DUST Search - Daily Discussion: Snipers Are Bad, Mkay

Free Beers wrote:

fragmentedhackslash wrote:

Free Beers wrote:

fragmentedhackslash wrote:

Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here?

Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me

Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z

If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board.

Kills are important but I am and always been a suport player in dust. I hardly pay attention to how many a sniper does or does not have. It's more about contributing to game play. I have had the chance to play with some very good snipers in dust. That will communicate intel, cover you hacking, cover an objective, actually be able to support the team as a sniper. Those are few and far between though. sniper is a crutch for the low skill or poor players a lot.

As you pointed out if your team sucks you go snipe which is exactly what i do. Which I have found soon as a few players do that you bascially give up the match instead of fight for it. This is compounded greatly in fw when you lose isk. Every player that goes and camps as a sniper takes another player off the field.

I have posted this else where.. we have a DIRECT CORELATION BETWEEN TANKS 514 and REDLINE SNIPERS

It happened in 1.3-1.4 (I think) when we all used to jihad lav, and go ape about tanks being broken AND say snipers are useless...

Fixed Tank OP, everyone stopped hate on snipers, TANKS 514 everyone hates snipers...

I have a higher success rate at killing tanks then snipers. I can use RE, proxies, forge, swarm, proto AV nades. I can routinely solo most stupid tankers. Even when my team as been red lined i can go and kill tanks on most maps.

sniping in that situation is nothing but a give up ( and i admit doing it myself as some maps if you are redlined you are pretty much trapped)

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Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1639	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:45:00 - [1] - Quote Full Disclaimer: I have a sniper toon, I red line camp, and I even sniped from mcc with damage mod suit when the shield could be shot thru. I have been a terrible sniper in every other fps games I played, but dust is easy mode. I have come to the conclusion that snipers in dust are broken and are more detrimental to the over game play than beneficial. 1.To me dust is about visible combat. In sockets most combat is in rifle range. Most open spaces between sockets have hills or rocks that allow for somewhat save moment (big improvement over previous super flat maps). Bad enough I have to bob and weave the 10 tanks about. 2.In Dust there is a balance ccp is trying to achieve between damage and ehp. Snipers are not required to make this choice. If you are a sniper and donGÇÖt use 3 damage modes, armor plates, sit on armor hives you are just doing it wrong. Remember its alpha damage not dps here so you just need 1 shot normally ( I pick off people already damaged because its lulz) 3.Hit scan. Really? Can you make this gun any easier. 4.Head Glitch. Kids if you donGÇÖt know what this is ask your parents 5.Level design has undue burden of restricting snipers from having over watch. Are any of you tired of having to deal with fences around stuff (I understand a lot of the fences were put it to protect old sockets from sniper camping. The newer sockets are much better design (Shout out to CCP LogicLoop and CCP Tigris)) <--- can't you tell i have written code 6.Bowl maps. 7.Making scrubs on your team that are terrible stop redline camping and not doing ** 8.Did I mention redline camping? Now I do think the redline needs to go in some cases but this will reduce redline campers greatly. 9.Lastly if you removed snipers from dust there isnGÇÖt one aspect of the game that is missed. So there you have it. You may agree with me, add to my list, disagree, or offer the pro of snipers in dust. Now donGÇÖt get all bent out of shape or just call me a bunch of names (mainly because I donGÇÖt give a **). [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 78	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:55:00 - [2] - Quote Sorry you snipers (even using underhanded tactics like redline camping) don't really bother me. At the very most you guys tend to earn no more than 600-1000 warpoints in a match (if you are GOOD that is). Meanwhile, vanguard frontline troopers like myself tend to always make warpoints in the ranges of 1200-2000+ warpoints in the matches we participate in. So snipers dont really bother me honestly. You're not getting the lions share of the profits so you can stick to sniping all you like with my blessing. Also it's fun to sneak up behind you and melee-kill you or execute you with a scrambler pistol when you sit there squatting with tunnel vision in some other direction like a dork. XD
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 9	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:59:00 - [3] - Quote Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1370	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:06:00 - [4] - Quote I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1640	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Tectonic Fusion 910	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Sorry you snipers (even using underhanded tactics like redline camping) don't really bother me. At the very most you guys tend to earn no more than 600-1000 warpoints in a match (if you are GOOD that is). Meanwhile, vanguard frontline troopers like myself tend to always make warpoints in the ranges of 1200-2000+ warpoints in the matches we participate in. So snipers dont really bother me honestly. You're not getting the lions share of the profits so you can stick to sniping all you like with my blessing. Also it's fun to sneak up behind you and melee-kill you or execute you with a scrambler pistol when you sit there squatting with tunnel vision in some other direction like a dork. XD I execute my own team by calling a tank on them... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1640	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:11:00 - [7] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Just like black ops tanks, just like LLAVs, just like proto tanks. Man you are so right, thanks for helping me see the light [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
ReGnYuM Imperfects 1658	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Explain to me why I should have a sniper in PC? Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset To the Matari, I am the equivalent to the Boogie Man
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:28:00 - [9] - Quote Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 79	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:30:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Explain to me why I should have a sniper in PC? They're useful for guarding hacked objectives. In some maps one sniper can keep two objectives safe from being hacked +Ñt once as long as the sniper knows of the sweet spots to camp.

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 419	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:35:00 - [11] - Quote There are no proto tanks at this time but I think advanced tanks are coming back. Depending on the map a GOOD sniper, and I mean a really GOOD sniper can give you letter denial on a key letter between opposing spawn points. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1640	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:37:00 - [12] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Kills are important but I am and always been a suport player in dust. I hardly pay attention to how many a sniper does or does not have. It's more about contributing to game play. I have had the chance to play with some very good snipers in dust. That will communicate intel, cover you hacking, cover an objective, actually be able to support the team as a sniper. Those are few and far between though. sniper is a crutch for the low skill or poor players a lot. As you pointed out if your team sucks you go snipe which is exactly what i do. Which I have found soon as a few players do that you bascially give up the match instead of fight for it. This is compounded greatly in fw when you lose isk. Every player that goes and camps as a sniper takes another player off the field. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:37:00 - [13] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Explain to me why I should have a sniper in PC? Heavys and Assaults in armor before you see them, forge gunners, no problems, you want tactical information about anything at anytime? Ask the pro sniper what the next move is. Incomming hardware and its location? Tankers know how valuable this is, some scout is flanku... dead. Yep She's Dead & Danja Dom will tell you of a fragmented score of 30/1 in PC , that 1 took 2 Pythons and a Charybidis with 2 Heavys , everyone redline suicided including the Pythons. They NEEDED to stop me. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1641	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Explain to me why I should have a sniper in PC? They're useful for guarding hacked objectives. In some maps one sniper can keep two objectives safe from being hacked +Ñt once as long as the sniper knows of the sweet spots to camp. If you look at the trend in level design by ccp they are moving objectives inside sockets that are protected from snipers. In time the old sockets and bowl maps will be phased out and snipers having overwatch over objectives will be a thing of the past. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
ReGnYuM Imperfects 1658	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:40:00 - [15] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree, Dust isn't about visible combat. Its All Out War. Sniprs are a part of war, its just about tactics, snipers are a tactic and a very good one. Explain to me why I should have a sniper in PC? They're useful for guarding hacked objectives. In some maps one sniper can keep two objectives safe from being hacked +Ñt once as long as the sniper knows of the sweet spots to camp. Agreed, they are good at holding a objective if it is just one lonely hacker. However if it is multiple players, a snipers effectiveness decreases drastically. Furthermore, if we're using a player for point defense. Why we not just not put logi there instead for scans and uplinks. Better yet, why would I not just swap out that sniper for a rail tank. Not only does it fit the role of a sniper, but it is also extremely good AV. Care to go again Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset To the Matari, I am the equivalent to the Boogie Man
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:43:00 - [16] - Quote Free Beers wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Kills are important but I am and always been a suport player in dust. I hardly pay attention to how many a sniper does or does not have. It's more about contributing to game play. I have had the chance to play with some very good snipers in dust. That will communicate intel, cover you hacking, cover an objective, actually be able to support the team as a sniper. Those are few and far between though. sniper is a crutch for the low skill or poor players a lot. As you pointed out if your team sucks you go snipe which is exactly what i do. Which I have found soon as a few players do that you bascially give up the match instead of fight for it. This is compounded greatly in fw when you lose isk. Every player that goes and camps as a sniper takes another player off the field. I have posted this else where.. we have a DIRECT CORELATION BETWEEN TANKS 514 and REDLINE SNIPERS It happened in 1.3-1.4 (I think) when we all used to jihad lav, and go ape about tanks being broken AND say snipers are useless... Fixed Tank OP, everyone stopped hate on snipers, TANKS 514 everyone hates snipers... Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1641	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:50:00 - [17] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Free Beers wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Kills are important but I am and always been a suport player in dust. I hardly pay attention to how many a sniper does or does not have. It's more about contributing to game play. I have had the chance to play with some very good snipers in dust. That will communicate intel, cover you hacking, cover an objective, actually be able to support the team as a sniper. Those are few and far between though. sniper is a crutch for the low skill or poor players a lot. As you pointed out if your team sucks you go snipe which is exactly what i do. Which I have found soon as a few players do that you bascially give up the match instead of fight for it. This is compounded greatly in fw when you lose isk. Every player that goes and camps as a sniper takes another player off the field. I have posted this else where.. we have a DIRECT CORELATION BETWEEN TANKS 514 and REDLINE SNIPERS It happened in 1.3-1.4 (I think) when we all used to jihad lav, and go ape about tanks being broken AND say snipers are useless... Fixed Tank OP, everyone stopped hate on snipers, TANKS 514 everyone hates snipers... I have a higher success rate at killing tanks then snipers. I can use RE, proxies, forge, swarm, proto AV nades. I can routinely solo most stupid tankers. Even when my team as been red lined i can go and kill tanks on most maps. sniping in that situation is nothing but a give up ( and i admit doing it myself as some maps if you are redlined you are pretty much trapped) [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote Free Beers wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Free Beers wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Kills are important but I am and always been a suport player in dust. I hardly pay attention to how many a sniper does or does not have. It's more about contributing to game play. I have had the chance to play with some very good snipers in dust. That will communicate intel, cover you hacking, cover an objective, actually be able to support the team as a sniper. Those are few and far between though. sniper is a crutch for the low skill or poor players a lot. As you pointed out if your team sucks you go snipe which is exactly what i do. Which I have found soon as a few players do that you bascially give up the match instead of fight for it. This is compounded greatly in fw when you lose isk. Every player that goes and camps as a sniper takes another player off the field. I have posted this else where.. we have a DIRECT CORELATION BETWEEN TANKS 514 and REDLINE SNIPERS It happened in 1.3-1.4 (I think) when we all used to jihad lav, and go ape about tanks being broken AND say snipers are useless... Fixed Tank OP, everyone stopped hate on snipers, TANKS 514 everyone hates snipers... I have a higher success rate at killing tanks then snipers. I can use RE, proxies, forge, swarm, proto AV nades. I can routinely solo most stupid tankers. Even when my team as been red lined i can go and kill tanks on most maps. sniping in that situation is nothing but a give up ( and i admit doing it myself as some maps if you are redlined you are pretty much trapped) Because you took the tine to figure out how to avoid TANKS514, how many maps have you played where your screaming at stupid blue dots to just LAV up and gurilla the reds home socket and work back... it is not all a proficient snipers fault. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 270	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:57:00 - [19] - Quote fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Are you kidding me ??? Can you GUARENTEE 25 kills every match and if so I hope everyone in the community calls you out when you don't because that's just bull $h!t . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Oswald Rehnquist 985	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:57:00 - [20] - Quote I usually run a hacker unit in FW, but having the covenant and TT3 usually allows me pop a few guys when I am infiltrating a base to hack. While I use my sniper as a secondary (main being hacking and pistol), the reason people redline the sniper so often is because the weapons sucks, hit detection is pretty bad, it didn't get the TTK buff the spray and pray weapons got, it takes 2-3 hits on a medium suit to drop which is a very long time, something between 3 to 5 seconds to kill, assuming all shots land. Meaning the only way to main it and make use of these meager benefits is to severely reduce cost (redline) I wouldn't mind if they dropped the range of sniper rifles and increased the damage, essentially give them higher risk and higher reward. Below 28 dB

gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:58:00 - [21] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table Where's the kiddie table then? Stupid thread is stupid.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 10	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:02:00 - [22] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table Well, then say something that is actually objective in not like well you opinion, you're apparently dismissing a class because you feel bad about how cheese the heck out of it. I'm denying that sniping in this gaming needs work because it really does but I'm not going to say things like it's EZ mode compared to others games, when and TF2 and CoD ARE EZ mode: OSK, quick scope, no scope, yolo HS 180. Then almost every issue is about poor level design but you are blaming those issues on snipers.
fragmentedhackslash FREE AGENTS LP 87	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: fragmentedhackslash wrote: Fact of the matter is, not many snipers can guarentee 25+ kills every map they land upon, so whats the issue here? Scout, 1st set of proto safe spotted uplinks, then get shot in the back while hacking with 4 blues watching me Scout, 2nd and 3rd set of uplinks. Again get shot in the back with blues standing around trying to high five each other like in DAY-Z If I don't see a decent heavy in the killfeed, or a squad that needs my support, yeah I'll snipe but I tell you what, I never go back to the merc quarters without 20+ dogtags and top of the board. Are you kidding me ??? Can you GUARENTEE 25 kills every match and if so I hope everyone in the community calls you out when you don't because that's just bull $h!t . Sir. I **** you not. BTW ignorance is still ignorance. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 441	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:04:00 - [24] - Quote The new redline snipers are the guys who used to go 5/0 in the redline in a Logistics Ck.0 and Wyrikomi swarms ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1644	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:12:00 - [25] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Free Beers wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table Well, then say something that is actually objective in not like well you opinion, you're apparently dismissing a class because you feel bad about how cheese the heck out of it. I'm denying that sniping in this gaming needs work because it really does but I'm not going to say things like it's EZ mode compared to others games, when and TF2 and CoD ARE EZ mode: OSK, quick scope, no scope, yolo HS 180. Then almost every issue is about poor level design but you are blaming those issues on snipers. Did I say I was being objective? I made it obvious what my opinion was, gave my reasons why I feel the way I do, and open it up for discussion. I'm also honest in the fact that ccp won't take snipers out of the game. Hence discussion in my title of the thread. So you can give your opinion and reasons behind it like everyone else. If we agree sniping is broken, how would you fix it? By all mean go point by point and beat up my reasons and offer solutions to it. Otherwise just a waste of nerd time on both our parts [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1644	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:14:00 - [26] - Quote gravalicious wrote: Free Beers wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table Where's the kiddie table then? Stupid thread is stupid. I fully expect you are one of those "I know you are but what am I" types. So i am just going to feel bad for you and leave you be [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2522	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:29:00 - [27] - Quote Return of the Imps WTF Looking For: Corp If a scout runs out of all ammunition behind enemy lines, they did something right.
gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:41:00 - [28] - Quote Free Beers wrote: gravalicious wrote: Free Beers wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Dude, why'd you reply it's got troll post written all over it. Don't feed. It's not a troll post. If you cant discuss things you can go back to the kiddie table Where's the kiddie table then? Stupid thread is stupid. I fully expect you are one of those "I know you are but what am I" types. So i am just going to feel bad for you and leave you be Expectations are never what they seem. Regardless, snipers are fine. Dust has much bigger and more pressing issues than your QQ'ing about snipers. I'd much rather have a jukebox in my quarters that plays a song for 1000 isk than let CCP waste their time "fixing" snipers.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 10	Posted - 2014.01.01 22:57:00 - [29] - Quote Fix the maps - Make them 'larger', just so the redlines and the home bases can be pushed outward and away everything normally inside stays where it originally was - Remove all high ground and remote areas behind the redlines and obstruct LOS whenever possible to prevent firing in or out - patch wherever it's possible to head glitch Make it possible or more viable than it actually is snipe tactically and not just strategically Give the player the ability to temporarily remove not mitigate all sway - - press or hold x button while zoomed in to steady. And maybe players
ADP Silenced Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2014.01.01 23:03:00 - [30] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Full Disclaimer: I have a sniper toon, I red line camp, and I even sniped from mcc with damage mod suit when the shield could be shot thru. I have been a terrible sniper in every other fps games I played, but dust is easy mode. I have come to the conclusion that snipers in dust are broken and are more detrimental to the over game play than beneficial. ). I am yet to read in your list as to why Snipers are "BROKEN"....Where in your list does it give an example of Snipers overwhelming the game? as Tanks are currently doing right now....The rule of thumb is, if one team has been reduced to sniping, Then the other team is winning...Redline/Hit Detection/Map Design/Sockets etc. really has nothing to do with Snipers being "BROKEN"....Your complaint is about "DUST 514 GAME MECHANICS"...Quit the trolling already jeeeeez!!! so annoying...



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