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Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:05:00 -
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Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:13:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it.
I know right, i would quickly become one of the best in the game with raw input as I'm brilliant with kB and mouse and so would anyone who is also decent with kB and mouse, it would be a huge advantage but people who are sht with a kb and mouse will never understand this, its just their preferred method of control and don't understand the god mode disparity they are requesting.
People do not understand or choose to deny this. Regardless ccp ignores those requests because they know it's just pure bs and laughable.
Nothing to worry about, I would enjoy raw input briefly though but it'd be so clearly ridiculous I'd bet money it'd be nerfed the next day in a hotfix.
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McFurious
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Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:25:00 -
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Bring back Chromosome mouse aiming and it'd be fine. No one bitched about DS3 vs. KBM. The top of the leader boards were still DS3 players. Both worked and everyone was happy.
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:35:00 -
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Yeah screw trying to bring in PC players like myself that bought a PS3 FOR DUST and want to use the PS3's native KB/M support. Those guys can go to hell! |
Demon Buddah
Corporate Disaster
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:43:00 -
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Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!!  show me your real skill scrubs |
Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:47:00 -
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Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs
You want really skill, go try PS move. You're working with 'raw input,' but with latency on a very large peripheral (if using the sharpshooter attachment). Still it's pretty damn fun. It brings the experience of firing a mass driver or plasma cannon to a entirely new level.
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Demon Buddah
Corporate Disaster
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:50:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs You want really skill, go try PS move. You're working with 'raw input,' but with latency on a very large peripheral (if using the sharpshooter attachment). Still it's pretty damn fun. It brings the experience of firing a mass driver or plasma cannon to a entirely new level.
If I had a PS move I would :p would be very interesting indeed |
Saxbrin Shain
Ivory Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:53:00 -
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Isn't raw input still impossible on the PS3 because the system itself doesn't accept it?
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:05:00 -
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OP obviously never played chromosome ? Not to mention the multiple people who have quit playing because how bad kb/m has become... ? All the kb/m threads are stupid ? Keep telling yourself that bud I'm sure you're the type that gets raped by controller and yells kb/m... FYI It was CCP's initial decision to support kb/m so they should probably support it and fix it.. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:15:00 -
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Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs
It takes FAR more effort to achieve the same result on a DS3.
Aim assist is there to compensate for that.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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xSynnx x
Requiem of Shadows
DEADSPACE SOCIETY
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:17:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:OP obviously never played chromosome ? Not to mention the multiple people who have quit playing because how bad kb/m has become... ? All the kb/m threads are stupid ? Keep telling yourself that bud I'm sure you're the type that gets raped by controller and yells kb/m... FYI It was CCP's initial decision to support kb/m so they should probably support it and fix it..
It is a no brainer that KB/M is more percise then DS3. As such you run into an issue trying to balance (read; nerfing the KB/M) the two so that no one gains a huge advantage.
As ive said before in another thread, Just create KB/M only ques and DS3 only ques. Then everyone can quit crying about it. Give the KB/M users their raw input, and let all the DS3 players play with current settings.
that's, IF we have the player base to even allow the two ques.
PS - the best example that comes to mind (in recent games) is GTAV where you have free aiming and auto locking lobbies. I know its not the same thing and not directly comparable, but its just an example. |
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:18:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:Isn't raw input still impossible on the PS3 because the system itself doesn't accept it?
Why do people make stuff like this up?
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:28:00 -
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xSynnx x wrote:bolsh lee wrote:OP obviously never played chromosome ? Not to mention the multiple people who have quit playing because how bad kb/m has become... ? All the kb/m threads are stupid ? Keep telling yourself that bud I'm sure you're the type that gets raped by controller and yells kb/m... FYI It was CCP's initial decision to support kb/m so they should probably support it and fix it.. It is a no brainer that KB/M is more percise then DS3. As such you run into an issue trying to balance (read; nerfing the KB/M) the two so that no one gains a huge advantage. As ive said before in another thread, Just create KB/M only ques and DS3 only ques. Then everyone can quit crying about it. Give the KB/M users their raw input, and let all the DS3 players play with current settings. that's, IF we have the player base to even allow the two ques. PS - the best example that comes to mind (in recent games) is GTAV where you have free aiming and auto locking lobbies. I know its not the same thing and not directly comparable, but its just an example.
If this was an option we would have 10 people total in the kb/m Q and 300+ in the DS3 Q...
What would be cool and in my eyes acceptable would be, leave these **** controls for pub matches and open up the keyboard and mouse and controller, auto aim whatever you want for FW and PC matches.. |
Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:38:00 -
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xSynnx x wrote:bolsh lee wrote:OP obviously never played chromosome ? Not to mention the multiple people who have quit playing because how bad kb/m has become... ? All the kb/m threads are stupid ? Keep telling yourself that bud I'm sure you're the type that gets raped by controller and yells kb/m... FYI It was CCP's initial decision to support kb/m so they should probably support it and fix it.. It is a no brainer that KB/M is more percise then DS3. As such you run into an issue trying to balance (read; nerfing the KB/M) the two so that no one gains a huge advantage. As ive said before in another thread, Just create KB/M only ques and DS3 only ques. Then everyone can quit crying about it. Give the KB/M users their raw input, and let all the DS3 players play with current settings. that's, IF we have the player base to even allow the two ques. PS - the best example that comes to mind (in recent games) is GTAV where you have free aiming and auto locking lobbies. I know its not the same thing and not directly comparable, but its just an example.
How many people actually use DS3 vs KB? If it is about less than 1k that is using KB/M and the ques are spread in instant action( AMB , Skirmish , DOM ) and FW that means you are going to see much , much longer que times especially on off peak hours. Thats way CCP never separated tiers. |
xSynnx x
Requiem of Shadows
DEADSPACE SOCIETY
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:44:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:xSynnx x wrote:bolsh lee wrote:OP obviously never played chromosome ? Not to mention the multiple people who have quit playing because how bad kb/m has become... ? All the kb/m threads are stupid ? Keep telling yourself that bud I'm sure you're the type that gets raped by controller and yells kb/m... FYI It was CCP's initial decision to support kb/m so they should probably support it and fix it.. It is a no brainer that KB/M is more percise then DS3. As such you run into an issue trying to balance (read; nerfing the KB/M) the two so that no one gains a huge advantage. As ive said before in another thread, Just create KB/M only ques and DS3 only ques. Then everyone can quit crying about it. Give the KB/M users their raw input, and let all the DS3 players play with current settings. that's, IF we have the player base to even allow the two ques. PS - the best example that comes to mind (in recent games) is GTAV where you have free aiming and auto locking lobbies. I know its not the same thing and not directly comparable, but its just an example. How many people actually use DS3 vs KB? If it is about less than 1k that is using KB/M and the ques are spread in instant action( AMB , Skirmish , DOM ) and FW that means you are going to see much , much longer que times especially on off peak hours. Thats way CCP never separated tiers.
Actually PC raises a huge issue for dual ques. So i can totally see why that wouldnt work  |
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VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:06:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. I know right, i would quickly become one of the best in the game with raw input as I'm brilliant with kB and mouse and so would anyone who is also decent with kB and mouse, it would be a huge advantage but people who are sht with a kb and mouse will never understand this, its just their preferred method of control and don't understand the god mode disparity they are requesting. People do not understand or choose to deny this. Regardless ccp ignores those requests because they know it's just pure bs and laughable. Nothing to worry about, I would enjoy raw input briefly though but it'd be so clearly ridiculous I'd bet money it'd be nerfed the next day in a hotfix.
I wanted to see where this thread went before I actually replied, but people game with controllers on PC all the time and they do well, there is a disparity but it isn't enough to be god mode like you claim and isn't gamebreaking that warrants blatant fearmongering. T
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:09:00 -
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I'd rather have them both precise, but for M&KB to be more accurate, while the controller would have aim assist (of course a less powerful version so you don't shoot through walls).
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
797
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I'd rather have them both precise, but for M&KB to be more accurate, while the controller would have aim assist (of course a less powerful version so you don't shoot through walls).
They can shoot through all the walls they want if kb/m can get raw input.... |
KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:27:00 -
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There is no need to artificially gimp the Mouse.
There is no need to artificially enhance the DS3.
No matter what you tell yourselves, the gap between the Mouse and DS3 is not large enough to warrant such shortsighted, game breaking design features.
Following that path will only succeed in the malformation of the game around perceived shortcomings that are largely cultural, not technical.
Make the controls the best they can be without artificial limits or enhancements, that is the only way forward to avoid disenfranchising people. |
Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:50:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it.
except ds3 has autoaim now....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bw
what more do you scrubs want?
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xSynnx x
Requiem of Shadows
DEADSPACE SOCIETY
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Posted - 2014.01.05 01:00:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. except ds3 has autoaim now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwwhat more do you scrubs want?
I mentioned this in another thread, but this doesnt seem to be working for me since the new year. Dunno if i just have a permanent bug or this has to be within a certain range but before the new year i could tell aim assist was working but sometime arountd the 1st it seems to have stopped. |
Spectre-M
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 01:03:00 -
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Doesn't anyone remember jump sniping in CS? Glad we don't have that in Dust.
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.01.05 01:09:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:Doesn't anyone remember jump sniping in CS? Glad we don't have that in Dust.
I'm sure there is a point in there somewhere...hold on, don't tell me I'm still looking. |
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.05 02:41:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs You want really skill, go try PS move. You're working with 'raw input,' but with latency on a very large peripheral (if using the sharpshooter attachment). Still it's pretty damn fun. It brings the experience of firing a mass driver or plasma cannon to a entirely new level.
Just out of pure curiosity, I wonder how feasible it would be to attach a PS Move to a custom gimbal that is fed to a tracking camera which is programmed to distinguish heads from the pixel signature. I mean if I'm thinking of it, I'm sure someone has tried to do it and failed.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
686
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:01:00 -
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When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-play
The problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users.
Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings.
Dust has never offered cross platform, further more the MKB controls have never represented a true MKB, they have always been an overlay or an emulation of a DS3.
I Love the Argument everyone makes that if they suddenly plug in their Keyboard and Mouse they are Competition Counter-Strike players who traveled the country from Lan center to Lan center, having all your travel and wages payed for by playing video games professionally. It's Hilarious...
There are several games out there where gamepad users compete directly with MKB and own the crap out of them, it really is upto the players and user preference as DUST leaderboards have proven(yet people still pretending like that evidence doesn't matter) DUST never needed Aim assist to make DS3 users compete even with 100x better MKB controls and no AA they still where ontop so...
Th Steam Console box is comming out offering all Steam games... that has the potential to cross platform everything with over 5k+++ games, and destroy the console market as we know it, this is the future we live in.. where consoles, tablets, PC's and TV's are becoming one home entertainment center
Trying to engage in the same gamepad vs keyboard and mouse argument that has happened for 30 years is dead, everything is becoming one and anyone can play on their preferred peripheral. Adapt or be stuck in the dark control interface ages. We arent even going to be using physical control interfaces soon, it will be all real space controlsProof |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:09:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it.
Consolers? Last I checked, being on a console did not limit you to one control type. At least, thats the way every other gaming genre seems to work.
Perhaps you should stop acting irresponsible for your choice of inferior control? Every other competitive community did years ago. |
xSynnx x
Requiem of Shadows
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:23:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings.
Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed.
The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs.
I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse.
then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:25:00 -
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Bethhy wrote: There are several games out there where gamepad users compete directly with MKB and own the crap out of them, it really is upto the players and user preference as DUST leaderboards have proven(yet people still pretending like that evidence doesn't matter) DUST never needed Aim assist to make DS3 users compete even with 100x better MKB controls and no AA they still where ontop so...
Th Steam Console box is comming out offering all Steam games... that has the potential to cross platform everything with over 5k+++ games, and destroy the console market as we know it, this is the future we live in.. where consoles, tablets, PC's and TV's are becoming one home entertainment center
This is the complete truth and really the only reasons I continue on with my crusade to persuade the masses.. I truly believe CCP is only hurting themselves along with that small - minority - image they have in the PC FPS eyes.. But non the less the market is heading in the direction of universal controls as Steambox is a prime example.. I really thought the brains at CCP were less subjective to the whole, lets nerf kb/m because its hurting our game..? (If that's even the reasons which we'll never now since CCP likes to stay quite on this subject...)
Like many other posts ive made, CCP has an amazing shooter here (outside of the multiple issues that have taken months to resolve) and I really think if they improve the KB/M and stuck with there no-holds-barred attitude they could add more gamers to this niche market..
Bethhy wrote:Trying to engage in the same gamepad vs keyboard and mouse argument that has happened for 30 years is dead, everything is becoming one and anyone can play on their preferred peripheral. Adapt or be stuck in the dark control interface ages. We arent even going to be using physical control interfaces soon, it will be all real space controls Proof
Wow, I had not seen this before, could you imagine... There would be no more Turbo controller this kb/m that... No fool I demolished you with my hand eye coordination and index finger.. lol |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:13:00 -
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Boo hoo! It's not my fault that im not as good as them because:
-they lagged the match with equipment spam
-they have more SP than me
-they ran proto gear
-their team called in 8 tanks tanks
-my team is a bunch of redline snipes/rail tanks
-their weapon is OP
-my weapon is UP
-they need aim assist to win
-they're kb/m scrubs
-they're Japanese/Mexican/Russian and this is a US server
-my team is all news/random blueberries
-the sun was in my eyes
-I got sand in my vagina
-my mom interrupted me
-my crying infant distracted me
You. All. Complain. So. Much.
This is new Eden, HTFU. Don't like the other teams location, control method, tactics or game settings? gtfo and send me your isk on your way out.
There is ONE new eden, they aren't buying more servers to segregate ps3, ps4 and PC players over the next 10 years. So tighten your blouses and stop pretending that your opinion matters.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs It takes FAR more effort to achieve the same result on a DS3. Aim assist is there to compensate for that.
The fact that this game had no aim assist while nearly every other console game does is part of what was alienating career console players from this game.
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FAKIR REDETTa
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:21:00 -
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xSynnx x wrote:Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage
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343
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:43:00 -
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FAKIR REDETTa wrote:xSynnx x wrote:Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+
I didn't read anyone here saying it doesn't have an advantage but as I can tell it must have a huge advantage against your scrub self why else would you be scared to go up against a kb/m player that isn't nerfed to death currently ? I'm pretty bad and didn't mind using a controller in chromosome when mouse was raw input but I like the mouse better so I switched and so can anyone else if they claim its instant win...
Not to mention I have followed every mouse thread I can find and I would take the word of people like Bolsh lee and bethhy and himiko over some random and I believe all those guys currently use a controller and even when defending the m/kb they don't knock the controller or your instant win aim assist so what's your problem? |
M McManus
343
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Posted - 2014.01.05 07:51:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs It takes FAR more effort to achieve the same result on a DS3. Aim assist is there to compensate for that. The fact that this game had no aim assist while nearly every other console game does is part of what was alienating career console players from this game.
Please back up these facts both ; that career shooters play Dust and that no aim assist was alienating them... lol you mean the casual shooters who couldn't cut it when aim assist was removed. . This still doesn't answer why kb/m is a joke to use, oh wait. Was it alienating "career players" by scaring them away ? Get real... People like you will turn this game into a laughing stock for "career newbies" |
Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:09:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Demon Buddah wrote:Obviously some of you are too blunt to realize that the K/B mouse combo isn't as good. Why? Aim assist! :D While K/B mouse users actually have to AIM, controllers using the aim assist really don't have to. So, remove aim assist!!! show me your real skill scrubs It takes FAR more effort to achieve the same result on a DS3. Aim assist is there to compensate for that. The fact that this game had no aim assist while nearly every other console game does is part of what was alienating career console players from this game.
12 year olds gotta have their god complexes satiated.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:12:00 -
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FAKIR REDETTa wrote:xSynnx x wrote:Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+
I really didn't feel like replying to this earlier because it is silly. but if you Mr.Fakir, are so enthusiastic it does spark ones interest.
Ok lets First find another example of that same study, It has been leaked by several people who participated in it, but Microsoft never published the results so they are somewhat limited.
Here is one .... Oh and another That one done by NBC news funny enough.
The Study was done, but it again was CROSS PLATFORM So Suprrior Hardware on a PC, Vs Old Hardware Console users. Yes the console users got wrecked on games like Unreal Tournament and gears of War.
This was Raw Input Mouse and Keyboard(Not like DUST, with emulation and significant input delay), And PC mouse vs PS3 Mouse input? we could argue delay or input speeds all we want there is a different to anyone that thinks DPI means something in mouse gaming.
Actually i know people that score significantly higher then myself at my best with a mouse on their competitive gamepad's. They Wreck mouse and Keyboard users with Raw input on games like Counter-strike Go, and they did on DUST in Chromosome when even the MKB users where satisfied.
Again we could argue that one control input has an advantage over another and this is echoed for coming on 30 years now through gaming culture with no side truly winning to any satisfaction..
DUST has never EVER represented a Full MKB raw input support nore at 30 frame a second(Which DUST has never ran at, EVEN with a SSD in my PS3) could it ever really feel close to right... Any argument ever made about how good MKB is, is at the peak ability of a Mouse/kb and that has never happened and CAN never happen in DUST. |
xSynnx x
Requiem of Shadows
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:27:00 -
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M McManus wrote:FAKIR REDETTa wrote:xSynnx x wrote:Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+ I didn't read anyone here saying it doesn't have an advantage but as I can tell it must have a huge advantage against your scrub self why else would you be scared to go up against a kb/m player that isn't nerfed to death currently ? I'm pretty bad and didn't mind using a controller in chromosome when mouse was raw input but I like the mouse better so I switched and so can anyone else if they claim its instant win... Not to mention I have followed every mouse thread I can find and I would take the word of people like Bolsh lee and bethhy and himiko over some random and I believe all those guys currently use a controller and even when defending the m/kb they don't knock the controller or your instant win aim assist so what's your problem?
I'm sorry, where exactly did i say im a DS3 fanboi? You must have mistaken my stating a fact that a mouse is more accurate then a DS3 thumbstick. Very mature to immediately begin calling names though.
And what "word" exactly are you dismissing of mine? I dont believe i was conveying an opinion. If you choose to believe someones interpretation of a study vs some facts, thats fine.
Also, i never "attacked" an input device. Just stating facts. |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:14:00 -
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xSynnx x wrote:M McManus wrote:xSynnx x wrote:Bethhy wrote:When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-playThe problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage I didn't read anyone here saying it doesn't have an advantage but as I can tell it must have a huge advantage against your scrub self why else would you be scared to go up against a kb/m player that isn't nerfed to death currently ? I'm pretty bad and didn't mind using a controller in chromosome when mouse was raw input but I like the mouse better so I switched and so can anyone else if they claim its instant win... Not to mention I have followed every mouse thread I can find and I would take the word of people like Bolsh lee and bethhy and himiko over some random and I believe all those guys currently use a controller and even when defending the m/kb they don't knock the controller or your instant win aim assist so what's your problem? I'm sorry, where exactly did i say im a DS3 fanboi? You must have mistaken my stating a fact that a mouse is more accurate then a DS3 thumbstick. Very mature to immediately begin calling names though.
Reread his posts, I don't see where he called you a fanboy
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And what "word" exactly are you dismissing of mine? I dont believe i was conveying an opinion. If you choose to believe someones interpretation of a study vs some facts, thats fine.
Also, i never "attacked" an input device. Just stating facts.
Going back to your previous post, the logical fallacies used to reach your conclusion aren't fact. Microsoft never stated the results of that study, so there isn't any actual evidence. Microsoft also had an ulterior motive when they conducted their experiment, I'm not saying they sabotaged their own findings, but overblown the results to avoid cross-platform playing.
"We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. "
That's complete BS, and you know it or you're just an idiot for saying that. Our wrist thumb has nothing to with it. hint: replace thumbstick with joystick.
So what facts have you presented?
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Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.01.05 10:33:00 -
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Anyone who thinks the KB/M isn't that much better can go play CS:S for a week.
Come back to me saying you didn't get instantly headshotted by the thousands of caual gamers, who have normal mouses, on last gen computers.
I played CS:S-i headshotted, i rap3d, i AWP'ed, i Deagle'd.
I played PC COD, i 720 quickscoped,
If you are a GOOD PC player, you WOULD be fuking god mode competing w/ controllers. No contest, anyone who says otherwise is either garbage, lieing, or just has down syndrome.
That's "MR." Pothead to you.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:18:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. except ds3 has autoaim now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwwhat more do you scrubs want?
Yeah and you want god mode for KBM
If you can't c that KBM always outperform controller you are nothing more than a bitter try hard that can't grasp that controller can kill you or be competitive.
And you are but hurt that the fact that you who did go and pay real money to get your KBM don't get a advantage over the
out-of-the-box-controller-scrubs.
Me I just state
Remove AA and KBM from the game and more ppl would join even if we loose some buthurt KBM tryhards in the process.
War never changes
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CommanderBolt
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:40:00 -
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I just think it would be nice if the KB/M option was fully functional.
People keep going on about balance which is utter BS however I am NOT asking for direct mouse input (even though that would be great) I just want the bugs fixed.
1. After x amount of time has passed my KB/M control randomly turns itself to the left and the only way to fix that is by turning on the DS3 and jiggling the controls. That is a bug I would like fixed.
2. When selecting a place to spawn the mouse and keyboard controls are horrendous. It simply doesn't even select certain locations depending on where they are compared to the location you have currently selected.
3. Trying to fly a drop ship with mouse and keyboard is nigh on impossible. (But no!! We're the scary super KB/M users we can do anything right....??)
4. Using tanks and turrets of any type with the mouse is also challenging as you have to keep dragging the mouse over and over again to turn.
Is fixing blatant issues like that such a big deal? If you guys had those problems with your DS3`s you would all be up in arms I'm sure. |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:45:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. except ds3 has autoaim now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwwhat more do you scrubs want? Yeah and you want god mode for KBM If you can't c that KBM always outperform controller you are nothing more than a bitter try hard that can't grasp that controller can kill you or be competitive. And you are but hurt that the fact that you who did go and pay real money to get your KBM don't get a advantage over the out-of-the-box-controller-scrubs. Me I just state Remove AA and KBM from the game and more ppl would join even if we loose some buthurt KBM tryhards in the process.
You chat absolute potty poop. I don't think you even realise what you are stating right there.
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Lonegnr
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.05 12:01:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:Isn't raw input still impossible on the PS3 because the system itself doesn't accept it?
Where'd you pull that nonsense from?
Even Unreal T 3 had perfect mouse support on the PS3 and that game has been out quite some time. |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 12:18:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. except ds3 has autoaim now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwwhat more do you scrubs want? Yeah and you want god mode for KBM If you can't c that KBM always outperform controller you are nothing more than a bitter try hard that can't grasp that controller can kill you or be competitive. And you are but hurt that the fact that you who did go and pay real money to get your KBM don't get a advantage over the out-of-the-box-controller-scrubs. Me I just state Remove AA and KBM from the game and more ppl would join even if we loose some buthurt KBM tryhards in the process.
KBM users appreciate good gameplay that involves actually aiming and tracking a target.
DS3 users prefer shallow gameplay that involves the game aiming for them. And if AA was removed, you would be shooting like Stevie Wonder again in Uprising 1.0.
Yea, I think you need to stop talking now. |
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Posted - 2014.01.05 17:08:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Raw input will completly destroy D3 v kb/m.
Why you still post these?
Raw input=manority of time headshoots and great accuracy.
You want it? Go play pc fps games. You will have your raw input
Leave Dust to us, consolers. Dont try to break it. except ds3 has autoaim now.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFqlnXZU6bwwhat more do you scrubs want? Yeah and you want god mode for KBM If you can't c that KBM always outperform controller you are nothing more than a bitter try hard that can't grasp that controller can kill you or be competitive. And you are but hurt that the fact that you who did go and pay real money to get your KBM don't get a advantage over the out-of-the-box-controller-scrubs. Me I just state Remove AA and KBM from the game and more ppl would join even if we loose some buthurt KBM tryhards in the process.
In Chromosome protoman and others owned with ds3's without autoaim over kbm. In a build where mouse was considered better.
Nice ad hominem argument there.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:02:00 -
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For most people that play KBM raw input or not won't make a diffrence but at least those people that are on the same level of play as most DS3 players, won't have their n*ts nailed to the floor. But at least the game will feel "right" and not wrong as it feels now.
I play loads of games with 40+ kills, giving me raw input won't boost it 2-fold, though i might end up dying less.
Don't anyone here wanna go up against the real me, instead of this artificially crippled version of myself?, it's not like there are a couple of thousand people with serious KBM skills in this game, if there are 50 of us left, its gonna be allot.
Anyway, on PC shooters, where i assume everyone is using a KBM setup there are still the guys that go 0/20, its not like they are KBM gods.
I don't get it.
Quote:In Chromosome protoman and others owned with ds3's without autoaim over kbm. In a build where mouse was considered better.
Nice ad hominem argument there.
I remember guys like Askull legend making me work really hard to get a kill on them in chromosone with their DS3's.
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Duke Noobiam
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:30:00 -
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Anecdotally, I've heard from people who went from DS3 to KB/M that their KDR jumped 300%.
That said, we can all argue this (which is more accurate and has an advantage) until you are blue in the face, all these arguments will mean nothing to CCP as they can make their decision based on empirical data.
I'm sure they have consulted their stats to know who is more accurate (DS3 vs KB/M) and have acted in consequence. Let them monitor the game and continue to try and balance it.
When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:00:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:Anecdotally, I've heard from people who went from DS3 to KB/M that their KDR jumped 300%.
That said, we can all argue this (which is more accurate and has an advantage) until you are blue in the face, all these arguments will mean nothing to CCP as they can make their decision based on empirical data.
I'm sure they have consulted their stats to know who is more accurate (DS3 vs KB/M) and have acted in consequence. Let them monitor the game and continue to try and balance it.
So someone plugged in a Keyboard and mouse NOW? and their KDR jumped 300%?
And that to no one else thinks this sounds silly? regardless of anyone's personal feel of the advantages of KB/M over gamepad, DUST has never represented anywhere near the peak abilities of a Mouse.
If you really think CCP can actively track the input the player uses, when most have their DS3 and MKB active at the same time and some the PS3 Move aswell. Then i don't know what to say.
Let me say this again for the 200th time so people who blame MKB(STILL?!) for their inadequacies.
NO DS3 USER IN CHROMOSOME EVER NEEDED ACTIVE AIM ASSIST TO BE COMPETITIVE,
Let alone 80-90% of the top 100 on the score board being DS3 users.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 19:48:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:Doesn't anyone remember jump sniping in CS? Glad we don't have that in Dust.
http://www.geek.com/games/half-life-counterstrike-trains-british-troops-549192/ <--- a Real Life Military/Tactical Trainer for YEARS.
There are many examples of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare training done by snipers on Counter-strike...
You can sneer all you want at CS, but the pedigree is un-deniable.. And in the Future(Like DUST?) with modified Suit's improving a Humans natural ability? and we cannot jump over a railing or move faster then someones aiming ability whilst standing in one spot... there is a massive issue with what someone is telling you.
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Duke Noobiam
Da Short Buss Driving School
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Posted - 2014.01.05 21:29:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:Anecdotally, I've heard from people who went from DS3 to KB/M that their KDR jumped 300%.
That said, we can all argue this (which is more accurate and has an advantage) until you are blue in the face, all these arguments will mean nothing to CCP as they can make their decision based on empirical data.
I'm sure they have consulted their stats to know who is more accurate (DS3 vs KB/M) and have acted in consequence. Let them monitor the game and continue to try and balance it. So someone plugged in a Keyboard and mouse NOW? and their KDR jumped 300%? And that to no one else sounds silly? regardless of anyone's personal feel of the advantages of KB/M over gamepad, DUST has never represented anywhere near the peak abilities of a Mouse. If you really think CCP can actively track the input the player uses, when most have their DS3 and MKB active at the same time and some the PS3 Move aswell. Then i don't know what to say.Let me say this again for the 200th time so people who blame MKB(STILL?!) for their inadequacies. NO DS3 USER IN CHROMOSOME EVER NEEDED ACTIVE AIM ASSIST TO BE COMPETITIVE, Let alone 80-90% of the top 100 on the score board being DS3 users. This is fact.
So let me see... You say that you doubt CCP can track which input device is being used by players and then you casually state that 80-90% of the top 100 use the DS3?!
Speaking from 15+ years as a software developer/architect, I am 99.99% sure that the PS3 API has functions that expose which input device is used for all/any input. As a matter of fact, It is likely passed as a parameter (or a property of an object passed as a parameter) to the event handlers for input controls.
That aside, the point I was trying to make is simply that CCP must/should have empirical data that they are using to gauge game balance between KB/M and DS3. Metrics derived from this data is the only way they can decide that changes are needed and whether or not these changes are working.
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