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stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 780	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:52:00 - [1] - Quote It should be based on consecutive matches played for the same faction. The more matches you play for the same faction in a row the more standing you get per match. Also LP should at least be partially based on in game performance, it makes no sense that the guy who gets 30+ kills and 3000 WP gets the same LP as the guys who goes 0 - 15 with 50 WP. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Expert Bong Toker
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 652	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote 100% agree with this... Tanks 514! Cheap, fast, Indestrucbible and you see tankers telling it's balanced... Just makes you want to quit this BS
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:06:00 - [3] - Quote Ok so here is a scenario. Player 1 plays 20 matches for Amarr, loose all of them at 0.3KDR Player 2 plays 3 mathces for Amarr, wins all of them at 5KDR Which one do you think the Amarrians will like more? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 784	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:10:00 - [4] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ok so here is a scenario. Player 1 plays 20 matches for Amarr, loose all of them at 0.3KDR Player 2 plays 3 mathces for Amarr, wins all of them at 5KDR Which one do you think the Amarrians will like more? The guy who plays 20 matches with a 5 KDR, I'm more concerned with the good players who are loyal to faction but get loses because their teammates where bad. It should be a combination of performance and factional loyalty. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Expert Bong Toker
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 747	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:13:00 - [5] - Quote They should give some small faction standing boost to the losers. Even 10 points would be decent. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot (6).
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 488	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:31:00 - [6] - Quote And what would prevent people from just AFK match after match? I don't mind basing LP somewhat on performance as long as what is gained isn't huge between each place. We don't need to turn matches onto WP farms, the system would be easily abused.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1375	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:34:00 - [7] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: And what would prevent people from just AFK match after match? I don't mind basing LP somewhat on performance as long as what is gained isn't huge between each place. We don't need to turn matches onto WP farms, the system would be easily abused. there's team killing for a reason. use it. :) Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
cranium79 ZionTCD Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:36:00 - [8] - Quote i know people are not going to agree with me, hell, i don't completely like it and agree with the OP, but here's my take... mercs fight at a "team" win or lose. the contract is set. the factions don't like losers. they pay us to win, not lose. it's their currency (LP or ISK) to lose. we are not individuals on the battlefields to the factions. we are biomass at their disposal. i can accept this. you lose, the factions don't like it, and you get nothing. no matter how good or bad you do. i do wish the LP payouts for winning were more, and i believe ccp has stated they are looking into it. don't ask for a post, i can't remember where it was, and i don't feel like finding it. i have a feeling that when EVE contracts come about, the system will be the same. if you win, you get paid... all equally. if you lose, you get hardly anything, or nothing at all... all equally. would be nice to see a blue tag on this, but i have a feeling that this is what they will say. welcome to new eden all.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1635	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:38:00 - [9] - Quote Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 784	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:41:00 - [10] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose I have no control over the 15 random idiots CCP puts on my team, its not my fault they can't hold a letter if i'm not there, its stupid that good players get punished for being placed on bad teams. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Expert Bong Toker

Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 404	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:41:00 - [11] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose You don't play for Amarr or Caldari do you-_- We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
cranium79 ZionTCD Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:45:00 - [12] - Quote things should change a bit when team deploy arrives (soon ). i just hope TD arrives before full eve contracts arrive. otherwise it's going to be a mess. tbh, i don't know why team deploy has been such a chore. many other games do this. at least make the squad count 16. that should be the easiest short term fix.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 404	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose I've seen and heard of minmatar and Gallente standings levels and when I see my lvl 7 I just die a little inside since every Gallentean has lvl ten and has had it for a while We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1635	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:47:00 - [14] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose You don't play for Amarr or Caldari do you-_- I play for all 4 factions on diff toons. Doesn't change the fact that winning matters and the rewards are fine. I dont get what carlos is on about though because i have seen him play for minmatar which is normally easy mode. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ok so here is a scenario. Player 1 plays 20 matches for Amarr, loose all of them at 0.3KDR Player 2 plays 3 mathces for Amarr, wins all of them at 5KDR Which one do you think the Amarrians will like more? The guy who plays 20 matches with a 5 KDR, I'm more concerned with the good players who are loyal to a faction but get loses because their teammates where bad. It should be a combination of performance and factional loyalty. If they are good players, they will network with other good players and win. Loyalty? You want loyalty in New Eden? Just Sayin. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 404	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:51:00 - [16] - Quote cranium79 wrote: things should change a bit when team deploy arrives (soon ). i just hope TD arrives before full eve contracts arrive. otherwise it's going to be a mess. tbh, i don't know why team deploy has been such a chore. many other games do this. at least make the squad count 16. that should be the easiest short term fix. That's all you have to do change name to team and squad numbers to 16 it's simple the problem is they are taken vacation days like crazy and not caring about the health of the game. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 784	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:01:00 - [17] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose You don't play for Amarr or Caldari do you-_- I play for all 4 factions on diff toons. Doesn't change the fact that winning matters and the rewards are fine. I dont get what carlos is on about though because i have seen him play for minmatar which is normally easy mode. I don't play FW anymore unless my squadmates want to run it, I did play solo for Caldari until I got tried of having 20 more kills and 1500 more WP than anyone else on the team and losing. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Expert Bong Toker
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1403	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:06:00 - [18] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: And what would prevent people from just AFK match after match? I don't mind basing LP somewhat on performance as long as what is gained isn't huge between each place. We don't need to turn matches onto WP farms, the system would be easily abused. Are you serious? The current formula ENCOURAGES AFKing all match! The fact that you can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and get the exact same payout as everyone else encourages AFK farming! This system would partially solve that. Or at least make it more fair for those who do try. Marston VC, STB Director
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1635	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:20:00 - [19] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose You don't play for Amarr or Caldari do you-_- I play for all 4 factions on diff toons. Doesn't change the fact that winning matters and the rewards are fine. I dont get what carlos is on about though because i have seen him play for minmatar which is normally easy mode. I don't play FW anymore unless my squadmates want to run it, I did play solo for Caldari until I got tried of having 20 more kills and 1500 more WP than anyone else on the team and losing. I dont play Amarr or Caldari if i dont have a full squad either. Just the nature of the game right now. I solo and afk on minmatar and gallente. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2009	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:31:00 - [20] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose I have no control over the 15 random idiots CCP puts on my team, its not my fault they can't hold a letter if i'm not there, its stupid that good players get punished for being placed on bad teams. You can pick 5 of those 15. Having a good squad makes a big difference. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.

stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 789	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:39:00 - [21] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose I have no control over the 15 random idiots CCP puts on my team, its not my fault they can't hold a letter if i'm not there, its stupid that good players get punished for being placed on bad teams. You can pick 5 of those 15. Having a good squad makes a big difference. Thats if I can find 5 who are wiling to play for caldari. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 489	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:26:00 - [22] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: And what would prevent people from just AFK match after match? I don't mind basing LP somewhat on performance as long as what is gained isn't huge between each place. We don't need to turn matches onto WP farms, the system would be easily abused. Are you serious? The current formula ENCOURAGES AFKing all match! The fact that you can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and get the exact same payout as everyone else encourages AFK farming! This system would partially solve that. Or at least make it more fair for those who do try. Ha, what are you talking about? If you AFK now you have a good chance of NOT winning the match. Sure everyone on that team got the same reward ie nothing. Yes, the imbalance in FW means you can AFK as Minnie or Gal and still win but if enough people do this there is little hope of winning. Adding in loser LP points just means I find a nice place to AFK. I don't care if you teamkill me, I'll just report you. I can run starter suits so no Isk loss. I can periodically check back on the match to see if I die. I can gain 10 lp for 0 isk or I can spend 100k+ Isk for 50 LP.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1637	Posted - 2014.01.01 19:36:00 - [23] - Quote 2 days ago i afk'd for minmatar in afternoon and won 16 of 18 matches. All i ever do is drop 3 uplinks by home point to farm some wp then i go hide in corner. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 797	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:15:00 - [24] - Quote Free Beers wrote: 2 days ago i afk'd for minmatar in afternoon and won 16 of 18 matches. All i ever do is drop 3 uplinks by home point to farm some wp then i go hide in corner. Yep system is severely broken AFKing in Minmatar and Gallente is almost a guaranteed win, where as Caldari and Amarr require at least one full coordinated squad to have a chance and even then its 50/50. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1637	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:22:00 - [25] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: 2 days ago i afk'd for minmatar in afternoon and won 16 of 18 matches. All i ever do is drop 3 uplinks by home point to farm some wp then i go hide in corner. Yep the FW system is severely broken, AFKing in Minmatar and Gallente is still almost a guaranteed win, where as Caldari and Amarr require at least one full coordinated squad to have a chance and even then its 50/50. I agree totally. Hence why i posted a thread on what changes ccp needs to make for 1.8. Also we team Qsync for amarr and caldari daily it seems you can roll with us i you really want to fight a real battle [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1481	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:25:00 - [26] - Quote Winning should matter, but losing shouldn't get you nothing. The faction has to pay you something. Mercs don't work for free. I don't see any problem with the top players on the winning and losing sides getting a boost. As it stands now, the FW imbalance is only going to get worse and worse as more and more people leave Caldar and Amarr because there is literally no reward for fighting for them. Meanwhile, people AFK in ez mode Minmatar and Gallente and have way higher standing than people who have lost tens of millions of ISK worth of suits fighting their a$ses off for Amarr/Caldari. If the top players for the losing side get a little more LP, and more importantly, some small increase in standings, then there is motivation to keep fighting. Currently there is zero. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 78	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:26:00 - [27] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: Winning matters. If you want to just be rewarded for showing up you can play pubs. This isn't going to change so best not lose I have no control over the 15 random idiots CCP puts on my team, its not my fault they can't hold a letter if i'm not there, its stupid that good players get punished for being placed on bad teams. You can pick 5 of those 15. Having a good squad makes a big difference. No it doesen't. If your team is up against an entire team of veterans, and the rest of your team excluding your squad of experimentnced veterans are complete noobs then you will lose regardless of your choice in squad. Punishing an entire team for losing when individual posters barely have any control over who their team mates are for any given match is just stupid. This is also the reason why I boycott FW. I don't really feel like fighting for nothing, since my individual performance doesn't get duly rewarded (unlike pubs where my pay is based on what I did in the match and not on what the other idiot blueberries did)
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1057	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:27:00 - [28] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: It should be based on consecutive matches played for the same faction. The more matches you play for the same faction in a row the more standing you get per match. Also LP should at least be partially based on in game performance, it makes no sense that the guy who gets 30+ kills and 3000 WP gets the same LP as the guys who goes 0 - 15 with 50 WP. that's too easy. you could say that it should be based on warpoints. or maybe kills. but saying it should be matches played is useless from a gameplay standpoint.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 141	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:33:00 - [29] - Quote 5 standing points for lost matches and keep winning matches with the same system. Also LP payout should be based on performance + standings in some way. This patchwork system they through together to rush it out is disgusting. I love CCP for bringing us the game but holy hell how can you take so long to put out something completely broken like this.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 800	Posted - 2014.01.01 20:43:00 - [30] - Quote Free Beers wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Free Beers wrote: 2 days ago i afk'd for minmatar in afternoon and won 16 of 18 matches. All i ever do is drop 3 uplinks by home point to farm some wp then i go hide in corner. Yep the FW system is severely broken, AFKing in Minmatar and Gallente is still almost a guaranteed win, where as Caldari and Amarr require at least one full coordinated squad to have a chance and even then its 50/50. I agree totally. Hence why i posted a thread on what changes ccp needs to make for 1.8. Also we team Qsync for amarr and caldari daily it seems you can roll with us i you really want to fight a real battle I might just take you up on that, same channel as caldari event? STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado



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