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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:21:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP? ScP
Actually, there was a thread about SCPs being OP a while back.
I lost the link though.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:23:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP?
Sleek Locus Grenades.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:57:00 -
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RR is OP because it has a longer range to apply the same damage every other gun does. If it had lower DPS then if would be balanced. If I had a gun that did 1000 damage In 1 shot at 3 meters and a not her gun that did 1000 damage in 1 shot at 6 meters? Which one is better? Obviously then second one because it does the exact same thing as gun 1 but for a longer range. This is the RR. |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.09 06:11:00 -
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Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The scrambler rifle is by far, a faster killer, so you really can't exclude it. The rail kinda competes with it, you know.
Note that the big weakness of the rail rifle is that it's near useless in close quarters. That and the firing delay, I feel, balance it out for mid-long range combat. Absolutely not by far, Also the firing delay and its hipfire spread do nearly nothing to gimp it in cqc I doubt youve ever used anything above the std variant
You may doubt all you wish, but you'd be wrong. I have proto rails, proficiency... 4 currently. I have to switch to an SMG for close quarters.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.01.09 06:24:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP?
Plasma Cannon, Nova Knives, probably Scrambler Pistol, um, I think that's it.
Maybe Laser Rifle, but it may have. Don't remember. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:15:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Yeaaah... CR only 5m. Someone butt hurt at too many RR deaths? It may be OP compared to the Plasma Rifle, but vs Scr, CR it's in good company. Plasma Rifle still going strong though, it's more of an all rounder rather than good at specific. Guess we have balance.
Eh?
If you want an all rounded weapon just use a combat rifle. It does more damage than the AR, is more accurate, sprays more rounds so you're more likely to hit something, has a longer range, has a scope, has excellent hipfire... Also it does more damage. Because seriously, that thing does a LOT of damage.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:29:00 -
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I run gek 38s so I am biased, but I decided to sho with math why RR are op, and beat AR in close ranged, when they should not by canon/intention. These figures are using the standard variants of each. The difference may be greater or lesser in adv. And proto. Variants. I use a term call hose time to describe the amount of time it takes to fire a whole clip/magazine.
AR DPS= 435. RR DPS = 432
Ar hose time= 4.8. RR hose time= 5.6
Damage per magazine Ar =2040 RR =2400
Accuracy: Ar= 55.1. RR = 58.26
What gives the RR the edge is its increased damage per magazine and extended duration to spray a d pray, as well as its greater hip firei accuracy. An Ar will get less bullets on target due to its decreased hip fire accuracy, and will have to reload sooner while an RR can keep spraying bullets in his face. Even if you factor in the .25 charge up time the RR only loses 108 damage at the start of the engagement while gaining 344 after an Ar would need to reload. I can only assume these numbers become greater with higher tier rail rifles. That coupled with the higher effective range and lack of dispersion while aiming down sites makes them much More powerful then Ar s in just about all circumstances.
Please note I did all this math by hand and would appreciate someone checking my work, and please forgive any formatting or spelling errors, this tablet hates me.
As far as my reccomendations to make the RR function more in line with e role it was Intended, I think simply reducing the hip fire accuracy would make it perform more in line with the role it was designed for, much like tactile Ars are very inaccurate fired from the hip. Reducing its ammo capacity or ROF some might also make it less effective in cqc, however I think that might nerf the gun more then needed.
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
630
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:36:00 -
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I'm trying to see the over poweredness of the rail rifle. Its very good at its optimal, which is the same as the scrambler rifle, although with the charge shot of the scrambler and on an amarr suit with skills the scram deals much more damage and a lot faster than the RR due to charge shots.
I don't run damage mods and I'm thinking this is probably why, any suit with decent shields takes about half my clip to get through. I have prof 3. Armor does go down pretty quick but isn't that what the gun was designed for? When I have to use my RR CQC I usually get out gunned, geks beat me 9 times out of 10 unless they were already pretty hurt. Combat rifle beats me always, even at range, which still confuses me.
I also thought that aim assist would make it over powered, since I have mine off I miss some shots and stop firing to readjust my aim then have the charge delay. If every shot hit because magnetic bullets and such then I could see it being op.
I don't really care tho, its a caldari weapon and that's why I use it. I just hope gallente QQ doesn't Nerf it into uselessness....
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:52:00 -
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Its mostly that it has a higher degree of error in cqc, has equivalent DPS to an Ar, but has far greater range then an Ar. Its op BC it can perform the same job as an Ar in cqc, and also snipe ya from 100m away. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:14:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The scrambler rifle is by far, a faster killer, so you really can't exclude it. The rail kinda competes with it, you know.
Note that the big weakness of the rail rifle is that it's near useless in close quarters. That and the firing delay, I feel, balance it out for mid-long range combat.
you must not have ever meet me in close quarters with my rail than cause it hipfire rag dolls people like a bag of hammers.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:39:00 -
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Shruikan Iceeye wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Shruikan Iceeye wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The scrambler rifle is by far, a faster killer, so you really can't exclude it. The rail kinda competes with it, you know.
Note that the big weakness of the rail rifle is that it's near useless in close quarters. That and the firing delay, I feel, balance it out for mid-long range combat. Absolutely not by far, Also the firing delay and its hipfire spread do nearly nothing to gimp it in cqc I doubt youve ever used anything above the std variant the RR seems op because everybody armor tanks I would agree with that if i hadn't experienced S.T.D RRs absolutely EAT through shields like they weren't even there
Thats a shield problem, they need uigher hp thzn 401 because they rely on it
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3818
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:42:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP? Plasma Cannon, Nova Knives, probably Scrambler Pistol, um, I think that's it. Maybe Laser Rifle, but it may have. Don't remember.
There was a NK is OP thread a while back.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:53:00 -
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Might be?
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Oh an a middle finger to Fagqueera Bleuetta=ƒÆ¬
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.01.09 13:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP? Plasma Cannon, Nova Knives, probably Scrambler Pistol, um, I think that's it. Maybe Laser Rifle, but it may have. Don't remember.
Laser rifle?
Oh God... Don't remind me. You must be new.
dat Manus Peak Ambush o.O
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Number of PRO-turret HAVs killed w/ my permahardened MLT Blaster Gunny - 2 (so far xD)
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:31:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Joel II X wrote:Michael Arck wrote:What weapon hasn't been given the title of OP? Plasma Cannon, Nova Knives, probably Scrambler Pistol, um, I think that's it. Maybe Laser Rifle, but it may have. Don't remember. Laser rifle? Oh God... Don't remind me. You must be new. dat Manus Peak Ambush o.O
Back in the day, we use to melt heavies in .01 seconds with a preheated laser rifle.
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