DUST Search - Soraya Xel: Your CPM1 Candidate? Didn't think so...

DUST Fiend wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Obviously you spent your skills unwisely, as you decided to skill into a logi suit to do a scout suit's job, when you long knew the bonuses provided were temporary. That was a poor choice, but it doesn't entitle you to a respec.

i spent my sp specifically for the bonus that the suit had, well before ccp said they were temporary. So yes, we deserve a respec.

And this guy wants on the CPM?

::facepalm::

Not you Paran, most top end players have very specific builds that evolve out of the tools at hand. Having those tools fundementally altered entirely negates some past decisions. There are new suits coming, and completely new bonuses to all suits it would seem (except scouts? guess CCP really hates them), it completely alters the game and requires people to have the option to sit down with their accumulated SP and make an informed decision based on the new foundation set by CCP.

Seeing as the vehicle respec happened without a hitch, it is fair to expect an infantry based respec at the very least, if not an optional full respec like the one shortly after Uprising launched.

This game suffers from poor impressions even amongst its most loyal fans, the last thing we need is to infuriate a large portion of the community.

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Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1859	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:42:00 - [1] - Quote How can ANY CPM candidate not support a respec when changes this drastic are in the pipeline? You cannot represent any segment of the population with "spent your SP on a suit that now has a new role? tough." Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
The Attorney General 1732	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:45:00 - [2] - Quote For true. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11684	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:52:00 - [3] - Quote I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2549	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:54:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented.
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4389	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:54:00 - [5] - Quote I was going to say it sounded like IWS was against a respec for these changes but Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. It appears that is not the case. Even the anti-respec people are saying this is substantial enough for a respec. Soraya Xel is out of touch with the community. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1157	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:54:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. What's your problem with respect :P Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 133	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:54:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. You dripped some on your chin... EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5370	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:56:00 - [8] - Quote I used to slaughter kittens in respec threads, and I still fully support an infantry respec when these changes go through (because China has already decided that it's happening) Never forget How to fix the Logi
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3170	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:56:00 - [9] - Quote While I do disagree with her stance concerning respecs, I'm not so narrow-minded to the point where her opinion on ONE simple topic would sway my vote. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11684	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:57:00 - [10] - Quote ... stupid auto-correction >< CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1860	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I was going to say it sounded like IWS was against a respec for these changes but Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. It appears that is not the case. Even the anti-respec people are saying this is substantial enough for a respec. Soraya Xel is out of touch with the community. I am against arbitrary respecs such that, you could buy one, or get one every six months, etc, because FOTM and other issues. However, in this case, as was the case for vehicles, massive changes are being brought, so a one time limited repsec would be fair. At the very least, I'd like to have the hacking skill on another suit, as I enjoy that role, without having to grind 2 months to get it. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4389	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented. I don't really know if we'd need another vehicle respec or not. It appears CCP designed the new vehicle skill tree with the notion to end requests for vehicle respecs, since you unlock all racial vehicles, even racial assault dropships, with the same skill. However, what you skill into on Vehicle Upgrades is directly dependent on what vehicle you are using. So perhaps another respec just for the Vehicle Upgrades tree, but not the Vehicle Command or Turret skill trees. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Dengru Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 363	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:58:00 - [13] - Quote Sorya channeling her inner George Bush... Read my lips: No More Respecs (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3172	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:59:00 - [14] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. What's your problem with respect :P It's overrated. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
pseudosnipre 477	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:06:00 - [15] - Quote A slippery slope indeed...demanding respecs at this point in time. Not to mention that scout suits have yet to drop... And what about when all the vehicles come online...will you want one then as well? What about when pilot suits come out? What about when dropships include fighter class, will ADS pilots get a respec? Will HAV operators want respecs when MAVs and MTACs come out. Tell you what, submit a request for a character reset and then you can put SP wherever you want. Problem solved! But a respec every time things get tweaked? No. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1861	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:09:00 - [16] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: A slippery slope indeed...demanding respecs at this point in time. Not to mention that scout suits have yet to drop... And what about when all the vehicles come online...will you want one then as well? What about when pilot suits come out? What about when dropships include fighter class, will ADS pilots get a respec? Will HAV operators want respecs when MAVs and MTACs come out. Tell you what, submit a request for a character reset and then you can put SP wherever you want. Problem solved! But a respec every time things get tweaked? No. This isnt about new content being added, or buff/nerf or adjustments otherwise, its about the entire role of suits being changed. Are you that think you cant see that? I and Im sure many others, spec'd min logi specifically for speedhacking. If that role is erased and the suit is now meant to babysit by providing reps, I want to respec into the suit that offers me a speedhacking bonus, or spec into something different entirely. We shouldnt be punished by CCP's shortsightedness. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
pseudosnipre 477	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:10:00 - [17] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I was going to say it sounded like IWS was against a respec for these changes but Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. It appears that is not the case. Even the anti-respec people are saying this is substantial enough for a respec. Soraya Xel is out of touch with the community. I am against arbitrary respecs such that, you could buy one, or get one every six months, etc, because FOTM and other issues. However, in this case, as was the case for vehicles, massive changes are being brought, so a one time limited repsec would be fair. At the very least, I'd like to have the hacking skill on another suit, as I enjoy that role, without having to grind 2 months to get it. sigh They made a squad support more-so. With that being said...minmatar logi's DID get royally boned...so your move CCP. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1507	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:14:00 - [18] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented. The problem is that it wouldn't be the end of it. Give the players more respecs and they think they can always get another one. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9741	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:15:00 - [19] - Quote From the other thread: DUST Fiend wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Obviously you spent your skills unwisely, as you decided to skill into a logi suit to do a scout suit's job, when you long knew the bonuses provided were temporary. That was a poor choice, but it doesn't entitle you to a respec. i spent my sp specifically for the bonus that the suit had, well before ccp said they were temporary. So yes, we deserve a respec. And this guy wants on the CPM? ::facepalm:: Not you Paran, most top end players have very specific builds that evolve out of the tools at hand. Having those tools fundementally altered entirely negates some past decisions. There are new suits coming, and completely new bonuses to all suits it would seem (except scouts? guess CCP really hates them), it completely alters the game and requires people to have the option to sit down with their accumulated SP and make an informed decision based on the new foundation set by CCP. Seeing as the vehicle respec happened without a hitch, it is fair to expect an infantry based respec at the very least, if not an optional full respec like the one shortly after Uprising launched. This game suffers from poor impressions even amongst its most loyal fans, the last thing we need is to infuriate a large portion of the community. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 127	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:20:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: While I do disagree with her stance concerning respecs, I'm not so narrow-minded to the point where her opinion on ONE simple topic would sway my vote. Lol that's not a girl

Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:29:00 - [21] - Quote Currently we have 1 sentinel, 1 commando, 4 assaults, 4 logistics, 2 scouts. 1.8 seems to be getting 3 sentinels and 3 commandos. Still missing 2 scouts suits. They seemed to stop working on the Pilot and Crusader suits :( so I'll ignore them. Apparently we are getting a bolt pistol and Magsec SMG; 2 Caldari sidearms. That means we are missing 1 Amarr sidearm and 2 Gallente Sidearms. And 3 racial version of the nova knife (lol, no, no-one cares about that) That's is full racial parity. No respec till all of it exists. Despite how much I would like one, I just feel like we would be asking for them everytime. Actually that would suck so much. We'd all also have way too much SP. But what do you guys really think about when more suits come out? Do we do a respec every time? This doesn't seem like a good thing for them to happen so often- or at least for free. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1861	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:32:00 - [22] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Currently we have 1 sentinel, 1 commando, 4 assaults, 4 logistics, 2 scouts. 1.8 seems to be getting 3 sentinels and 3 commandos. Still missing 2 scouts suits. They seemed to stop working on the Pilot and Crusader suits :( so I'll ignore them. Apparently we are getting a bolt pistol and Magsec SMG; 2 Caldari sidearms. That means we are missing 1 Amarr sidearm and 2 Gallente Sidearms. And 3 racial version of the nova knife (lol, no, no-one cares about that) That's is full racial parity. No respec till all of it exists. Despite how much I would like one, I just feel like we would be asking for them everytime. Actually that would suck so much. We'd all also have way too much SP. But what do you guys really think about when more suits come out? Do we do a respec every time? This doesn't seem like a good thing for them to happen so often- or at least for free. Not for new content, but when the entire role of the suit is altered such that the gameplay will be completely different, they'd be stupid not to. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Avallo Kantor Scions of Athra 302	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:35:00 - [23] - Quote I despise the idea of a respec, but if these changes go as proposed, one will be needed. Especially as it will give heavy players the ability to choose their racial, Logis to choose which equipment specialty they wish to pursue, and Assault players, if the changes remain as is, to choose one of the three viable racial suits.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 352	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:00:00 - [24] - Quote First, Soraya is not a woman. Second, I believe his main objective is the strengthening and improvement of the Dust/Eve connection, because as it stands, we bunnies don't matter. I think he'd also like CCP to be a little more transparent about the changes they are making with the general Dust populace, which of course would help players when it comes to skillpoint distribution, among many other things. He'll have to tell you about his opinion on respecs, but I believe that his goal is to make the player experience matter, and that includes having consequences for your actions. Disclaimer: This is my opinion on Soraya's campaign platform. I have no insight into his actual views. Preeminent Scrambler Rifle User: Ice Up, Son.. Ice Up
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 458	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:03:00 - [25] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented. I'm with you on this.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:08:00 - [26] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented. I added the emphasis. I've been saying this for ages. When CCP finally gets all the basic content such as basic racial suits, vehicles, and weapons in the game, give us a full respec, and then no more. No more respecs if your stuff gets nerfed, no more respecs if someone else's stuff gets buffed, no more respecs if they change something, no more respecs if they add something. To clarify, basic dropsuit means [Race] [Size] Frame. An assault suit is not a basic suit. It has a specialized role. Once this basic content is in the game it will help tremendously with balancing efforts. People can make better decisions on where to place SP. And then, if you place all your SP in a few things to get proto gear, and that gear gets nerfed, well you put all your eggs in one basket.
Aisha Ctarl Ctarl - Ctarl Empire 2744	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:11:00 - [27] - Quote I'm anti respec and even I realize that if these changes are brought into fruition, a respec at that point will HAVE to be given as an option to all players unless CCP wants a serious player backlash. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2552	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:15:00 - [28] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am an anti-respect proponent and I have to say I have nearly no case for going against a respec with this and more changes comming. I only want to see one last full respec (Note how I said FULL) when all the basic racial content is implemented. The problem is that it wouldn't be the end of it. Give the players more respecs and they think they can always get another one. Yea so? It's CCPs game. If they want to give respecs then they will if they don't then they don't. I don't think this would be bad considering the basic racial content was supposed to be released within 6 months of Uprisings release.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1508	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:29:00 - [29] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: I despise the idea of a respec, but if these changes go as proposed, one will be needed. Especially as it will give heavy players the ability to choose their racial, Logis to choose which equipment specialty they wish to pursue, and Assault players, if the changes remain as is, to choose one of the three viable racial suits. Not necessarely needed. The roles don't change that much and the Skilltree basically stays the same. But the current bonuses were only placeholder bonuses. And we couldn't know what kind of equipment will proft from what Logi suit for example. So I'm not as opposed to respecs when these changes come, even though I wouldn't have a problem if we don't get one. After all there's at least a whole month to save up SP for the suit we want to use. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!


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