DUST Search - Just saw few kb/m posts... Stupid posts.

FAKIR REDETTa wrote:

xSynnx x wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-play

The problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users.

Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings.

Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed.

The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs.

I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse.

then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage

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Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 686	Posted - 2014.01.05 03:01:00 - [1] - Quote When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-play The problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Dust has never offered cross platform, further more the MKB controls have never represented a true MKB, they have always been an overlay or an emulation of a DS3. I Love the Argument everyone makes that if they suddenly plug in their Keyboard and Mouse they are Competition Counter-Strike players who traveled the country from Lan center to Lan center, having all your travel and wages payed for by playing video games professionally. It's Hilarious... There are several games out there where gamepad users compete directly with MKB and own the crap out of them, it really is upto the players and user preference as DUST leaderboards have proven(yet people still pretending like that evidence doesn't matter) DUST never needed Aim assist to make DS3 users compete even with 100x better MKB controls and no AA they still where ontop so... Th Steam Console box is comming out offering all Steam games... that has the potential to cross platform everything with over 5k+++ games, and destroy the console market as we know it, this is the future we live in.. where consoles, tablets, PC's and TV's are becoming one home entertainment center Trying to engage in the same gamepad vs keyboard and mouse argument that has happened for 30 years is dead, everything is becoming one and anyone can play on their preferred peripheral. Adapt or be stuck in the dark control interface ages. We arent even going to be using physical control interfaces soon, it will be all real space controlsProof
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 705	Posted - 2014.01.05 08:12:00 - [2] - Quote FAKIR REDETTa wrote: xSynnx x wrote: Bethhy wrote: When people talk about MKB VS ds3 they talk about this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/ms-killed-pc-xbox-cross-platform-play The problem with that is it was a study done about CROSS PLATFORM, Meaning Super Hardware PC's with 0 input delay on the Computer versus Gamepad console users. Umm YEAH? crazy cutting edge hardware PC's would have an advantage before we even get to the peripheral debate that has been going on since.... ever? with no clear proof either way besides personal feelings. Hmmm i cant find any specifics on the that study. I read it and the links within it. Im not sure where your pulling out stuff like this. I dont see anywhere that it says input delay was a problem. A study like this i would assume was done in a controlled settings, probably LAN'ed. The real issue isnt how easy or hard each of the input devices is, its how accurate the mouse is over a thumbstick. We have better fine motor skills with our entire hand/wrist then we do in our thumbs. I dare you to try this, and dont forget to plug in your favorite controller and compare your results to thumbstick vs mouse. then come back and tell me a mouse doesnt have an advantage 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+ I really didn't feel like replying to this earlier because it is silly. but if you Mr.Fakir, are so enthusiastic it does spark ones interest. Ok lets First find another example of that same study, It has been leaked by several people who participated in it, but Microsoft never published the results so they are somewhat limited. Here is one .... Oh and another That one done by NBC news funny enough. The Study was done, but it again was CROSS PLATFORM So Suprrior Hardware on a PC, Vs Old Hardware Console users. Yes the console users got wrecked on games like Unreal Tournament and gears of War. This was Raw Input Mouse and Keyboard(Not like DUST, with emulation and significant input delay), And PC mouse vs PS3 Mouse input? we could argue delay or input speeds all we want there is a different to anyone that thinks DPI means something in mouse gaming. Actually i know people that score significantly higher then myself at my best with a mouse on their competitive gamepad's. They Wreck mouse and Keyboard users with Raw input on games like Counter-strike Go, and they did on DUST in Chromosome when even the MKB users where satisfied. Again we could argue that one control input has an advantage over another and this is echoed for coming on 30 years now through gaming culture with no side truly winning to any satisfaction.. DUST has never EVER represented a Full MKB raw input support nore at 30 frame a second(Which DUST has never ran at, EVEN with a SSD in my PS3) could it ever really feel close to right... Any argument ever made about how good MKB is, is at the peak ability of a Mouse/kb and that has never happened and CAN never happen in DUST.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 717	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:00:00 - [3] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Anecdotally, I've heard from people who went from DS3 to KB/M that their KDR jumped 300%. That said, we can all argue this (which is more accurate and has an advantage) until you are blue in the face, all these arguments will mean nothing to CCP as they can make their decision based on empirical data. I'm sure they have consulted their stats to know who is more accurate (DS3 vs KB/M) and have acted in consequence. Let them monitor the game and continue to try and balance it. So someone plugged in a Keyboard and mouse NOW? and their KDR jumped 300%? And that to no one else thinks this sounds silly? regardless of anyone's personal feel of the advantages of KB/M over gamepad, DUST has never represented anywhere near the peak abilities of a Mouse. If you really think CCP can actively track the input the player uses, when most have their DS3 and MKB active at the same time and some the PS3 Move aswell. Then i don't know what to say. Let me say this again for the 200th time so people who blame MKB(STILL?!) for their inadequacies. NO DS3 USER IN CHROMOSOME EVER NEEDED ACTIVE AIM ASSIST TO BE COMPETITIVE, Let alone 80-90% of the top 100 on the score board being DS3 users. This is fact.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 720	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:48:00 - [4] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Doesn't anyone remember jump sniping in CS? Glad we don't have that in Dust. http://www.geek.com/games/half-life-counterstrike-trains-british-troops-549192/ <--- a Real Life Military/Tactical Trainer for YEARS. There are many examples of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare training done by snipers on Counter-strike... You can sneer all you want at CS, but the pedigree is un-deniable.. And in the Future(Like DUST?) with modified Suit's improving a Humans natural ability? and we cannot jump over a railing or move faster then someones aiming ability whilst standing in one spot... there is a massive issue with what someone is telling you. And I loose so much faith in a game that has no stated direction in a year.