DUST Search - So With All This Reworking Of Suit Bonuses...

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play.

sorry to say this bluntly, but it's people like you who are ruining this game for everyone else.

basically what you're saying is that since that guy wants to go FoTM, nobody can get a respec, even if they need it?

other than you're invalid and quite honestly stupid argument of FoTM, tell me why respecs would hurt the game. because me, and many other people here can give you PLENTY of reasons on why respecs would HELP the game.

There is no "need" reason for a respec. Nobody has that need. Not one person.

You can want one, because you made bad choices. You can want one, because CCP nerfed or otherwise changed the fit you liked, but you certainly don't need one. You see, you get skill points for playing the game, and you spend those on skills you want.

I'd like a billion free ISK too, but I understand why it would be hurtful to the game for CCP to give it to everyone.

except when someone wanted a fast hacking suit, then the changes made it unable to hack fast anymore

Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1163	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:58:00 - [1] - Quote surely infantry will get a skill respec? i'll be damned if after all of THESE changes, infantry STILL don't get a respec. anyway, from what i'm hearing from my squad right now, they are NOT liking these new changes. all i know is that i'm expecting a respec from this. Anime > EVERYTHING
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3720	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:59:00 - [2] - Quote Respec for all /o/ \o\ \o/ Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7601	Posted - 2014.01.07 19:59:00 - [3] - Quote Can... can my scout have some love too? Then I won't need to respec. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:00:00 - [4] - Quote Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3720	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. Is it FoTM play if you get a skill respec from all points you have into Dropsuits, and then spec into the same suit AND a different suit because you have enough SP for that? Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 969	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:04:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. Is it FoTM play if you get a skill respec from all points you have into Dropsuits, and then spec into the same suit AND a different suit because you have enough SP for that? If CCP reduces requirements, CCP will return the difference in SP to you (as they always do). But they should not refund/reset the skills themselves. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1156	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:07:00 - [7] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. Is it FoTM play if you get a skill respec from all points you have into Dropsuits, and then spec into the same suit AND a different suit because you have enough SP for that? If CCP reduces requirements, CCP will return the difference in SP to you (as they always do). But they should not refund/reset the skills themselves. Vehicles got a full respec when they were changed, what makes this situation any different? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3720	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:08:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: If CCP reduces requirements, CCP will return the difference in SP to you (as they always do). But they should not refund/reset the skills themselves. A lot of people specced into certain suits just for their racial bonus. Someone from my corp specced into Min Logi just so he could fast hack stuff in PC. Why does he not deserve a respec for that suit? And why does he not deserve a respec from his Proto Amarr Assault? Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3156	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:13:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. That's not valid because the FoTM will be just that. A Flavor Of The Month So unless you are offering respecs every month, your aren't enabling FoTM usage beyond what would already occur even without a respec. Additionally, not EVERY single person who wants a respec is wishing for one simply for the ability to skill into a FoTM . Punishing an entire playerbase for the actions of a few is not the way to handle things. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 971	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:14:00 - [10] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Vehicles got a full respec when they were changed, what makes this situation any different? That was necessitated because the rearrangement of skills in the tree actually broke the existing chain of allocated skills. And I think they went a bit overboard with it as it is. Patrick57 wrote: A lot of people specced into certain suits just for their racial bonus. Someone from my corp specced into Min Logi just so he could fast hack stuff in PC. Why does he not deserve a respec for that suit? And why does he not deserve a respec from his Proto Amarr Assault? So did I. I was fully aware (as all intelligent players should be) that the game is subject to change. And I'm not entitled to a do-over every time it does. Every time a weapon is nerfed, we don't get a refund either. Even though flaylock pistols and swarm launchers are now both a comedic joke. The game will always be changing. You may want to revisit an old suit later, or you might not, but you used those skill points, and every time we respec, we reward players for doing the fit-of-the-month mob behavior which makes this game terrible to play. FOTM is a hard behavior to kill, but without respecs, it is, at least, appropriately costly. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4365	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:20:00 - [11] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. You're acting like we want a respec everytime they add something new or change something regardless of size. You realize people are only asking for a respec because of a) racial dropsuits finally getting added and b) suit bonuses getting dramatically changed. Maybe we'll have a small FOTM problem at the start, but that's something you just have to deal with. And from here, I mean, it doesn't really look like they can add any more core suits if they have all the racial light, mediums, and heavies and I doubt CCP is going to completely overall the suit bonuses again so from that perspective there would never have to be another respec again. But you can't just say "No respecs because FOTM" even if the respec is absolutely 100% warranted. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4365	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:23:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: So did I. I was fully aware (as all intelligent players should be) that the game is subject to change. And I'm not entitled to a do-over every time it does. Every time a weapon is nerfed, we don't get a refund either. Even though flaylock pistols and swarm launchers are now both a comedic joke and probably no longer count as real guns. The game will always be changing. You may want to revisit an old suit later, or you might not, but you used those skill points, and every time we respec, we reward players for doing the fit-of-the-month mob behavior which makes this game terrible to play. FOTM is a hard behavior to kill, but without respecs, it is, at least, appropriately costly. Your examples are bad. If a weapon gets nerfed, it is still serves the same function, just not as well. The flaylock still has high direct damage and some splash damage, just not as much. It still serves the same role as it did before. Meanwhile, the Minmatar logistics role used to be extra fast hacking, but now it's role is repair tool efficiency. That is completely different. Now if the Minmatar Logistics skill bonus got changed to 2% hacking speed per level instead of 5% hacking speed per level, then your analogy would be appropriate and you would be right that a respec is not warranted. However, that is not the case. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5393	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote I'll have you know, I'm very strict with respecs, what most people will consider respec worthy I will consider as "Whining'. However, THIS is definitely respec worthy. Things are changing hugely. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
XEROO COOL Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 311	Posted - 2014.01.07 20:31:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'll have you know, I'm very strict with respecs, what most people will consider respec worthy I will consider as "Whining'. However, THIS is definitely respec worthy. Things are changing hugely. Agreed. Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1164	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:35:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. sorry to say this bluntly, but it's people like you who are ruining this game for everyone else. basically what you're saying is that since that guy wants to go FoTM, nobody can get a respec, even if they need it? other than you're invalid and quite honestly stupid argument of FoTM, tell me why respecs would hurt the game. because me, and many other people here can give you PLENTY of reasons on why respecs would HELP the game. Anime > EVERYTHING
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 979	Posted - 2014.01.07 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. sorry to say this bluntly, but it's people like you who are ruining this game for everyone else. basically what you're saying is that since that guy wants to go FoTM, nobody can get a respec, even if they need it? other than you're invalid and quite honestly stupid argument of FoTM, tell me why respecs would hurt the game. because me, and many other people here can give you PLENTY of reasons on why respecs would HELP the game. There is no "need" reason for a respec. Nobody has that need. Not one person. You can want one, because you made bad choices. You can want one, because CCP nerfed or otherwise changed the fit you liked, but you certainly don't need one. You see, you get skill points for playing the game, and you spend those on skills you want. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 759	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:00:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. sorry to say this bluntly, but it's people like you who are ruining this game for everyone else. basically what you're saying is that since that guy wants to go FoTM, nobody can get a respec, even if they need it? other than you're invalid and quite honestly stupid argument of FoTM, tell me why respecs would hurt the game. because me, and many other people here can give you PLENTY of reasons on why respecs would HELP the game. There is no "need" reason for a respec. Nobody has that need. Not one person. You can want one, because you made bad choices. You can want one, because CCP nerfed or otherwise changed the fit you liked, but you certainly don't need one. You see, you get skill points for playing the game, and you spend those on skills you want. I'd like a billion free ISK too, but I understand why it would be hurtful to the game for CCP to give it to everyone. except when someone wanted a fast hacking suit, then the changes made it unable to hack fast anymore https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1303	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote The new bonuses look like crap. Some suits look great, but others look terribad. Minmatar and Gallente suits in particular look great, but Amarr suits look... wrong. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // Hello, world!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1303	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:02:00 - [19] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respec for none. Respecs hurt the game. Stop enabling FOTM play. sorry to say this bluntly, but it's people like you who are ruining this game for everyone else. basically what you're saying is that since that guy wants to go FoTM, nobody can get a respec, even if they need it? other than you're invalid and quite honestly stupid argument of FoTM, tell me why respecs would hurt the game. because me, and many other people here can give you PLENTY of reasons on why respecs would HELP the game. There is no "need" reason for a respec. Nobody has that need. Not one person. You can want one, because you made bad choices. You can want one, because CCP nerfed or otherwise changed the fit you liked, but you certainly don't need one. You see, you get skill points for playing the game, and you spend those on skills you want. I'd like a billion free ISK too, but I understand why it would be hurtful to the game for CCP to give it to everyone. except when someone wanted a fast hacking suit, then the changes made it unable to hack fast anymore Or a frontlines combat focused Logi suit, but instead they get a designated uplink mule. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // Hello, world!
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 979	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:05:00 - [20] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: except when someone wanted a fast hacking suit, then the changes made it unable to hack fast anymore I wanted a swarm launcher that could kill tanks, then the changes made it unable to kill tanks anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec for 1.7? I wanted a flaylock pistol which could kill people faster than a mass driver, and then the changes made it unable to kill people faster than a mass driver anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec in 1.3? The reality is: These things will ALWAYS happen. This will never stop happening. And the SP system is modeled after a system that doesn't run on respecs. We can't have a respec every month when someone cries about wanting one. This isn't a WoW talent tree we're talking about here. Respecs break the SP mechanic. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7626	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:07:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: except when someone wanted a fast hacking suit, then the changes made it unable to hack fast anymore I wanted a swarm launcher that could kill tanks, then the changes made it unable to kill tanks anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec for 1.7? I wanted a flaylock pistol which could kill people faster than a mass driver, and then the changes made it unable to kill people faster than a mass driver anymore. Why wasn't there a full respec in 1.3? The reality is: These things will ALWAYS happen. This will never stop happening. And the SP system is modeled after a system that doesn't run on respecs. We can't have a respec every month when someone cries about wanting one. This isn't a WoW talent tree we're talking about here. Respecs break the SP mechanic. The difference is that the change he is talking about is a complete removal of the role the suit was initially specced into to play, while the changes you are talking about merely reduced the effectiveness of that role. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 979	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:08:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The difference is that the change he is talking about is a complete removal of the role the suit was initially specced into to play, while the changes you are talking about merely reduced the effectiveness of that role. The role of suit is a logi suit. it's designed to repair and revive people. It still does that. There was a bonus that has been changed, some might call that a nerf in some cases, though actually I'd say it got a pretty great role buff. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 759	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:12:00 - [23] - Quote i like all the logi changes... mostly because i do them all.. now i get 1 suit for each role, uplink spammer,nano spammer, repair spammer, active scan spammer...ok maybe that ones doesn't work so well but for the most part im happy. although i would welcome a respec if not just to get at my wasted av sp and all my assault sp which is all wasted at the moment https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1303	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The difference is that the change he is talking about is a complete removal of the role the suit was initially specced into to play, while the changes you are talking about merely reduced the effectiveness of that role. The role of suit is a logi suit. it's designed to repair and revive people. It still does that. There was a bonus that has been changed, some might call that a nerf in some cases, though actually I'd say it got a pretty great role buff. The role of a Logi suit is equipment. It is up to the user if they want to specialize in repairing an reviving. Don't try to say all logis should be medics. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // Hello, world!
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 330	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:37:00 - [25] - Quote I specced into Amarr Assault for Heat direction on laser rifles once Uprising came out,. Lasers were crap, I went Scr, still got aomething out of that bonus, LR got a minor buff, worked finally again, happy me. Other racial suits come out making LR ovious again. Heat reduction gets taken away from the suit, killing my whole intention why I skilled into the suit, RoF bonus won't help for either SCR nor LR. I highly hope they bring a respec with this changes so I can spec out of all the useless Amarr stuff once those changes apply. Only thing which still has a small appeal to me might be the Amarr logi bonus, but thinking about how good Uplinks already are I doubt I'll pick that suit up again. Btw: Gallnte Logi will make even the highly dedicated stealth scouts obvious. If CCP won't bring a respec with this patch I see a very big group of players leaving.... another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 65	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:41:00 - [26] - Quote Highly unlikely that there will be a respec for 1.8. According to the dev blog there are going to be sweeping skill tree changes, something about making stuff cheaper on the low end and SP sinks on the high but not until after 1.8, possibly after all suits have been added in that seems like the most likely time for a respec.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9740	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:43:00 - [27] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Highly unlikely that there will be a respec for 1.8. According to the dev blog there are going to be sweeping skill tree changes but not until after 1.8. You never know with CCP though, especially now that 1.8 is coming about a month later than we expected. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict


Pages: 1 :: [one page]