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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:36:00 -
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I see a lot of people arguing that AV is for making tanks run away, and that if it runs away, you "won" because you forced it out of the battle.
Yeah, maybe, for 10 seconds?
That's the problem, there is no lasting effect, tanks just regenerate uber quick and come back and stomp the AV user that DARED (ghasp) to try and shoot their baby!
If AV, say, stopped shield regeneration for a long time/slowed armor regen to a crawl, that would force tanks out of the battle for long, so that making them run is actually a small victory.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7665
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:38:00 -
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+1
The extremely fast regeneration rate makes the ease a retreat even more of a problem.
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jordy mack
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:52:00 -
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And it should make the guns fall off, and the enemy redline catch fire too.
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Also u refer to av like its one weapon... |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:59:00 -
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jordy mack wrote:And it should make the guns fall off, and the enemy redline catch fire too.
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Also u refer to av like its one weapon...
I refer to AV as a job in general.
Infantry AV that is, tanks are anti everything.
Also, what the **** does the first sentence have to do with anything?
Do you hate bugs biting your shiny metal arse and actually doing something while squishing them?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:59:00 -
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lol, people all the time hate on snipers. most of it is directed at Redline snipers with the mantra or "low risk, high reward." why is there not equal hate for tanks? Bring risk vs isk vs reward into an equal balance and maybe the "small victory would be almost acceptable .
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5166
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:02:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:lol, people all the time hate on snipers. Redlines with the mantra or "low risk, high reward." why is there not equal hate for tanks? Bring risk vs isk vs reward into an equal balance and maybe the "small victory would be almost acceptable
That's another problem.
Risk vs Reward is broken in tanks.
I am more safe and can do more damage in a 70k tank than my 200k Proto suit.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Eurydice Itzhak
State Patriots
Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cass Caul wrote:lol, people all the time hate on snipers. Redlines with the mantra or "low risk, high reward." why is there not equal hate for tanks? Bring risk vs isk vs reward into an equal balance and maybe the "small victory would be almost acceptable That's another problem. Risk vs Reward is broken in tanks. I am more safe and can do more damage in a 70k tank than my 200k Proto suit.
Mlt tanks are too cheap. Yes.
My 500k real tank fits are perfectly fine in risk vs reward.
1.2m for tanks pre 1.7 was far too high risk vs the reward. |
Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:13:00 -
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On a similar note maybe it's time for Structure Points. Only different from Eve. When large amounts of alpha damage occurs within a given interval (like a half second) a small amount is transferred to hull damage. At various thresholds have that damage translate into penalties.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
142
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:20:00 -
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Yet another thread about av being under powered. So one man should stop a tank? It's called get a corp or a squad and hunt down the tank. Get a suicide jeep, get a rail tank. Your little swarm launcher won't kill a well fitted tank.
VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
414
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:22:00 -
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Make the slowed regen not apply if the vehicle has its hardeners up, and you have a deal. |
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:31:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Yet another thread about av being under powered. So one man should stop a tank? It's called get a corp or a squad and hunt down the tank. Get a suicide jeep, get a rail tank. Your little swarm launcher won't kill a well fitted tank.
And I have to do all that while the tanker can just murder the entire team alone while being half asleep?
rgr
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=132319
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:39:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:lol, people all the time hate on snipers. most of it is directed at Redline snipers with the mantra or "low risk, high reward." why is there not equal hate for tanks? Bring risk vs isk vs reward into an equal balance and maybe the "small victory would be almost acceptable .
cause I fart in right direction can kill any sniper. any suit can kill a sniper. same as everything in the game can kill any AV. simple fps dynamics, in a fps game.
Tanks can only kill tanks? Av is just a deterrent? In what bloody fps game has that?
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
415
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:47:00 -
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Remember back when one person with proto swarms could chase off a tank in one magazine? That was OP. It should taek 2-3 people to down a tank in one mag.
However, the pendulum has swung too far back in the other direction, mainly because tanks are so easy to spam because of how cheap they are. So why don't we
1. Limit the amount of HAVs that can spawn.
2. Only allow one hardener to be fitted, or have horrible stacking penalties to fit more than one.
3. Slow HAV spped significantly, but butt their health somewhat, to emphasize their ability to stand and deliver, but not to escape.
4. Breach RE that does 3500 damage in a 0.5m radius , and buff proxies to 2500 damage with reduced activation timers. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:49:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Remember back when one person with proto swarms could chase off a tank in one magazine? That was OP. It should taek 2-3 people to down a tank in one mag.
However, the pendulum has swung too far back in the other direction, mainly because tanks are so easy to spam because of how cheap they are. So why don't we
1. Limit the amount of HAVs that can spawn.
2. Only allow one hardener to be fitted, or have horrible stacking penalties to fit more than one.
3. Slow HAV spped significantly, but butt their health somewhat, to emphasize their ability to stand and deliver, but not to escape.
4. Breach RE that does 3500 damage in a 0.5m radius , and buff proxies to 2500 damage with reduced activation timers.
CCP hire alena. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
653
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:50:00 -
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death needs to have a lasting effect for it to matter! |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
420
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:54:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Remember back when one person with proto swarms could chase off a tank in one magazine? That was OP. It should taek 2-3 people to down a tank in one mag.
However, the pendulum has swung too far back in the other direction, mainly because tanks are so easy to spam because of how cheap they are. So why don't we
1. Limit the amount of HAVs that can spawn.
2. Only allow one hardener to be fitted, or have horrible stacking penalties to fit more than one.
3. Slow HAV spped significantly, but butt their health somewhat, to emphasize their ability to stand and deliver, but not to escape.
4. Breach RE that does 3500 damage in a 0.5m radius , and buff proxies to 2500 damage with reduced activation timers. CCP hire alena.
Oh, stop it, you! |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5172
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:55:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Remember back when one person with proto swarms could chase off a tank in one magazine? That was OP. It should taek 2-3 people to down a tank in one mag.
However, the pendulum has swung too far back in the other direction, mainly because tanks are so easy to spam because of how cheap they are. So why don't we
1. Limit the amount of HAVs that can spawn.
2. Only allow one hardener to be fitted, or have horrible stacking penalties to fit more than one.
3. Slow HAV spped significantly, but butt their health somewhat, to emphasize their ability to stand and deliver, but not to escape.
4. Breach RE that does 3500 damage in a 0.5m radius , and buff proxies to 2500 damage with reduced activation timers.
Well, CHASING OFF is not that bad, considering it used to take far longer to fire all three swarms.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
420
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:06:00 -
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My idea is that a tank needs to be able to stand and deliver, but it should take awhile for it to get where it needs to stand. IMO, a scout with kincats and sprinting should outrun any tank, save for if it fits speed modules.
Limiting hardeners either by a raw number limit of one or horrendous stacking penalties if two are fit would emphasize that window of opportunity where tanks can take any and all AV comers. But when that window closes, he should be vulnerable to counter attack by any surviving AV players, who now have a relatively easy target for them to brutalize. So it is in the tankers best interest to coordinate with infantry to kill the enemy before his hardeners enter cooldown.
Breach RE and buffed proxies mean infantry have more tools to kill HAVs, and it doesn't upset the balance of AV vs dropships or LAVs (who, I believe, should be able to outrun the timer on a proxy. The counter to them? swarms, which have increased missile speed to deal with them.)
An HAV should be a large threat in whatever area it is in. But they should only be such a large threat when A. their hardeners are up and B. when they cannot get from one part of the map to another in seconds. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:21:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:death needs to have a lasting effect for it to matter!
For Infantry it does have a lasting effect.
It's called ISK.
Tanks on the other hand...
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
653
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:death needs to have a lasting effect for it to matter! For Infantry it does have a lasting effect. It's called ISK. Tanks on the other hand...
hush you, you dont even put AV nades on you suit
alkso where can i get me some free tanks too! |
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