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jenza aranda
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:16:00 -
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Hey all,
First off, its great that you want to be on the CPM, regardless what some people say it does give you a real opportunity to be involved with a lot of interesting things and made changes and influence the game. Before you really do decide ramping up your individual campaigns I though i would share this open letter as a bit of advice for anyone going for it.
There are a couple of very important questions that you will want to ask yourself. The most important one being "Why do I want to be on the CPM?" If the answer is basically anything other than "I want to help make the game better" You are probably wasting your time. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions, especially among the players who may not have played eve, that being in the CPM somehow gives you power, stuff for personal gain and a way to twist the game to suit your needs. I am just stating right now that this is just not the case, and I'll go into why a little later, what it DOES give you is heartaches, headaches, little sleep, early/late nights and having to wake up or stay up to conference with Shanghai. Its true that perhaps once a year you may be able to go to fanfest, but considering all the stuff that happens over the year, it is(at least from the community), a very thankless task.
Another very important question to ask yourself is "Can I stand the hate?". Most of the work that CPM do is behind closed doors and under the very heavy blanket that is the NDA. Because of this, many people will make up their own assumptions of whats going on and make baseless assumptions about people, usually because of an unpopular opinion you have or some off hand comment about your personality.
To those who are not going to run but still going to vote, the most important thing you must understand is that having a good personality doesn't necessarily mean that person is a good CPM, conversely being a troll doesn't necessarily make you a bad CPM. A perfect example of this would be The Mitanni, the CEO of goonswarm. He is basically the biggest troll in the new eden universe in charge of a massive troll alliance however he was one of the most productive chairman that the CSM has ever had, love him or hate him, this much is a fact.
Another important thing I wanted to address is that many people have been saying "vote me for scout CPM!" or tanks or heavies ect... this mentality WILL NOT WORK. A CPM is expected to have first hand experience on every aspect of play and cannot be seen advocating only for their class, this is largely done by the self policing nature of the CPM.
Yesterday in the "Jenza for CPM1" thread that Jason Pearson created, someone asked me a bit about what the CPM does do, Ill quote that here just because.
Quote:we talk to CCP basically on a daily basis, if, nothing else, to just chat about our day and improve the relationship.
CCP gets a lot of crazy ideas, some great some not so great. In this instance we provide both something of a sanity check to CCP and to give our feedback on the situation. The devs also cant look at the forum all the time, so if there is a very serious bug or glitch, its a great way to get their attention to it asap.
We also see dev blogs before they come out so that we can stop any phrases or anything like that which may create cause for concern in the community.
We also constantly talk about various ideas that the community has posted and things here and there. Its a very difficult, time consuming and thankless job but its worth it as the game and the community do benifit in the long term. A lot of the stuff we do if behind closed doors so its difficult to talk about specifics, it also irritates me when people say that I or any other CPM isnt doing anything or is a bad or even good CPM because honestly they dont see whats going on beyond the forums.
Its not all sunshine and bunnies if you want to apply for CPM and its not going to let you have infinite power either.
Now finally, about me and my plans. Honestly I have been toying with the idea of running for CPM1 if, nothing else, to spite some of the asshats that have been dogging me this last year, but I really am not sure. One one hand as, to my knowledge, none of the current CPM are going to be running, it would be very usful for the next lot to have someone who has been there like we had Hans. On the other hand, for various reasons that are covered by NDA, the next CPM is going to have a REALLY hard time, possibly harder than what we had. Its this reason that i know a few of the current CPM dont want back in (well, that and they are alll a bit tired of it).
So yes, everyone here should think very long and hard if you wish to run because it will NOT be easy and it will NOT be all fun and games. Either way, if you think you can take it and make a positive influence on the game, best of luck to you! I have a personal list of people I do hope will be running so I can vote on them but I will be keeping that private.
Kind Regards,
Jenza Aranda // Jennifer Murray
CPM0
Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
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Texs Red
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:27:00 -
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Why do you think the NDA will be worse for the CPM1? |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 03:19:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Why do you think the NDA will be worse for the CPM1?
The NDA is something that's always going to vary item to item. It's really just with any specific item, what CCP says is or isn't for sharing.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:37:00 -
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I'll tack on some thoughts here as well, I suppose.
Firstly, To echo Jenza's sentiment;
If you're expecting any part of this to be fun, you're horribly wrong. If you plan on being a GOOD council bro, you're going to spend a huge portion of the time you used to spend playing the game... just sitting there talking to people, reading stuff, and facepalming instead. You're going to have to deal with facepalm after facepalm, unable to discuss your anguish with anyone but your councilbros. You're going to help CCP avoid travesties, and no one will ever know what you stopped except for your fellow council bros. Meanwhile, the vocal majority of the community will spit on you, despite your efforts.
One of the dark realities of design is that most ideas are usually pretty bad. When people have been brainstorming for a while... pretty much any idea can begin to sound really good, until someone else enters the room and says "That's just freaking terrible.... Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad. - But if you changed them like X, they could be good!" That person entering the room is going to be you as a CPM bro. And the sad truth is.... The people in the room are probably not going to listen to you nearly as often as you think, despite how obvious the flaws in their ideas may seem.
If you're easily frustrated, impatient, and quite frankly not a masochistic optimist.... The CPM is not for you.
You'll be in for a lot of sleepless nights, as you try to have meetings not just with CCP, but your fellow council bros to prepare for meetings with CCP across multiple timezones.
You'll get forum hate of all kinds under whatever veiled reason satisfies those who just want to rage, and the CPM makes a good conduit for that rage.
You'll spend hours talking to dozens of different people who say the exact same stuff, in dozens of different channels/mediums.
To top that all off... You'll find out that the CPM doesn't have nearly as much influence, or find out nearly as many 'secrets' as you might think. Whatever benefits you may think the CPM gets.... I can assure you that for nearly anyone who applies it will not be worth it for them, and the frustration will get the better of them.
But, I would like to differ from Jenza on one key point.
If you ask yourself "Why do I want to do this" and "I just want to make the game better" is your only answer... You're probably full of ****. Keeping that in mind, anyone attempting to be self-serving and push for benefits for their own corp/alliance/friends/self will very, very quickly be called out on it by the rest of the council, and it's a very easy way to get yourself relegated to the 'kids table' while everyone else discusses stuff seriously :P Even if CCP makes some stupid decisions here and there, they are smart enough to know when someone is pushing for something for the wrong reasons and know that those people will pretty much just get a patronizing tap on the head whenever they speak.
In summary :
While I would definitely call being on the CPM illuminating, and a good way to peer behind the veil of the game design industry.... I would consider no part of this position rewarding. No part of it was fun. It takes away from your ability to enjoy the game, plain and simple.
To anyone who is in the process of or has already drafted a generic "This is what is wrong with dust and how I plan to fix it" campaign posting : You're probably going to regret doing so long before your term is up. Fair warning.
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Texs Red wrote:Why do you think the NDA will be worse for the CPM1? The NDA is something that's always going to vary item to item. It's really just with any specific item, what CCP says is or isn't for sharing.
Ha, no, not at all.
The NDA is super broad, a boiler plate sheet of paper that probably looks like a thousand others at many other companies. Basically says "dont share trade secrets". There's nothing specific ever named in the document itself.
The CPM doesnt share stuff if CCP asks us not to, plain and simple. It's really nothing to do with the NDA prescribing anything, just more of a professional courtesy.
Also....Its late and I'm tired but I'll happily echo all the thoughts from the above two CPM's, both Jenz and Nova gave a great summary of what incoming candidates should expect.
I'll add one more thing - in my mind, the winning candidates are already a known quantity. Ask yourselves this - "have I already been doing the work of a CPM as much as I can without insider access?" If the answer is no, don't run. I'll be personally trying to murder your campaign if I think you're full of hot air. There's easily more than the needed number of people who have already been forwarding feedback to us and to the devs, and working with the community intimately, and who know what the community wants from CCP.
The winners will be the people that are doing this work -right now-, and over the last several months. Not the ones who promise to, or who begin showing off their awesome usefulness in the next few months, they'll be the ones that have done it all last year and who people already think should run.
So yeah, that's what I'll add to the stack of reasons to scare the weak away from the position. :) You already know if you've proven that you belong on the council. If you're not already helping, put the banners and pins and brownies away and just don't run. Those that belong there are already doing the job and the community knows it. These winning candidates won't be making promises, they'll be the ones pointing at their proven track record  |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:46:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:If you're easily frustrated, impatient, and quite frankly not a masochistic optimist.... The CPM is not for you.
I'm a masochistic optimist. I've been doing it for years. Probably longer than anyone else. :)
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Kain Spero
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:32:00 -
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To all the would be candidates,
I have to agree with the sentiments of my fellow council members. If you think CPM will be a cool and fun thing you are going to be terribly disappointed and regret your decision to run.
The task that is put before the council is a job in every sense of the word. You will wake up at god awful hours for meetings after spending a most of the night preparing for that meeting. You will find your free time slipping away and time with family and friends having to be rescheduled so you can accomplish the tasks at hand. Your time will become the community's and CCP's resource to spend. You are a servant to the community and a servant to the betterment of the game.
You better not just like this game. You had better love it and the potential is has if you want to have any hope of surviving your term. You will find yourself in the most stressful position you ever thought imaginable. You will pour your heart out to make a difference and often find your blood, sweat, and tears fall on deaf ears in an institution that can't begin to fathom the importance of it's own community and the transparency required to keep that relationship intact. Fortitude and perseverance will be your strongest allies.
There is a chance you can make a difference though and help be part of something that makes Dust a better game for everyone. There is even a chance you can continue the progress of helping to make CCP realize the value of its community and that developing in a black box is the way of the past and an open relationship with their customers will bear far sweeter fruit.
Think twice about what you are getting into and know if you take this task lightly you will end up wasting the time of the other councilors, CCP, and most importantly the community. If you lack the fortitude this job will grind you into the dirt until there is nothing left but an empty husk, so take a hard look and yourself and be honest about deciding if you are ready for what this job requires.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Matobar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:47:00 -
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I like the way this thread is going. Scare away all but the most serious CPM candidates by any means necessary. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.11 12:30:00 -
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Masochistic optimism and perseverance... Those are amongst my strong natural traits.
They are ingrained in me.
Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:48:00 -
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What are the prerequisites?
Who wants some?
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:51:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:What are the prerequisites?
Not announced yet. However you can assume a few things:
* You need to be 21 years of age.
* You need to have a valid passport.
* Your real name will be publicly disclosed.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:13:00 -
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Hey just one thing to add here,allmost every those things happens when you start playing dust
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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