pre-nerfs the cloaks into oblivion as everyone will be training the scanner up more than ever.

There are hundreds of ways to go about nerfing the cloak so its appealing to a lighter class and not the heavier ones but so far I have yet to see anything worthwhile from most of the opposition other than stonewalling which suggests they want it removed.

Also recommended reading over the subject https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP+Remnant&devbadge=1&gmbadge=1

As a proto scout since the true Uprising 1.0 (The first one, that ran from Dec 2011 until may 2012)....

Your post is uninformed.

I would love nothing more than to be a badass stealthy assassin with my knives wielding a cloak to terrorize my victims. I just recognize that what suits myself and my own desires are not always what equal a fun and fair experience for everyone or healthy for the game as a whole.

While the scouts should be the most adept at using cloaks... I think it's really crappy to shoehorn them into a role that relies on an OP mechanic in order to make them useful again. Scouts need more than that to be fun. Cloaks as proposed by CCP are -not- the answer to the ever-present question of "How do we make scout suits not suck?"

This is a battle that needs to be fought elsewhere, with other solutions. (IMO)