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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:48:00 -
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... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats.
I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep.
My view on how people are running for CPM1
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2539
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:54:00 -
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The community will most likely vote in the most incredibly inept but popular folk. Months later they will then turn on their CPM and tell them how horrible they are at their job when it was actually the community's job to make sure they don't suck.
Pretty much every political election in the history of elections.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9690
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:55:00 -
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How did you take a video of the forums?
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Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
910
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:57:00 -
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The important thing about having a "platform" as a CPM candidate, is to demonstrate your view of what is/isn't wrong with the game, and where CCP's focus should be, in the event you get a chance to push for one way or the other. It is both a display of competency and an indication that you see the same issues as the voter in question does. I have opinions on balance, but I didn't feel they were worth making a dramatic point of, because I'm focused on the overall game. How to make it suck less for everyone. But sure, the CPM can't do as much as some people might imagine, but indicating what you would do demonstrates how you represent the people who choose to vote for you.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:58:00 -
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Just like real politics... |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
1387
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:59:00 -
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Some pig.
I agree, the CPM's job is to help the players communicate with devs, provide constructive feedback and help the game grow. Saying you are a heavy and are going to fight for the the rights of fat kids means nothing. We want people whom want the entire game to be better not just small parts that focus on a particular style of play.
It is nice to have viewpoints from all professions but the role of the CPM is tho better the game not push corporate or personal agendas. I have thought about trying but I think others could contribute more than me. I have the time and then passport but my experience with FPSs is limited and I am terribad at DUST so I think I will leave it to a professional.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:00:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats. I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep. My view on how people are running for CPM1
I approve of this message.
Because had we had a Scout n Cpm 0, he'd would have so far 0 instances to directly contribute. As with a logi CPM, tank CPM, and myriad other roles. The very very few instances where such role would have been useful most of the cpm supported the changes.
Now an FW CPM is far far far more useful, as is an NPE one, and general sociable game play type of persons. CEOs would qualify over the 'game play' cpms.
Essentially if I was CCP and you're an assault player who never flew a vehicle in his life let alone not kill them, and bring you a whole host of changes involving vehicles? what use are you?
This scenario can happen far far far too often and if you shoehorn yourself into one corner of the game you're going to miss the massively big picture.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5289
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:02:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The important thing about having a "platform" as a CPM candidate, is to demonstrate your view of what is/isn't wrong with the game, and where CCP's focus should be, in the event you get a chance to push for one way or the other. It is both a display of competency and an indication that you see the same issues as the voter in question does. I have opinions on balance, but I didn't feel they were worth making a dramatic point of, because I'm focused on the overall game. How to make it suck less for everyone. But sure, the CPM can't do as much as some people might imagine, but indicating what you would do demonstrates how you represent the people who choose to vote for you. Your platform should be neutrality, nothing less. The devs will decide the patch of the game, the CPM (as I see it) are more of a control group to say "That's great", or "You should kill yourselves for coming up with that".
Everyone, of course, has their opinions, but saying that you are "going to fix the tank problem" (as an example) is an outright lie, and that person running for CPM is getting in the way of the people that actually should be in there.
Never forget
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
1387
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:04:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The community will most likely vote in the most incredibly inept but popular folk. Months later they will then turn on their CPM and tell them how horrible they are at their job when it was actually the community's job to make sure they don't suck.
Pretty much every political election in the history of elections.
It is going to take a while for the console crowd to get used to have people represent them to the developers. Most are used to going to forums or YouTube writing a snide, one line comment to troll. Few of us have passion for the game and evenless have respect for the people playing and developing it. I hate to be so cynical but there seems to be little evidence otherwise.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5289
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:06:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The community will most likely vote in the most incredibly inept but popular folk. Months later they will then turn on their CPM and tell them how horrible they are at their job when it was actually the community's job to make sure they don't suck.
Pretty much every political election in the history of elections. It is going to take a while for the console crowd to get used to have people represent them to the developers. Most are used to going to forums or YouTube writing a snide, one line comment to troll. Few of us have passion for the game and evenless have respect for the people playing and developing it. I hate to be so cynical but there seems to be little evidence otherwise. I don't see that statement as cynical, rather the sad truth.
Never forget
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:15:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:The community will most likely vote in the most incredibly inept but popular folk. Months later they will then turn on their CPM and tell them how horrible they are at their job when it was actually the community's job to make sure they don't suck.
Pretty much every political election in the history of elections. It is going to take a while for the FPS crowd to get used to have people represent them to the developers. Most are used to going to forums or YouTube writing a snide, one line comment to troll. Few of us have passion for the game and evenless have respect for the people playing and developing it. I hate to be so cynical but there seems to be little evidence otherwise.
fixed it. cause you'll run into that problem if dust was on PC too. We just never needed for a council. not use to it. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9690
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats. I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep. My view on how people are running for CPM1 I approve of this message. Because had we had a Scout n Cpm 0, he'd would have so far 0 instances to directly contribute. As with a logi CPM, tank CPM, and myriad other roles. The very very few instances where such role would have been useful most of the cpm supported the changes. Now an FW CPM is far far far more useful, as is an NPE one, and general sociable game play type of persons. CEOs would qualify over the 'game play' cpms. Essentially if I was CCP and you're an assault player who never flew a vehicle in his life let alone not kill them, and bring you a whole host of changes involving vehicles? what use are you? This scenario can happen far far far too often and if you shoehorn yourself into one corner of the game you're going to miss the massively big picture. To be fair though, this game does encourage specializing, so unless they've been around since closed beta, they may very well be locked into one play style simply due to the nature of the game. So, while I of course agree that they need to be open to all aspects of the game, the simple fact is that the game itself encourages people to NOT spread out and try all the game has to offer, so you're bound to get candidates who are only fully familiar with a couple playstyles.
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
978
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:19:00 -
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I agree completely. to me a platform represents an agenda. CPM candidates have no idea what to expect from the experience aside from the awesome open letter published by jezna and added to by the rest of CPM 0. on the technical end nobody who isn't the current CPM or a dev knows what the next CPM will be tasked with. having a scout who knows nothing about the rest of the game is less than optimal.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
913
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:27:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The important thing about having a "platform" as a CPM candidate, is to demonstrate your view of what is/isn't wrong with the game, and where CCP's focus should be, in the event you get a chance to push for one way or the other. It is both a display of competency and an indication that you see the same issues as the voter in question does. I have opinions on balance, but I didn't feel they were worth making a dramatic point of, because I'm focused on the overall game. How to make it suck less for everyone. But sure, the CPM can't do as much as some people might imagine, but indicating what you would do demonstrates how you represent the people who choose to vote for you. Your platform should be neutrality, nothing less. The devs will decide the patch of the game, the CPM (as I see it) are more of a control group to say "That's great", or "You should kill yourselves for coming up with that". Everyone, of course, has their opinions, but saying that you are "going to fix the tank problem" (as an example) is an outright lie, and that person running for CPM is getting in the way of the people that actually should be in there.
I feel you missed the point of my post entirely. Someone who posts nothing more than "I'm going to represent players on the CPM" doesn't show any competency in knowing what is and isn't right and wrong with the game. Why would someone vote for a candidate who doesn't even demonstrate knowledge of what needs to happen? Why would someone assume that person can make a valuable contribution to the CPM?
Sure, no CPM member can "solve x problem", but a CPM member can tell you in what ways they will encourage the devs to go when applicable.
knight of 6 wrote:I agree completely. to me a platform represents an agenda. CPM candidates have no idea what to expect from the experience aside from the awesome open letter published by jezna and added to by the rest of CPM 0. on the technical end nobody who isn't the current CPM or a dev knows what the next CPM will be tasked with. having a scout who knows nothing about the rest of the game is less than optimal.
Actually, it was a CPM0 member, I believe, who reminded us that if anyone says they have no agenda, they are lying. Everyone has an agenda. Nobody is going to be the unbiased, completely balanced, voice of logic with no personal preferences whatsoever.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
2053
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:28:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats. I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep. My view on how people are running for CPM1 You make a good point, but there are not a lot of Generalists in DUST. How many people do you know, aside from me, who have played almost every role?
We might have to settle for people with an ability to see things from another personGÇÖs point of view. Ok, so some days it seems like there are not a lot of them in DUST either, but I know there are a few around.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
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Mithridates VI
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2564
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:34:00 -
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Selling yourself on a platform of "I am going to get you a new game mode and a pony" is flat out being dishonest with the playerbase. You don't know whether that's within your power (and all indications are that it is not).
Your job as CPM is to try to prevent CCP from totally pwning their own game and most of the time they're going to ignore you. Too many people seem to think they're running for class president.
Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
914
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:40:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Selling yourself on a platform of "I am going to get you a new game mode and a pony" is flat out being dishonest with the playerbase. You don't know whether that's within your power (and all indications are that it is not).
Obviously, if someone's platform promises you they can make something happen, they're being pretty stupid. That doesn't mean it isn't important for a candidate to state what their views are, as those views will certainly affect how they advise CCP.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
5292
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:41:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats. I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep. My view on how people are running for CPM1 You make a good point, but there are not a lot of Generalists in DUST. How many people do you know, aside from me, who have played almost every role? We might have to settle for people with an ability to see things from another personGÇÖs point of view. Ok, so some days it seems like there are not a lot of them in DUST either, but I know there are a few around. There's not a lot of spots in the CPM. I'm sure that we can get a handful of these generalists interested in the position, or at least those willing to branch out of their playstyle and see if the grass really is that much greener.
The post was less of "Unless you've done everything proficiently, don't run", and more of "if you are only interested in furthering your playstyle, stay out".
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2542
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:43:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Selling yourself on a platform of "I am going to get you a new game mode and a pony" is flat out being dishonest with the playerbase. You don't know whether that's within your power (and all indications are that it is not).
Your job as CPM is to try to prevent CCP from totally pwning their own game and most of the time they're going to ignore you. Too many people seem to think they're running for class president.
A realistic CPM platform would be: "If there's stuff I can do I'll do it. I will gladly sit through meetings and harassment at all hours of the day and listen to all sorts of information that I will never be able to tell you guys and that the devs will not tell you either. I will also be sure to comment that I cannot comment when I can."
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HYENAKILLER X
AGGRESSIVE TYPE
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:32:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:... will not be going to an advocate of one portion of the game. If you are "The Scout CPM", "The Tank CPM", "The Infantry CPM", or any other sort of variant, then you are what is wrong with this game. Not one person on these forums is willing to compromise on their own playstyle, instantly shooting down any ideas that may slightly shift the current meta, quickly escalating to name calling and threats. I know the voting system is going to boil down into a popularity contest to see who can farm more likes by stating the obvious, but I just wanted to throw my two cents in there. If you have tunnel vision for one game aspect, then I do not want you, and your appointment to CPM will only be detrimental to the game. Quite honestly, I don't think the CPM is as powerful as people make them out to be, and your advocating for one aspect would be a promise that, by design, you probably won't be able to keep. My view on how people are running for CPM1 Cat merc knows this.
You are welcome for my leadership
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1318
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:07:00 -
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My personal philosophy is, and always will be, to STFU until you've tried it yourself. Brings me back to a time where I picked up a random who decided to rant to me about how OP the Mass Driver was. I asked him, "Oh, so about how much have you used the Mass Driver to formulate that opinion?". His response was merely "Pfft Im not going to even bother trying such a noob weapon!"
This is the kind of mentality we MUST avoid in our choice of CPM members.
I'm a tanker, that is my specialty, but I have used every single dropsuit, vehicle, weapon, and turret extensively so I can better understand how each operates and where problems exist in each of them. Every member of the CPM should have a specialty so they know that role inside and out, but they should also have a healthy amount of experience in ALL aspects of the game, so they're not clueless on any particular issue.
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Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:25:00 -
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Isn't the problem the same as in any election, that the people running are the last people who should be elected? |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1318
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:51:00 -
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Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote:Isn't the problem the same as in any election, that the people running are the last people who should be elected?
No the problem with any election is the people who should not be elected often have the loudest voice, which gains them the most attention, and the most votes.
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