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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:47:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Proto Basic Frames look better than their racial proto variants. I forgot that part too. The skin is dark, providing a tactical movement advantage I don't get with my NASCAR Logi.
Well I think I am one of a very few who has and occasionally uses the proto Caldari basic medium suit and I think the actual Assault Caldari suit looks much better. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.08 19:57:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:jenza aranda wrote:Honestly I would sooner see the basic suits removed. Excellent idea. mhm
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
436
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:13:00 -
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Unless they want to give the basic frames a "per level bonus" which also affects the branching suits, I say just remove them.
I do like the idea of them having a bonus that carries over to their weight/size's specialist roles though. So a medium frame's bonus would count for both logistics and assault suits of the same race.
EDIT: Minmatar medium frame hacking speed?
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Trained Skills
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el OPERATOR
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:27:00 -
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Let me try it this way: The bonus built into every basic suit regardless of race is that they're half the SP to get into.That's half the time, that's half the grind, for a suit that has the exact same slot layouts/specs as their more SP expensive specialist counterparts. How much "DUST has no diversity" QQ could be avoided if people just ran a basic suit that was opposite of their main fit occasionally?
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:00:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote: Booo, two thumbs down. I run MinBasic suits all the time, and the idea of having them removed completely burns me hard. For those who don't use them, then don't use them. Not everything in here is going to serve your purposes.
For me, the basic suits have allowed me to get a medium frame with the same stats as its assault counterpart for HALF the SP investment. No bonus, but that's fine, I'll deal. The PROTO is more expensive ISK-wise than the assault, yes, but again, its HALF the SP invested. The slot layout works for me and my role (Combat Logistics, regardless of suit) and lets me field an overall relatively (SP and ISK-wise) cheaper suit than my Logistics suits that by design has a little more "beef" in the armor and shields. I've done this since crunching the numbers in beta/start of Uprising. The designed purpose is there.
I also have a basic heavy suit. Again, no bonuses. Yet again, HALF the SP investment. This suit allows me the ability to field a Heavy weapon at point defense when its needed as well as have a heavy armor option to use when everybody on the squad says, "I'm a logi."
Please read the whole thread:
Reav Hannari wrote:I like Jenza and Dent's idea to just remove them. The thought hadn't even crossed my mind. The basic frames are pale imitations of the assault and scout and even with some form of skill benefit you aren't gaining anything. Let people go straight into the specialized suits. The SP you save will even let dedicated logistics and scouts pick up an advanced assault frame for doing secondary roles.
Kill them with fire.
Removing basic frames would entail a reduction of sp costs of getting into the "specializations." Removal may also warrant reductions of the skill modifier of assaults, scouts, etc. Furthermore, the talk of tiericide would also reduce the sp grind.
As it is, basic frames are dead content and increase the grind. They are a needless sp sink. They are in definite need of either removal or revamping. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:07:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Honestly I would sooner see the basic suits removed.
+1 here. Once the caldari and Minmatar suits are released those are going to become the go-to suits for AV purposes due to most likely having more high slots. This would make the amarr heavy frame less than needed. It would also remove an SP sink from suit roles and let CCP actually make tech II style stuff rather than trying to pass it off as useful. Assault and Logi suits are useful. medium frames are more or less laughable.
Amarr and Gallente are highly likely to be the go-to brawler suits in CQC because of probable slot layouts.
As said above Minmatar and caldari will be the go-to suits for AV unless CCP severely adjusts the destructive capacity of the forge gun upward so that it stands on it's own without damage mod stacking. |
Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention
678
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:38:00 -
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I prefer to see them cheaper than specialized suits... At least it would give them purpose in the economic POV
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:13:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote: Let me try it this way: The bonus built into every basic suit regardless of race is that they're half the SP to get into.That's half the time, that's half the grind, for a suit that has the exact same slot layouts/specs as their more SP expensive specialist counterparts. How much "DUST has no diversity" QQ could be avoided if people just ran a basic suit that was opposite of their main fit occasionally?
I address this in my full request section thread. Please read that next: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134474
We don't have diversity. We have a bunch of suits that look the same, do basically the same thing and have a lot of grind to unlock. If we remove the unneeded suits then CCP can focus on creating delivering the missing suits and then creating new specializations.
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Lazy Scumbag
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2014.01.09 14:16:00 -
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Scrap 'em. They only exist to keep new players in substandard gear for longer (sink). All the suits need rethinking in my mind. Not enough differentiation. Lots of dual tankers out there these days. |
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