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Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 139	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:40:00 - [1] - Quote If you have Scout and Dampening at level 3 your profile is 35.55 dB if you use a scout suit (base is 45 dB). So, if you add a basic dampener and increase the Dampening skill to level 4, is your profile then 27.9 dB? (15+8+15 = 38 > 45*0.62 = 27.9)
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2278	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:20:00 - [2] - Quote That's what I get on my spreadsheet. I have no way of confirming it through the client though so my official answer is... maybe. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 466	Posted - 2013.12.29 06:54:00 - [3] - Quote Skills are multiplied first, then mods. So its base x skills x mods. They are not added together. Two skill/suit bonuses completely messes this up and makes it complicated. This only happens in case of dampeners as far as I know, which coincidentally is a stat we don't see. I believe the system works like this: Lvl 4 Dampening (8% reduction) which multiplies first so scout base decibel of 45x0.92=41.4. Then multiply Basic Scout skill Lvl 3 (15% reduction) so 41.4x0.85=35.19. Doesn't matter which skill you multiply first, they come out the same way. Now we add in mods...15% reduction for 1 basic dampener. So we take 35.19x0.85=29.9115. So no, you will not escape proto scanners. Short version: 450.920.850.85=29.9115. EVERYTHING IS A FACTOR, NOTHING IS ADDED. Now I know this goes against your notion that lvl 3 damp and scout is 35.55 (my math comes out 45x0.94x0.85=35.995) but they both get you below ADV scanners so you'd never know which is right. Why I think it is skills multiplied not added: When I run lvl 4 damp and lvl 3 scout with an enhanced dampener skills added looks like this 45(1-0.08-0.15)0.8=27.72 but skills multiplied looks like this 450.920.850.8=28.152. Now proto scanners scan at 28 db. I get scanned by these (I can tell it's not focused scanner by length of time) where if skills added I wouldn't. So I came to the conclusion that everything is multiplied. I know this is a long post and apologies for that. The game doesn't display this info and it's hard to test requiring a basic scanner, ADV scanner, vehicle scanner, proto scanner, and all the variable skill combos. I have done no extensive testing so my analogous "proof" could be wrong.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 161	Posted - 2013.12.29 13:16:00 - [4] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Why I think it is skills multiplied not added: When I run lvl 4 damp and lvl 3 scout with an enhanced dampener mod, skills added looks like this 45(1-0.08-0.15)0.8=27.72 but skills multiplied looks like this 450.920.85*0.8=28.152. Now proto scanners scan at 28 db. I get scanned by these (I can tell it's not focused scanner by length of time) where if skills added I wouldn't. So I came to the conclusion that everything is multiplied. I know this is a long post and apologies for that. The game doesn't display this info and it's hard to test requiring a basic scanner, ADV scanner, vehicle scanner, proto scanner, and all the variable skill combos. I have done no extensive testing so my analogous "proof" could be wrong. Good post, thanks for the info. Was just about to skill dampening up to 4 to go with my level 3 scout to get below proto. Now I may hold off for a little while until this is clarified.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2280	Posted - 2013.12.29 14:32:00 - [5] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Why I think it is skills multiplied not added: When I run lvl 4 damp and lvl 3 scout with an enhanced dampener mod, skills added looks like this 45(1-0.08-0.15)0.8=27.72 but skills multiplied looks like this 450.920.85*0.8=28.152. Now proto scanners scan at 28 db. I get scanned by these (I can tell it's not focused scanner by length of time) where if skills added I wouldn't. So I came to the conclusion that everything is multiplied. I know this is a long post and apologies for that. The game doesn't display this info and it's hard to test requiring a basic scanner, ADV scanner, vehicle scanner, proto scanner, and all the variable skill combos. I have done no extensive testing so my analogous "proof" could be wrong. Good post, thanks for the info. Was just about to skill dampening up to 4 to go with my level 3 scout to get below proto. Now I may hold off for a little while until this is clarified. I've been asking for clarification since Uprising came out. The new EP knows that not displaying this information is a failure on their part but he didn't say when it was going to be implemented. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 599	Posted - 2013.12.29 15:29:00 - [6] - Quote Solution: Get you're own scanner and beat the cp out of that logi who scanned you with the scanner you bought. Assassination is my thing.**
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 412	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:04:00 - [7] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Why I think it is skills multiplied not added: When I run lvl 4 damp and lvl 3 scout with an enhanced dampener mod, skills added looks like this 45(1-0.08-0.15)0.8=27.72 but skills multiplied looks like this 450.920.85*0.8=28.152. Now proto scanners scan at 28 db. I get scanned by these (I can tell it's not focused scanner by length of time) where if skills added I wouldn't. So I came to the conclusion that everything is multiplied. I know this is a long post and apologies for that. The game doesn't display this info and it's hard to test requiring a basic scanner, ADV scanner, vehicle scanner, proto scanner, and all the variable skill combos. I have done no extensive testing so my analogous "proof" could be wrong. Good post, thanks for the info. Was just about to skill dampening up to 4 to go with my level 3 scout to get below proto. Now I may hold off for a little while until this is clarified. I have level 5 Profile Dampening so if need be I'm willing to test out scan profiles and whatnot.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 258	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: If you have Scout and Dampening at level 3 your profile is 35.55 dB if you use a scout suit (base is 45 dB). So, if you add a basic dampener and increase the Dampening skill to level 4, is your profile then 27.9 dB? (15+8+15 = 38 > 45*0.62 = 27.9) I'm pretty sure your numbers are off, I don't know how you arrive at 35.55 with just profile dampening at level 3. it would be 42 actual 42.3 A 2% reduction per level is calculated first. so 45 at L1 will be 44 actual 44.1 L2 43 actual 43.2 L3 42 actual 42.3 L4 41 actual 41.4 L5 40 actual 40.5 I guess at 40 rather than 41 as I do not know which way the rounding goes in dust. As to your main question, L4 and a basic dampener (15%) from memory as I'm not in dust. your profile will be.. 41 reduced from 45 because of L4 skill then a further 15% from the module making your profile 41-15%=35 actual 34.85 If your aim is to go below 28 as it appears then you need level 3 skill and 2 enhanced dampeners as follows 45-6%(skill) = 42 enhanced mod is 20% (if memory serves correctly) First module only ! ! ! 42-20% = 34 actual 33.84 IF you use another profile dampener it will only be 87% effective ( Stacking penalty applies ) the second enhanced module is therefore only 17.4% effectively NOT 20% 33.84 - 17.4% = 27.95 Now you need to speak to a scout to learn if this actually beats the proto 28bd scanner. I cannot answer that as I'm no scout. you displayed profile (if it was displayed) would be 28 so I have no idea on the scanner. To be safe I would go L4 making your actual profile 27.35 more likely to beat the 28 db scanners :) Close enough I feel. . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 33 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 140	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:38:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe I should have been more clear, I meant if you have both Dampening and the Scout Dropsuit skill (5% reduction per level) at level 3 your profile would be (or so I thought) 35.55 dB. I've seen this number pop up here and there so I figured it was the right one. Now, as a someone who is not particularly literate with numbers, the formula for calculating your profile would be this: Base scout profile 45 dB (or any suit) - Scout Dropsuit level - Dampening skill - Dampener Module = Actual profile Right? If so, my current setup of Scout level 3 (-15%), Dampening level 3 (-6%) and a Basic Dampener (-15%)would be: 450.850,940,85=30.56175 Well below the 36 dB needed to avoid Advanced Scanners. To reach 28 dB in the cheapest possible (both in SP and ISK) I would have to raise Dampening to Level 5 and use an Enhanced Dampener. The Scout suit skill can remain at level 3. Edit: If I only want to dedicate one low slot to Dampeners. 450.850.900.80=27,54 Is this right or am I missing something? I don't really remember how to write equations and whatnot but please bear with me.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 609	Posted - 2013.12.29 23:47:00 - [10] - Quote I'm pretty sure that profile gets rounded to the nearest whole number, so 27.54 won't be enough to dodge the proto scanner. You may have to upgrade to a complex dampener on your fit. When I tested it with my scout alt, I had to get Scout 5/Dampening 3/one basic dampener to avoid 28dB scans. I thought Dampening 2 would work (putting me at 27.54dB) but was mistaken, leading me to believe what I said about rounding the numbers. Getting dampening to 5 is a good move anyway as it'll help you out on medium suits, and you will always need a slot to dodge proto scans on the scout, even if scout is at 5. You should be able to dodge advanced scans with dampening at 5 and scout at 3 without additional modules.

Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 258	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:48:00 - [11] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: Base scout profile 45 dB (or any suit) - Scout Dropsuit level - Dampening skill - Dampener Module = Actual profile Right? If so, my current setup of Scout level 3 (-15%), Dampening level 3 (-6%) and a Basic Dampener (-15%)would be: 450.850,940,85=30.56175 Well below the 36 dB needed to avoid Advanced Scanners. To reach 28 dB in the cheapest possible (both in SP and ISK) I would have to raise Dampening to Level 5 and use an Enhanced Dampener. The Scout suit skill can remain at level 3. Edit: If I only want to dedicate one low slot to Dampeners. 450.850.900.80=27,54 Is this right or am I missing something? I don't really remember how to write equations and whatnot but please bear with me. Essentially correct , only thing missing is rounding your numbers. your answers are correct but u must have a whole number so 27.54 is 28 and as mentioned in the post above, this isn't enough to avoid proto scanners. Just replace the enhanced profile dampener with a complex and your profile will be 26 , easily enough to avoid those pesky scanners :) Thanks to the Wasteland Junk post on the scanner level confirmation. ! . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 33 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`


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