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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 757	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 238	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:23:00 - [2] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. At least 15 hp/s while repping someone I use a tablet so beware of typos
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 758	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:11:00 - [3] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. At least 15 hp/s while repping someone while i would like that especially as i prefer to have my rep tool out rather than my weapon it would just get abused by none logis . i think 5 about right. out of los repair while you rep your bodyguard. not too much that your fighting fit in a few secs. although no harm in ccp trying the higher rate then lowering it if they think its being abused https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 283	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:19:00 - [5] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. At least 15 hp/s while repping someone while i would like that especially as i prefer to have my rep tool out rather than my weapon it would just get abused by none logis . i think 5 about right. out of los repair while you rep your bodyguard. not too much that your fighting fit in a few secs. although no harm in ccp trying the higher rate then lowering it if they think its being abused 5 hp/s would be worthless and abused how? You hafe to lock to activate it, 15/s minimum as you cant stay alive off 5, look at the gal assault I use a tablet so beware of typos
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:20:00 - [6] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices. This is after the logi nerf so people use the rep tools and it would really help squishy logis I use a tablet so beware of typos
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 758	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:22:00 - [7] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices. so i rep the assaulter, i have a logi repping me, there is a logi repping him, there is now a conga line of 1 assault at the front and 15 logis behind. dont be stupid. why don't you carry your own reps instead of relying on logis to do all the work and carry the expense for you. what the harm of a logi receiving 5hp rep while his reptool is active. when we have it out we are already at a disadvantage to everyone else and what's 5hp if you take out my bodyguard. nothing. id be dead before i can switch to a weapon especially after the suit changes come into effect https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Garth Mandra wrote: Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices. so i rep the assaulter, i have a logi repping me, there is a logi repping him, there is now a conga line of 1 assault at the front and 15 logis behind. dont be stupid. why don't you carry your own reps instead of relying on logis to do all the work and carry the expense for you. what the harm of a logi receiving 5hp rep while his reptool is active. when we have it out we are already at a disadvantage to everyone else and what's 5hp if you take out my bodyguard. nothing. id be dead before i can switch to a weapon especially after the suit changes come into effect No 5 id too damm small and not rewardin, its like the daily sp all over again, they remove 6k sp a day but add 6k sp daily login I use a tablet so beware of typos
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 253	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:19:00 - [9] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices. So get a logi to help thel ogi to help the logi which hold an another logi ? And after you will complain there's too much logi ? xD
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 56	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:49:00 - [10] - Quote I think CCP could consider a sub-model which has less repairing capacity but a part of the beam is directed toward who holds the Armor Repairer. If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.

jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 239	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:31:00 - [11] - Quote Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: I think CCP could consider a sub-model which has less repairing capacity but a part of the beam is directed toward who holds the Armor Repairer. yes! aso gets 3 logi's every logi gets a beam ? profit! I use a tablet so beware of typos
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 89	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:34:00 - [12] - Quote I support this if: -it only works while actively reping damage -doesn't give triage bonus for self heal Also,ignore Jeremy he's a major troll.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 253	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:27:00 - [13] - Quote Meee One wrote: I support this if: -it only works while actively reping damage -doesn't give triage bonus for self heal Also,ignore Jeremy he's a major troll. says the troll, dyst0pia wants you to get kicked, but i agree I use a tablet so beware of typos
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 7	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:53:00 - [14] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. At least 15 hp/s while repping someone while i would like that especially as i prefer to have my rep tool out rather than my weapon it would just get abused by none logis . i think 5 about right. out of los repair while you rep your bodyguard. not too much that your fighting fit in a few secs. although no harm in ccp trying the higher rate then lowering it if they think its being abused I like this idea, a lot, although I think 5 hp/s self-repping is plenty... Should it self-rep only while repping someone else or should it also work while in hand but not repping someone - maybe that's your advanced and proto options. I'd also like to be able to quick tap between Rep Tool and weapon, like an Assault can quick tap between primary and secondary weapons.
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 7	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:27:00 - [15] - Quote or do like a guardian/oneiros in eve, increase the repair rate in self repair tools and lower the fitting requirements for the armor repair tool. so the logi can self repair and still be able to rep other people. to offset a loss of the low slot they get a 200hp buff to armor. people like saying logis are OP.. well they can be.. to offset this... NO logi can fit any damage mod of any kind. and before you say that a 200 hp buff is OP it's not... guns doing 400-1000 dps means I still die in less then 2 seconds from a full burst of any weapon.. the little extra HP may mean I can GTFO of the line of fire and find some cover. problem solved.. logis are there to keep the team mates alive and failing that revive them and repair them and not used at all as a frontline combat suit. no damage mods equals no one will use them for an assault suit. a logi will then be used for the intended purpose field medic and equipment supplier. instead of just nerfing the stuff you don't like and buffing what you do like, why not make suggestions and compromises that don't wreck a play style that many people like.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 147	Posted - 2014.01.15 16:17:00 - [16] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. or you can stop trying to stack all plates and use a rep mod like we all have to do. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 31	Posted - 2014.01.15 16:57:00 - [17] - Quote I'm not in favor of this idea. There's more than enough Logis running around New Eden (once saw eight(!) rep tools on one heavy) that we Logis can bum a few reps when needed.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 786	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:34:00 - [18] - Quote Aleph Rynedee wrote: I'm not in favor of this idea. There's more than enough Logis running around New Eden (once saw eight(!) rep tools on one heavy) that we Logis can bum a few reps when needed. after the changes there are going to be a lot less logis as they are going to be weaker in combat. also a lot of the assault logis that would have carried needles,triage hives or even a repair in the past are going to change to assaults with the new bonuses which make them stronger killers. those who are dedicated medics will also drop because the life expectancy of medics are going to drop a lot. with loadout changes we are likely to also lose a slot as well as the rep bonus so making it even harder to fit reasonable tank. its not like i'm asking for a passive bonus. this way of repairs working means that when i take some damage i don't automatically have to run away leaving the blue/green to die. once he is dead im next and with the changes we will die a hell of alot more than we used to. with a repairing yourself while repairing the friendly it means you don't have to switch to a weapon or run away straight away and hopefully it will buy you enough time to survive. get 5+hps while using your repair tool or dealing 4-500dps to the enemy and letting triage hives do all the work for me. for me the job is about keeping people in the fight, but what use is that if you can't keep yourself in the fight https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 162	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:01:00 - [19] - Quote A logi's with built in repps assisted in making the slayer logi overly popular. Removing this puts us back into our support role. The reason we shouldn't rep ourselves with our beam is because of balance. We rep the front line, and in turn the front line protects us. This gives the oppostion the chance to break the chain by downing the logi first. If your team are doing their job, the logi has no need to worry. If they are not, PUT AWAY THAT FREAKING WP FARMING TOOL!!!! and switch to your primary light weapon of choice. If you need personal reps as a logi, bring in the wyokomi (however it is spelled) nanohives.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 786	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote i'm a 99% time spent logibro with repair in hand. i only go to assault type suits (none logi) when logis are pointless in the fight. i tell you now if as i expect logis don't live long in fights to do their job i will quit doing it and i know alot of other will do it aswell. try making your assault fits with your own reps because we won't be needlessly risking 1-200k isk suits to save your asses logibro really is a thankless job. all the clones and millions of isk worth of fits you save people daily and you can't even get the people you save to agree to a tiny buff to you which would help you help them, which only works anyway while you are actively repairing someone who is taking damage so wouldn't help assault logis which will be dead by then anyway and wouldn't help anyone who didn't have one fit and actively using it. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 691	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:31:00 - [21] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i'm a 99% time spent logibro with repair in hand. i only go to assault type suits (none logi) when logis are pointless in the fight. i tell you now if as i expect logis don't live long in fights to do their job i will quit doing it and i know alot of other will do it aswell. try making your assault fits with your own reps because we won't be needlessly risking 1-200k isk suits to save your asses logibro really is a thankless job. all the clones and millions of isk worth of fits you save people daily and you can't even get the people you save to agree to a tiny buff to you which would help you help them, which only works anyway while you are actively repairing someone who is taking damage so wouldn't help assault logis which will be dead by then anyway and wouldn't help anyone who didn't have one fit and actively using it. Well said. I have been a Logi since Open Beta and see how little difference having 5HP/s reps makes. It is a far better option than having additional equipment bonuses (specific equipment) on each logi suit because that removes choice and benefit at the same time. My logi suits serve many purposes and I rarely spawn in the same suit more than twice per match. Of which only one of the suits may have the piece of equipment that benefits from being on my suit. I see no reason for the change, check my signature for my reasons why. LogiGod earns his pips
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 238	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:50:00 - [22] - Quote A logi buff :/ People will just pull it out to recover more. Make sure that Healing a "blue berry" is how you get reps. Every time you get 25 WP you get 10 HP. Fair trade due to people will just pull out the repair tool to heal them selfs if thats all they have to do Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 792	Posted - 2014.01.15 22:16:00 - [23] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: A logi buff :/ People will just pull it out to recover more. Make sure that Healing a "blue berry" is how you get reps. Every time you get 25 WP you get 10 HP. Fair trade due to people will just pull out the repair tool to heal them selfs if thats all they have to do thats the point. it only reps you while you rep them. if they are not damaged you are not repping them so not repping yourself and it would be pointless addition to assault logis because it would be taking up not only a equipment place where a triage hive would do the job better but it would also add to the cost of the fit substantially. if someone wants to spend 40k for 5hps but only when someone else is taking damage then more fool them. it would have zero buff effect on anyone not using the tool for its main and only purpose. to repair another. no other player and no damage = no repair now that i think about it 5 isn't enough https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 162	Posted - 2014.01.16 03:09:00 - [24] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Well said. I have been a Logi since Open Beta and see how little difference having 5HP/s reps makes. It is a far better option than having additional equipment bonuses (specific equipment) on each logi suit because that removes choice and benefit at the same time. My logi suits serve many purposes and I rarely spawn in the same suit more than twice per match. Of which only one of the suits may have the piece of equipment that benefits from being on my suit. I see no reason for the change, check my signature for my reasons why. Closed beta support logi here. Been repping even when we got no warpoints for doing so. I was one of if not the first support style logi used in the original corp battles by a major corp. I did more with way less and I did fine. Go back to brick tanking with reps, no more than an advanced weapon . Use support style weapons like the MD for burst DPS if your squad is taking heavy fire. Use cover always, even if all you have is squad mates.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 882	Posted - 2014.02.01 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote still want https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1885	Posted - 2014.02.02 01:06:00 - [26] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: Nope. Fit reps or get a buddy with a rep tool just like everyone else. Fitting is about choices. Speaking of fittings I'm still waiting to see examples which support the idea that the new changes are good thing. /more on topic In general theory I like the idea because frankly support players need more eHP to get their work done effectively. That being said there are some direct flaws that jump to mind as well. Racial balance - This benefits the Min suit more than any others simply because they are more likely to already be using repair tools than the rest. While that's great for folks like me who run proto Min it does skew balance somewhat. Limiting fittings flex - With how valuable eHP is to effective support binding such a key asset to a specific piece of equipment makes it pseudo mandatory thus not only limiting fittings flexibility to some extent but also placing a higher burden (internal balance wise) on those support frames with fewer equipment slots. This change would make half the races support offerings stronger than the other half with the Min getting an extra boost, it would also effect the internal balance of the equipment line by increasing the value of the repair tool when compared to the nanohive and needle. I am not strictly speaking opposed but I do think some of these implications need an address to maintain balance, perhaps binding the effects to SP invested, for example requiring not only the tool but the corresponding level in both Repair Tools and an armor skill (repper mods for example) to trigger the effect. Whatever the method the other implications need to be considered. 0.02 ISK Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 745	Posted - 2014.02.02 03:26:00 - [27] - Quote Doshneil Antaro wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Well said. I have been a Logi since Open Beta and see how little difference having 5HP/s reps makes. It is a far better option than having additional equipment bonuses (specific equipment) on each logi suit because that removes choice and benefit at the same time. My logi suits serve many purposes and I rarely spawn in the same suit more than twice per match. Of which only one of the suits may have the piece of equipment that benefits from being on my suit. I see no reason for the change, check my signature for my reasons why. Closed beta support logi here. Been repping even when we got no warpoints for doing so. I was one of if not the first support style logi used in the original corp battles by a major corp. I did more with way less and I did fine. Go back to brick tanking with reps, no more than an advanced weapon . Use support style weapons like the MD for burst DPS if your squad is taking heavy fire. Use cover always, even if all you have is squad mates. I think you missed my point. I play support in a lot of different ways than just a repair tool. Brick tanking makes you an easier target and already my bright yellow paint job does that quite well thank you very much. Just because you have issues with other people not repping doesn't mean I should be penalized because I don't, essentially this is what the patch does to those of us who run Minmatar Logi and support the team through any piece of equipment other than the repair tool. How does it feel to be the suit that can tank either armor or shields and can do it only half at well as any other logi suit? Well its rough...rough...rough. Is it really necessary that I hide behind someone else to take the bullets for me or can I please use my rifle which is skilled to as high a level as my nanite injector? LogiGod earns his pips
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 417	Posted - 2014.02.02 05:38:00 - [28] - Quote no, fit a repair mod or run with a friend who also has a repper yall kill some people "hey bro rep me" "okay" that simple or if you want to never worry about reps be a shield user. why do armor users always think they deserve free reps? Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 903	Posted - 2014.02.02 05:47:00 - [29] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: no, fit a repair mod or run with a friend who also has a repper yall kill some people "hey bro rep me" "okay" that simple or if you want to never worry about reps be a shield user. why do armor users always think they deserve free reps? another one who completely misses the whole point. did you actually read the post or did you go straight to the 5 reps part like most others. this is in no way a passive rep bonus or a reason not to fit reps. this is purely for allowing a logibro to do his job of repairing others while under fire. with the new changes logis are going to be at far more risk of death than ever before so sitting behind someone with a rep tool is going to be a painful experience and i don't mean for the heavies or assaults we are repairing also i would hardly call 50k isk free reps. you are the ones getting the free reps from the logis remember that. if logis start to die off as we expect to do so then you will all be carrying your own reps in the future. consider that for a moment before jumping to conclusions I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
xXCleopatra FlippantXx Red Star. EoN. 34	Posted - 2014.02.02 08:45:00 - [30] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: allow repair tools to feedback upto 5hp's to the wielder (not affected by skills) 1 - basic 3 - adv 4 - for the inbetween one 5 - for proto with the possible new changes to logis which i think are great by the way, it would be nice to get that bonus back in another way. being attached to repair tools it means it can only be used while not shooting. At least 15 hp/s while repping someone while i would like that especially as i prefer to have my rep tool out rather than my weapon it would just get abused by none logis . i think 5 about right. out of los repair while you rep your bodyguard. not too much that your fighting fit in a few secs. although no harm in ccp trying the higher rate then lowering it if they think its being abused Just fix the self rep bonus only to work with Logi suits and make them even more centered on doing Reps and logi stuff



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