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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1112	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:08:00 - [1] - Quote hello all. if you don't know me, i am TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR. full time scout. and the stealthiest, quickest delicacy you will ever meet. i am here to give a little insight on speed tanking in Tank 514, i meant AR 514, oh well you know what i'm trying to say. (kidding obviously) first, i'll start out with a disclaimer. if you are getting into the role of the speed tanking scout, then make sure that you have the means to avoid AT LEAST ADV scanners, even if you have to give up some speed for a profile dampener. speed tanking means that it won't take much to kill you, and if they can see you through a wall before you can flank, then you're as good as dead. i would recommend trying to avoid ADV scanners passively, and i'll give you 2 ways that i know for sure will do it. 1.) Scout operation to 5 2.) Scout operation to 3 and profile dampening to 4. now if you're new and don't know how to speed tank, let me just say it's a bit of an sp sink, but in the end you will need to get Kinetic Catalyzation to 5. this is how you will achieve those untouchable speeds. The Execution it is imperative that you remember one thing at ALL COSTS when speed tanking. DON'T LET YOUR WANT FOR KILLS GET THE BETTER OF YOU. this is still something i haven't quite mastered, but i can definitely consider myself an expert on. you WILL die in less than a second of concentrated fire, so the goal is to minimize the amount of times your opponent can hit you. this is especially important when jumping headfirst into a large crowd of reds. the second you become greedy for kills is the second you will die. when your in a group of reds, never stop moving, and only stay in there for no more than a few seconds. then you need to run, and quick. you can return in a few seconds once the awareness of your presence has died down. good thing to remenber, the faster you are, the harder you'll be to catch. keep moving, only slowing for quick breaks to regain your stamina. The 2 (actually 3) Banes of CQC these are 2 things that there is unfortunatley no way to avoid, and you must learn to deal with them. 1.) Lag everyone in DUST knows about the horrendous framerate drops that occur due to equipment spam, or the map itself, but lag affects CQC fighters the most. especially when using nova knives or shotguns, the lag gets so bad, that it becomes difficult to hit almost completely stationary targets. there is no way to avoid this and you must learn to deal with it. 2.) Hit Detection while this has been fixed for the most part, any shotgunner or sniper can testify that it is still a very apparent problem. In CQC, that one hit that doesn't register can be the difference between life or death, and it often times is. again, there is no way to avoid this and you must learn to get past it. 3.) Sprinting Bug after much testing i've found that this bug ALWAYS happens if you try to sprint immediately after firing ANY weapon or using equipment. unlike the others, this bug is new to 1.7 and hopefully will be fixed by 1.8. in the meantime though, if you don't train yourself to get past this, you WILL die countless times to it. 2 possible fixes are as follows: a.) crouch right before sprinting b.) pause before shooting and sprinting Possible Fits i know many people run ADV or lower most of the time, but unfortunately i run proto almost all the time, unless i'm nova knifing. even so, i will share a few fits that i use for you to try out. Scout gk.0 (Main) CRG-3 Shotgun 'Syndicate' SMG 3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers Basic Reactive Plate Complex Shield Extender Scout mk.0 (don't use this, but i know it works) K5 Specialist Shotgun 'Syndicate' SMG 3 Complex Shield xtenders 2 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers Minamatar Light Frame M/1 Series Combat Rifle Ishukone Nova Knives Enhanced Profile Dampener Complex KinCat Complex Shield Extender last but not least, practice makes perfect. don't expect to be an expert scout day 1. it took many of us months to get to the level that we are at now. well, happy hunting my sneaky brothers(and sisters). Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1113	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote what? no comments? that's rather depressing... Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1246	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote All I want to know is, what's the fastest fit in DUST? Is it 10m/s 11m/s? whats a gallente scout with 4 complex kin cats come out to? if i've gotten that right. one guy i have runs at 9.6 and i can barely control him!
Tectonic Fusion 912	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote I like your advanced fit. Personally I don't have proto, but I know the basic and advanced fits are really good. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.01.01 21:31:00 - [5] - Quote It wasn't QQing about tanks or trolling of some kind. It wasn't about tanks, medium frames, or rifles. I think you got your hopes up a little on this one. Good ideas though. I just don't have the PG to fit them on my suit, and I don't want to use anything above std given the cost and amount of deaths I frequently have. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1116	Posted - 2014.01.01 23:38:00 - [6] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: All I want to know is, what's the fastest fit in DUST? Is it 10m/s 11m/s? whats a gallente scout with 4 complex kin cats come out to? if i've gotten that right. one guy i have runs at 9.6 and i can barely control him! my main speed tanking fit, the scout gk.0 i showed runs at 10.73 m/s, which is about .35 meters faster than the fastest scout mk.0 (10.38) the fastest suit in the game is the scout gk.0 with 4 complex kincats, though it's not a very viable fit.it runs at 11.11 m/s. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2014.01.02 00:30:00 - [7] - Quote I have been running a g1s with an enhanced kin cat and pro stamina, 2 enhanced light dmg mods and a bk 42 CR. R9 uplinks and flex grenades. Some maneuvering and patience and I love the results!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2016	Posted - 2014.01.02 00:51:00 - [8] - Quote This should go in the Rookie Training Grounds forum where it will not get barried so quickly. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1492	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:02:00 - [9] - Quote Wish I had a scout and some knives to go with it. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1417	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:06:00 - [10] - Quote Here we go, my Speed Tanked Min Assault fit: 349 Shields 208 Armor ADV Combat Rifle ADV Flaylock Enhanced Kincat Enhanced Ferroscale M1 Nades ADV Needle Well, this fit serves the flanking role quite well. You run at around 8.5m/s and actually have a decent eHP pool. You quickly flank a position and work your way up through cover. By the time you get within flaylock range, most targets should be dead or wounded, and the flaylock cleans them up very nicely. Reload speed on all weapons is good too, and the fitting benefits those who know when to run. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 491	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:27:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think 4 kin cats is viable, the stacking penalty kills you. Even 3 and you are getting hit hard. I like throwing a cardiac regulator on so you can run longer, you'll be able to sprint longer and thus cover more ground. Personally, if your running Gal Scout I think it's nice to skill up passive scanning, you'll get the drop on most suits. In your lone high slot I prefer a precision enhancer because the extra 72 hp isn't enough of a buffer to help much. With one complex precision enhancer you'll scan all mediums even if they have 1 complex dampener. Adding in range skills and you scan up to 36m, very helpful in the right situations and makes a shotgun scout that much stronger. You can run a tanked gal scout with 3 complex plates, and 1 kin cat. You almost make up the speed (if they still have speed plate stacking benefit then you do make it up completely). This is really best for those rail rifle scouts.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2288	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:33:00 - [12] - Quote the mods for your mk.0 are the same as mine "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout/Logi/Dropship//Sniper
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 935	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:40:00 - [13] - Quote speed tanking is really expensive for what you get so fair warning. I've never done it but you could try a high tier caldari medframe kin kats in the lows extenders in the highs caldari ck.0 [ damage mod x1 pro shield extenders x3 kin kat x3 ] caldari ck.0 [ damage mod x1 pro shield extenders x3 kin kat x2 cardiac reg x1 ] not sure if those would be viable but maybe... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Scout Registry 226	Posted - 2014.01.02 01:41:00 - [14] - Quote \o/ Tranq knows his stuff. A devious bastard, this one :-)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1122	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:47:00 - [15] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: speed tanking is really expensive for what you get so fair warning. I've never done it but you could try a high tier caldari medframe kin kats in the lows extenders in the highs caldari ck.0 [ damage mod x1 pro shield extenders x3 kin kat x3 ] caldari ck.0 [ damage mod x1 pro shield extenders x3 kin kat x2 cardiac reg x1 ] not sure if those would be viable but maybe... well as fate would have it, i have experimented extensively on speed tanking a caldari medium frame ck.0. long story short, it is viable, and actually is more versatile than a scout suit,but the maximum speed is 9.84 m/s with 3 kincats. on top of that, the stamina pool does make a significant difference, as well as the profile. Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3588	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:53:00 - [16] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: All I want to know is, what's the fastest fit in DUST? Is it 10m/s 11m/s? whats a gallente scout with 4 complex kin cats come out to? if i've gotten that right. one guy i have runs at 9.6 and i can barely control him! My Mk.0 if i EVER get to play dust again,while speed tanked,get all the way up to 10.40 Sprt speed. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 245	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:17:00 - [17] - Quote I'll favorite this topic for the future when I get Kin cats & car regs to 5. Still gotta get shield extenders to lvl 5(Just one more lvl and I'llbe lvl 5)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1124	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:35:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: All I want to know is, what's the fastest fit in DUST? Is it 10m/s 11m/s? whats a gallente scout with 4 complex kin cats come out to? if i've gotten that right. one guy i have runs at 9.6 and i can barely control him! My Mk.0 if i EVER get to play dust again,while speed tanked,get all the way up to 10.40 Sprt speed. 10.38 is the absolute maximum for a minmatar scout. my speed tanked scout gk.0 runs at 10.73 m/s, with an absolute max of 11.11 m/s. Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 206	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:42:00 - [19] - Quote None of this matters if you can't flank for ** or hit the broad side of a barn. Ambush will test your zig-zagging and flanking skills. Wish I had a MD, the cluster*s are insane. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT* I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 776	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:29:00 - [20] - Quote pfft.... I thought this thread was about speedy driving in a tank and got excited..... This is just meh... Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1130	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:55:00 - [21] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: pfft.... I thought this thread was about speedy driving in a tank and got excited..... This is just meh... Kill Yourself. since when does speed tanking LITERALLY mean driving a tank like this is Need For Speed? Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
skippy678 the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME 2409	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:55:00 - [22] - Quote No wonder cant keep up with you Tranq. My Amarr aK is like half your speed lol. I promise to like all your posts. Its only fair. Level 2 Forum Warrior
mollerz Minja Scouts 1525	Posted - 2014.01.02 07:54:00 - [23] - Quote I was really disappointed when I first saw the minja stats drop. Still went with it though I was expecting to be faster. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1134	Posted - 2014.01.02 07:56:00 - [24] - Quote mollerz wrote: I was really disappointed when I first saw the minja stats drop. Still went with it though I was expecting to be faster. hey, it's still pretty fast though. 10.38 is still a very fast sprint, faster than most suits in the game. Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 456	Posted - 2014.01.02 08:01:00 - [25] - Quote My minmatar scout fit: Assault rifle Gn/20 flaylock Complex damage mod(might be enhanced) Militia kinetic catalyzer Enhanced (or imperial complex) cardireg I think sprint is like 9ish or something, currently working on biotics5, should have it by the end of the week. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1421	Posted - 2014.01.02 16:07:00 - [26] - Quote Ha. Tranq, your MK.0 fit is Lightninings Fit. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 338	Posted - 2014.01.02 16:26:00 - [27] - Quote great post. I'm just waiting for the last two scout suits before I plunge my SP into one of them... I mess around with my dragonfly BPO and my shotgun and it's definitely fun - of course if people see you - you just die. I'm really curious about what the caldari/amarr scout bonuses will be...
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2026	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:45:00 - [28] - Quote I use a Complex Kinetic Catalyzer on my Heavy. It makes flanking quite viable. Also, as a heavy who has encountered some speed tanking Scouts/Assault I can confirm that speed tanking works. DonGÇÖt just strafe, orbit! Also if you need to cross back through their stream of fire, jump over it. Strafing does not work well against aim assist, but you can easily speed tank against aim assist if you know what you are doing. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1143	Posted - 2014.01.03 04:01:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ha. Tranq, your MK.0 fit is Lightninings Fit. really? i didn't know that. must be popular amongst the minjas Words cannot describe the sadness i feel because Zero No Tsukaima is over ;_; the feels...THE FEELS...
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1428	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:20:00 - [30] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ha. Tranq, your MK.0 fit is Lightninings Fit. really? i didn't know that. must be popular amongst the minjas Famous for it's simplicity. Speed, Shields, Shotgun. All you need Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.



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