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Posted - 2014.01.31 06:57:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Matobar wrote:Hey Soraya, wanted to see if you've seen/commented on this idea. My opinion is that district locking needs to be fixed. People shouldn't be able to earn that much ISK with that little risk. I actually kinda would like CCP to just confiscate all the ISK generated by locked districts, and class the behavior as an illegal exploit. I don't think encouraging donation is a particularly New Eden-y thing to do. (Though, as with any good sandbox, I welcome people to do whatever they want.) If new players need ISK so badly, that actually speaks to possibly the need for CCP to make it easier for new players to make enough ISK. Or a better training area, so new players can test things out without spending SP and ISK to do so. Player-based initiatives are great, but especially at this point in DUST's lifetime, they are also often indicators that something's wrong with the game. I don't think anyone will disagree with me when I say the new player experience needs work. ;)
Why are you obsessed with punishment here. Locking districts started day 1 of PC and the locking + not showing up was known since summer. CCP put in a fail safe (or error handling since you are a code nerd) that roles back the attack and refund clones or clone packs in case of server crash. Sadly the great and amazing ccp devs didn't do a good enough job and allowed dual no show to give a false server crash effect. Now ccp hasn't said this but a server crash and dual no show has same results so do the math.
That said, you and I agree on the issues surrounding PC but you cant say they deserved to be punished for it. Players have gone thru enough bad stuff with PC, thats punishment enough.
The second thing is PC isk for the most part funds groups for FW. You can't just take that away without putting it somewhere else. Since isk cant be brought to FW till the can change the client (which i doubt is 1.8 because ccp said it would be temp only and throw away code blah blah blah). Trust me i hate isk farming in dust and in eve all the same but for now dust needs isk in via PC.
Now the NPE is a huge issue and i solo a lot on my toons and its pretty rough. Sadly ccp has to balance the game to squads and to proto gear. Not to mention dust has a small and very casual population. There is only so much ccp can do with match making on top of that. In the current set up NPE is aweful and isn't going to improve much.
Now if we are honest and accept dust is a fps game and fps games dont really care about npe nor do its players much. NPE just isn't a factor i fps games. I mean having help run a highsec alliance for last 5 years I am all about the NPE in eve but thats a completely different game genre and player type.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 07:52:00 -
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This is why we can't have nice things around here. Let me clear up a few things for you.
Players are not leaving dust because 2% of the player base farming isk without fighting as opposed to farming isk while fighting. Players leave dust because its really not a good game and the NPE is terrible.
Now pay attention to this part i'm going to help you with your math
/hypothetical math mode
If there are no PC then the clones auto sell for 8 or 10 million isk a day per district. On the low end if a player makes 1 mill profit from a match thats 16 million for the team for 1 side. Players make much more that 1 million. So in reality (unless you are a tanker) players are making less isk with the locking then they would fighting in PCs. Fighting in PC brings more isk into dust then locking districts do.
/math
If you were really concerned with the "economy" you would want players to just lock districts and not fight to lower the isk into dust.
The first month of FW I saw many many corps and players (remember I have 5 toons I afk in fw for lp) The luster of Fw has worn off and players are back to pubs or pc to earn isk. In the evening this last week when i queue for any fw battle solo or in a group it takes sometimes up to 15 minutes to find a match and its the same people on both sides. The lack of isk has actually put all the proto pub stompers back into pubs to earn isk. Heck most of the people i squad with last few weeks has mainly been pub play. A month ago we were doing 10 or 20 fw battles a night.
this in turn makes pubs terrible and hurts the casual players and noobs. Remember when 1.7 came out and the threads about how pubs were fun again because proto stompers were in fw?
lets recap.
1. There isn't real economy in dust
2. More isk comes into dust via fighting vs locking
3. The only people who play fw with any consitantcy are PC corps
4. No isk in fw has pushed proto stompers to ruin casuals and noobs day in pub matches.
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Posted - 2014.01.31 15:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Beers, a big part of the problem is the spread of ISK, not how much is created. And having to actually defend their districts would also keep them out of pubs, and burning their proto gear in actual PC matches.
What are you on about now? I was responding to you wanting to punish PC corps for locking and gaining unfair economic advantage. I still say there is no reason to take the isk back because pc players get less isk then they would if they play the match. PC players are the most dedicated players in dust and CCP has no standing to do so.
Also I already told you FW pulled PC players from pubs with their proto gear and all, not PC. When fac war came out I was playing 20-30 matches a day between my dust buddies. We never went to pubs. Fast forward to now and I go days without finding squads for Amarr or Caldari (yes i afk toons on gallente and minmatar sides still)
If you want to be on cpm1 you need to understand what goes on in why. Also you have pretty much killed your PC vet vote by saying they need to punished.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:35:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:I would like to clear something up here.
Even an all out PC war will not keep players from pub matches. As a member of Ancient Exiles., I got to see this first hand during the P5/RA war. PC in its current state is not complicated enough to occupy players' full attention.
I agree. Then you should give up your districts you don't have time to give your full attention to. If you did that then what you say would be true. Sadly AE's ego and want for isk > any real moral justification.
I don't blame you for locking districts as PC is terrible design, but trying to justify it more than a simple "We are doing it" is lame.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 21:58:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Free Beers wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:I would like to clear something up here.
Even an all out PC war will not keep players from pub matches. As a member of Ancient Exiles., I got to see this first hand during the P5/RA war. PC in its current state is not complicated enough to occupy players' full attention. I agree. Then you should give up your districts you don't have time to give your full attention to. If you did that then what you say would be true. Sadly AE's ego and want for isk > any real moral justification. I don't blame you for locking districts as PC is terrible design, but trying to justify it more than a simple "We are doing it" is lame. As I am not in the leadership of AE, I cannot speak on their behalf as far as motivation for locking districts or giving up any. What I do know is that up until this, AE has not locked their districts from threats and has taken the risk of losing them. This game should never be about charity or making everything fair. It should be about giving everyone the same opportunity and allowing them to make of it what they will. This isnt little league, everyone doesnt get a participation trophy.
So wait let me get this straight. Your corp locks its districts to farm passive isk and you are talking about participation trophies when its your corp that said "Alright we can't defend all these timers and have fun attacking so lets just settle for the participation isk trophy instead"
Please stop posting you are making my AE buddies look bad and you should feel bad.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 22:20:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:
Neither my corp nor I have said what you are quoting. If you insist on trying to put words in my mouth to try to get a rise out of me then we might as well end this conversation now. You can post as much as you want and about whatever you want but, until it actually has some relevant point of debate, it isnt worth responding to. If you have a beef with AE, I suggest you take it up with Kujo, Matt, Soul and the other directors.
AE are my buds and It's obvious I know about whats going on then you do. As such, I'm allowed to chastise them, it's what I do. You should really stop trying to justify it because there isn't one that is acceptable to anyone.
PC is what it is these days and we all know it. Trying to make any excuse just makes you look bad.
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:16:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Free Beers wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:
Neither my corp nor I have said what you are quoting. If you insist on trying to put words in my mouth to try to get a rise out of me then we might as well end this conversation now. You can post as much as you want and about whatever you want but, until it actually has some relevant point of debate, it isnt worth responding to. If you have a beef with AE, I suggest you take it up with Kujo, Matt, Soul and the other directors.
AE are my buds and It's obvious I know about whats going on then you do. As such, I'm allowed to chastise them, it's what I do. You should really stop trying to justify it because there isn't one that is acceptable to anyone. PC is what it is these days and we all know it. Trying to make any excuse just makes you look bad. Then good luck what that. Its obvious we have nothing left to discuss then.
Did you not read the corp email telling you not to post anymore? #JustSaying
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:22:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I guess I'm hosting the interim War Room in here, for the moment. I guess I appreciate the free thread bumps. ;) Appologies for that. Was just someone trying to spread misinformation to troll your thread. I promise my part in it is over and done with. And you are welcome ;)
Misinformation? I bet you believe WWF wrestling is real too? I accept the fact that you are ignorant to whats really going on and i'll leave you be about it. Trying this hard to fanboi for your corp when everyone knows its a lie just makes you look naive.
Also Soraya enjoys the fact i'm not bashing him for once in his own there.
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