DUST Search - Feedback/Suggestion: a logical proposal for suits and bonuses for CCP

knight guard fury wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

1.) Very few logis are please with the logistics racial bonuses because they are too specialised. You should try to make your post reflect that.

Suggestion:
Logistics Bonus: Same

Amarr Logi: +10% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level
Caldari Logi: +10% Shield Recharger Module Efficacy per level
Gallente Logi: +2% Equipment Efficacy per level (+2% to all 'good' equipment stats, -2% to all the 'bad' stats)
Minmatar Logi: 10% Codebreaker Module Efficacy Per Level

2.) Those Assault and Assault Racial bonuses make no sense to be on an Assault suit. Those would be more fitting on a Commando suit, bit honestly, don't look like they fit very well on any suit.

Suggestion:
Assault Bonus: -5% Weapon PG/CPU costs per level

Amarr: the current heat buildup bonus is great, leave it.
Caldari: +2% Hybrid/Railgun Weapon RoF per level
Gallente: +1% Hybrid/Blaster Weapon Damage Per Level
Minmatar: +5% Projectile Weapon Magazine Size per level

3.)Why do you want to take away a slot from the Amarr Logi and give it to the Amarr Assault? As of right now(1.7) the Amarr Logi and Amarr Assault are well balanced with each other, and are the only Assault/Logi pair that is balanced... I see you did something similar with the Caldari pair, but to a more extreme level. Why?

4.) The Class bonuses can't be four different things, they should have the exact same affect on each racial suit.

5.) The proposed Amarr and Caldari Scout bonuses that can be seen on SiSi are fine. I have seen nobody complain about them, so why did you change them? Those cloaking bonuses sounded rad...

I really don't have anything to say about the Sentinel and Commando suits...

1.) ni didnt think about the logi thing like that so thanks for telling me

2.) ill reconsider the assault bonuses to something else

3.)im gonna have to check back on the slot layouts whenever i get back on dust, but i did that because of lore reasons and it doesnt seem right to make them have dual-like qualities

the caldari im going to reconsider changing if you and other people think it too wierd or OP but im just thinking lore-like

4.) ill change that then, but i dont like a universal role bonus becasue the eve role bonuses are never the same so how come ours are in the first place?

5.) me and many other scouts have been argueing and thinking of solutions to fix the current bonuses since we dont find them that useful so we decided on something like that

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knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 800	Posted - 2014.01.09 04:04:00 - [1] - Quote our current problem: 1. the bonuses the suits you are planning to put in the game 2. the suits don't feel very lore-like or racial-like(some at least) 3. people are QQing a lot already and may eventually just leave do to imbalanced game play what this will produce into: this will produce COD-514 with TTK low as possible and all assault rifles ruling the game. my suggestion/proposal: make the following suits slot layouts and bonuses something like this: Caldari Assault: assault skill: +5% to stamina and stamina recovery caldari assault bonus: +2% to shields resistance against hybrid plasma weapons Gallente Assault: assault skill: +5% to stamina and running movement gallente assault bonus: +1% armor resistance against hybrid rail weapons and 1% to armor repair efficiency Minmatar Assault: assault skill: +5% to stamina and sprinting speed minmatar assault bonus: +1% shield/armor resistance against laser weapons and 1% to projectile weapon damage Amarr Assault: assault skill: +5% to stamina and melee damage amarr assault bonus: +2% to armor resistance against projectile weapons Gallente Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Skill: 5% resistance to hybrid rail damage per level. Gallente Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to hybrid - railgun weapons, 2% armor resistance to projectile weapons. Caldari Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to hybrid plasma damage per level. Caldari Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons, 2% shield resistance to laser weapons. Minmatar Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to laser damage per level. Minmatar Sentinel Bonus: 3% shield resistance to laser weapons, 2% armor resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Amarr Sentinel Skill: Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% resistance to projectile damage per level Amarr Sentinel Bonus: 3% armor resistance to projectile weapons, 2% shield resistance to hybrid - blaster weapons. Amarr Commando Skill: Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of laser light weapons per level. Amarr Commando Bonus: +2% damage to laser light weapons per level Caldari Commando Skill: Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of hybrid rail light weapons per level. Caldari Commando Bonus: +2% damage to hybrid - railgun light weapons per level. Minmatar Commando Skill: Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of projectile light weapons per level. Minmatar Commando Bonus: +2% damage to projectile and explosive light weapons per level. Gallente Commando Skill: Commando Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to reload speed of hybrid plasma light weapons per level. Gallente Commando Bonus: +2% damage to hybrid - blaster light weapons per level. Amarr Logistics Skill: Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Amarr Logistics Bonus: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to max. spawn count per level. Caldari Logistics Skill: Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Caldari Logistics Bonus: +10% to nanohive max. nanites and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level. Gallente Logistics Skill: Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Gallente Logistics Bonus: +3% to nanite injector repair rate (give the gallente scouts the active scanner bonus) Minmatar Logistics Skill: Logistics Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of equipment per level. Minmatar Logistics Bonus: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level. for the suits slot layout (assuming these are all proto) MINMATAR logistics: 4H 4L assualt: 4H 3L heavy: 3H 3L scout: 4H 3L commando: 3H 2L keep the minmatar speed and stamina the same since they can speed tank change base armor/shields (preferably 165/165 or 150/150 for armor/shields) buff their cpu/pg AMARR logistics: 4L 2H assualt: 5L 3H heavy: 3L 2H scout: 4L 2H commando: 3L 2H reduce the shields and raise the armor so they dont have to dual tank (reduce shields by 40 and brings armor up 30) movement/sprint speed should stay the same cpu/pg is fine GALLENTE logistics: 5L 3H assualt: 5L 2H heavy 4L 2H scout: 4L 2H commando: 3L 1H leave them as is for armor and shields increase speed a bit since they dont have great stamina thier cpu/pg is fine Caldari: logistics: 4H 2L assualt: 5H 3L heavy: 4H 2L scout: 4H 2L commando: 3H 1L the caldari are good at shield tanking but could use a bit more stamina thier cpu/pg is fine thier movement is fine In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 801	Posted - 2014.01.09 05:18:00 - [2] - Quote REMINDER: this is being constantly updated to what the community thinks the bonuses should be so don't go thinking these are all my ideas. im simply taking all the feedback and suggestion and possibilities around the forums and put this all together. In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1322	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:00:00 - [3] - Quote 1.) Very few logis are please with the logistics racial bonuses because they are too specialised. You should try to make your post reflect that. Suggestion: Logistics Bonus: Same Amarr Logi: +10% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level Caldari Logi: +10% Shield Recharger Module Efficacy per level Gallente Logi: +2% Equipment Efficacy per level (+2% to all 'good' equipment stats, -2% to all the 'bad' stats) Minmatar Logi: 10% Codebreaker Module Efficacy Per Level 2.) Those Assault and Assault Racial bonuses make no sense to be on an Assault suit. Those would be more fitting on a Commando suit, bit honestly, don't look like they fit very well on any suit. Suggestion: Assault Bonus: -5% Weapon PG/CPU costs per level Amarr: the current heat buildup bonus is great, leave it. Caldari: +2% Hybrid/Railgun Weapon RoF per level Gallente: +1% Hybrid/Blaster Weapon Damage Per Level Minmatar: +5% Projectile Weapon Magazine Size per level 3.)Why do you want to take away a slot from the Amarr Logi and give it to the Amarr Assault? As of right now(1.7) the Amarr Logi and Amarr Assault are well balanced with each other, and are the only Assault/Logi pair that is balanced... I see you did something similar with the Caldari pair, but to a more extreme level. Why? 4.) The Class bonuses can't be four different things, they should have the exact same affect on each racial suit. 5.) The proposed Amarr and Caldari Scout bonuses that can be seen on SiSi are fine. I have seen nobody complain about them, so why did you change them? Those cloaking bonuses sounded rad... I really don't have anything to say about the Sentinel and Commando suits... "I'm done!" slams doorGÇª walks back in and sits down "I still enjoy the forums."
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 802	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:19:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: 1.) Very few logis are please with the logistics racial bonuses because they are too specialised. You should try to make your post reflect that. Suggestion: Logistics Bonus: Same Amarr Logi: +10% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level Caldari Logi: +10% Shield Recharger Module Efficacy per level Gallente Logi: +2% Equipment Efficacy per level (+2% to all 'good' equipment stats, -2% to all the 'bad' stats) Minmatar Logi: 10% Codebreaker Module Efficacy Per Level 2.) Those Assault and Assault Racial bonuses make no sense to be on an Assault suit. Those would be more fitting on a Commando suit, bit honestly, don't look like they fit very well on any suit. Suggestion: Assault Bonus: -5% Weapon PG/CPU costs per level Amarr: the current heat buildup bonus is great, leave it. Caldari: +2% Hybrid/Railgun Weapon RoF per level Gallente: +1% Hybrid/Blaster Weapon Damage Per Level Minmatar: +5% Projectile Weapon Magazine Size per level 3.)Why do you want to take away a slot from the Amarr Logi and give it to the Amarr Assault? As of right now(1.7) the Amarr Logi and Amarr Assault are well balanced with each other, and are the only Assault/Logi pair that is balanced... I see you did something similar with the Caldari pair, but to a more extreme level. Why? 4.) The Class bonuses can't be four different things, they should have the exact same affect on each racial suit. 5.) The proposed Amarr and Caldari Scout bonuses that can be seen on SiSi are fine. I have seen nobody complain about them, so why did you change them? Those cloaking bonuses sounded rad... I really don't have anything to say about the Sentinel and Commando suits... 1.) ni didnt think about the logi thing like that so thanks for telling me 2.) ill reconsider the assault bonuses to something else 3.)im gonna have to check back on the slot layouts whenever i get back on dust, but i did that because of lore reasons and it doesnt seem right to make them have dual-like qualities the caldari im going to reconsider changing if you and other people think it too wierd or OP but im just thinking lore-like 4.) ill change that then, but i dont like a universal role bonus becasue the eve role bonuses are never the same so how come ours are in the first place? 5.) me and many other scouts have been argueing and thinking of solutions to fix the current bonuses since we dont find them that useful so we decided on something like that In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1323	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:27:00 - [5] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: 1.) Very few logis are please with the logistics racial bonuses because they are too specialised. You should try to make your post reflect that. Suggestion: Logistics Bonus: Same Amarr Logi: +10% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level Caldari Logi: +10% Shield Recharger Module Efficacy per level Gallente Logi: +2% Equipment Efficacy per level (+2% to all 'good' equipment stats, -2% to all the 'bad' stats) Minmatar Logi: 10% Codebreaker Module Efficacy Per Level 2.) Those Assault and Assault Racial bonuses make no sense to be on an Assault suit. Those would be more fitting on a Commando suit, bit honestly, don't look like they fit very well on any suit. Suggestion: Assault Bonus: -5% Weapon PG/CPU costs per level Amarr: the current heat buildup bonus is great, leave it. Caldari: +2% Hybrid/Railgun Weapon RoF per level Gallente: +1% Hybrid/Blaster Weapon Damage Per Level Minmatar: +5% Projectile Weapon Magazine Size per level 3.)Why do you want to take away a slot from the Amarr Logi and give it to the Amarr Assault? As of right now(1.7) the Amarr Logi and Amarr Assault are well balanced with each other, and are the only Assault/Logi pair that is balanced... I see you did something similar with the Caldari pair, but to a more extreme level. Why? 4.) The Class bonuses can't be four different things, they should have the exact same affect on each racial suit. 5.) The proposed Amarr and Caldari Scout bonuses that can be seen on SiSi are fine. I have seen nobody complain about them, so why did you change them? Those cloaking bonuses sounded rad... I really don't have anything to say about the Sentinel and Commando suits... 1.) ni didnt think about the logi thing like that so thanks for telling me 2.) ill reconsider the assault bonuses to something else 3.)im gonna have to check back on the slot layouts whenever i get back on dust, but i did that because of lore reasons and it doesnt seem right to make them have dual-like qualities the caldari im going to reconsider changing if you and other people think it too wierd or OP but im just thinking lore-like 4.) ill change that then, but i dont like a universal role bonus becasue the eve role bonuses are never the same so how come ours are in the first place? 5.) me and many other scouts have been argueing and thinking of solutions to fix the current bonuses since we dont find them that useful so we decided on something like that 3.)Heres a suggestion to make it more in line with what you were thinking. Amarr Logi Current: 3H 4L Proposed: 2H 5L Amarr Assault Current: 3H 3L Proposed: 2H 4L 4.) I understand that that is how it woks in EvE, but the current sestym seems to work fine. Why fix what isn't broken? 5.) I'll take your word for it. I'm no scout, so I'll let you decide. I just thought the cloaking bonuses looked pretty cool... "I'm done!" slams doorGÇª walks back in and sits down "I still enjoy the forums."
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 802	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:31:00 - [6] - Quote 3.) ill change it back, but it just seems so dual tanky to me. (i actually looked at some ships from eve and they are pretty similar so im ok with it now) In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 668	Posted - 2014.01.09 06:34:00 - [7] - Quote I agree with the sentiment Fizzer expressed. The Logi bonus needs to be the same across the races, the old logi bonus was just fine and one of the few things that can help a habitually slow suit, individual racial logi suit bonuses may vary. Personally I feel the Minmatar logi suit was fine before the proposed change, no need to change it just because everything else is being changed, but if it is necessary then the codebreaker module is not really necessarily a logistic suit specific item and doesn't seem to fit, nor does the rep tool. I suggest going with the 10%/5% reduction in PG/CPU need for equipment. It is far more useful for any logi and the Minmatar suit suffers a great deal when equipping both a tank and equipment. LogiGod earns his pips
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 802	Posted - 2014.01.09 23:41:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: 1.) Very few logis are please with the logistics racial bonuses because they are too specialised. You should try to make your post reflect that. Suggestion: Logistics Bonus: Same Amarr Logi: +10% Armor Repair Module Efficacy per level Caldari Logi: +10% Shield Recharger Module Efficacy per level Gallente Logi: +2% Equipment Efficacy per level (+2% to all 'good' equipment stats, -2% to all the 'bad' stats) Minmatar Logi: 10% Codebreaker Module Efficacy Per Level 2.) Those Assault and Assault Racial bonuses make no sense to be on an Assault suit. Those would be more fitting on a Commando suit, bit honestly, don't look like they fit very well on any suit. Suggestion: Assault Bonus: -5% Weapon PG/CPU costs per level Amarr: the current heat buildup bonus is great, leave it. Caldari: +2% Hybrid/Railgun Weapon RoF per level Gallente: +1% Hybrid/Blaster Weapon Damage Per Level Minmatar: +5% Projectile Weapon Magazine Size per level 3.)Why do you want to take away a slot from the Amarr Logi and give it to the Amarr Assault? As of right now(1.7) the Amarr Logi and Amarr Assault are well balanced with each other, and are the only Assault/Logi pair that is balanced... I see you did something similar with the Caldari pair, but to a more extreme level. Why? 4.) The Class bonuses can't be four different things, they should have the exact same affect on each racial suit. 5.) The proposed Amarr and Caldari Scout bonuses that can be seen on SiSi are fine. I have seen nobody complain about them, so why did you change them? Those cloaking bonuses sounded rad... I really don't have anything to say about the Sentinel and Commando suits... fixed In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 13	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread read this one too if youre here. This one is scout specific, but i think it deserves some attention Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 802	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:16:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread read this one too if youre here. This one is scout specific, but i think it deserves some attention im already involved with that thread if you havent noticed me In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1326	Posted - 2014.01.10 06:32:00 - [11] - Quote That looks great! Assaults would be good at assaulting, as their increased stamina would allow them more versatile movement across the field of battle so they can be the first combat ready units to a point so they could truly assault it, while their racial bonus would make certain weapons truly shine when they weild them. They would be something kind of like shock troops. Logis could equip better equipment do yo their bonus, and still have a useful racial bonus that doesn't tie them to an equipment type, but also doesn't allow them to kill more efficiently than assaults. They would have the ability to use equipment to keep their teammates going for the long run. The stamina bonus for assaults does fit their role quite well, too. It gets rid of a damage buff for assaults (thus increasing TTK), but allows them to get from point to point very well, which is something an assaults suit should be good at. I approve of this list, or at least the medium frame parts... CCP really should take a look at this. "I'm done!" slams doorGÇª walks back in and sits down "I still enjoy the forums."
The Rolling Stone Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:12:00 - [12] - Quote Shouldn't the Caldari bonuses be a damage resistance to plasma weapons , seeing as how the Gali AR is a plasma weapon ??? CCP has done the same and reflected it as a lazar resistance when Amarr uses lazars and are suppose to be Caldari's allies . That one I just didn't understand , when people are now calling for the Gali AR to be called a " Plasma Rifle ."
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 804	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:24:00 - [13] - Quote correct me if i'm wrong but, the gallente AR is a "plasma rifle" and therefore it does EM/kinetic damage, but the caldari RR is more of a kinetic/thermal type of damage. caldari and amarr are allies but there biggest weakness are lasers so they need some type of protection from that ever in case the need arises In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1542	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:33:00 - [14] - Quote Giving the Amarr scout a x% to stamina mods is just as dumb as giving them a bonus to uplinks I just find it stupid a waste of a suit. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 804	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:37:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Giving the Amarr scout a x% to stamina mods is just as dumb as giving them a bonus to uplinks I just find it stupid a waste of a suit. well, from what i remember the amarr are the best at running long distances, but hey i am wanting EVERYONES opinion/feedback, so what do you think it should be? In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 804	Posted - 2014.01.10 08:53:00 - [16] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Giving the Amarr scout a x% to stamina mods is just as dumb as giving them a bonus to uplinks I just find it stupid a waste of a suit. REMINDER: i am still making the appropriate adjustments to the skills and bonuses In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines 2033	Posted - 2014.01.10 09:20:00 - [17] - Quote So far it seems good, its just one of those things you will get agreed with or burnt on but I think its looking damn good. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 806	Posted - 2014.01.10 09:24:00 - [18] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: So far it seems good, its just one of those things you will get agreed with or burnt on but I think its looking damn good. true, but im just getting everyones ideas/suggestions to make the other suits besides the scouts less OP. IMO the heavies are fine since they need that extra protection, and commandos seem duable since they can have 2 light weapons and they get extra dmg In Rust We Trust, true to the Republic, Kherokior warrior
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1327	Posted - 2014.01.10 10:42:00 - [19] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: correct me if i'm wrong but, the gallente AR is a "plasma rifle" and therefore it does EM/kinetic damage, but the caldari RR is more of a kinetic/thermal type of damage. caldari and amarr are allies but there biggest weakness are lasers so they need some type of protection from that ever in case the need arises Both Railguns and Blazers dot Kinetic/Thermal damage. They both use the same ammo, but they fire it differently. While blasters ionize the entire cartridge and then send it to the target with electro magnetic fields, railguns just fire the entire cartridge at the enemy with electromagnets. Blasters do a lot of thermal damage with a bit of kinetic damage as well, because the enemy is getting hit fairly hard with a large amount of hot plasma. Rails do a lot of kinetic damage with a bit of thermal damage a s well, because the enemy is getting hit really hard with containers that are oftentimes filled with matter that ionizes on impact. "I'm done!" slams doorGÇª walks back in and sits down "I still enjoy the forums."


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