Frankly as much as I'm against solo AV-ing a tank, I'd like to see vehicles having capacitors, just module cool down isn't enough. This would bring some balance on the endless repping tanks, so you couldn't get a tank cap stable without sacrificing something, be it firepower or HP. Also it would make them more in line with the rest of the universe

Frankly as much as I'm against solo AV-ing a tank, I'd like to see vehicles having capacitors, just module cool down isn't enough. This would bring some balance on the endless repping tanks, so you couldn't get a tank cap stable without sacrificing something, be it firepower or HP. Also it would make them more in line with the rest of the universe

Honestly they are just too fast. And too cheap. But don't overdue it. Raise the price some not a bunch. Slow them down some don't make them total snails. The range nerf to swarms combined with the speed boost to tanks made them ****.

Find the balance. Stop these massive nerfs/buffs

+1, OP.

Nerf to HAV speed, and possibly acceleration, and to the nitrous' effectiveness.

Remove active hardener stacking. Remove active damage mod stacking (to compensate for the removal of hardener stacking).

Watch infantry QQ subside.

Does that mean infantry also remove the 3 dmg mods they also run on suits?

Does that mean infantry also remove the 3 dmg mods they also run on suits?

Sure you can. Right after you:

Buff every niche weapon in the game by giving them 20-30% extra damage, make my dropsuit invulnerable to all but 6 weapons in the entire game, give my dropsuit the ability to use nitrous to GTFO faster than even a scout could ever possible hope to achieve, buff my base HP to 4000HP, and give me a weapon that can shred vehicles without having to compromise anything.

Until then, it's not happening.

Thought it would only be a matter of time before you showed up Atiim. If you could provide a decent argument instead of using extreme hyperbole for once that'd be great. Comparing tanks to dropsuits in the way you do, especially over one module in this case, does nothing but paint you as self entitled and ignorant.

Sure you can. Right after you:

Buff every niche weapon in the game by giving them 20-30% extra damage, make my dropsuit invulnerable to all but 6 weapons in the entire game, give my dropsuit the ability to use nitrous to GTFO faster than even a scout could ever possible hope to achieve, buff my base HP to 4000HP, and give me a weapon that can shred vehicles without having to compromise anything.

Until then, it's not happening.

Thought it would only be a matter of time before you showed up Atiim. If you could provide a decent argument instead of using extreme hyperbole for once that'd be great. Comparing tanks to dropsuits in the way you do, especially over one module in this case, does nothing but paint you as self entitled and ignorant.

The minute the majority of tanks on the filed cost less than the majority of my suits, I'll call his argument invalid.

My tank pre 1.7 cost 1.7+mil but AV always said it doesnt matter how much it costs

So now it doesnt matter how much tanks/AV cost because the argument is already invalid

If its not invalid like AV players are trying to say then my 500k tank should be as good as the entire enemy team, frankly pre 1.7 my 1.7mil tank should have been stronger than both teams put together but it wasnt

I'm doing exactly what they were doing. Comparing dropsuits modules to vehicle modules. I would say I'm surprised that you didn't call them out for doing so, but I already know that tunnelvision is mighty in tankers.

If you want to balance an infantry module because of changes to vehicle modules, then you have to do so accordingly to all of the aspects of said module that would become broken because of the "eye for an eye" logic tankers like Tankahiro like to use on a regular basis. That's what I said and I fail to see the problem with such.

As for using extreme hyperbole over decent arguments, not one single argument I (and many others) have ever made in regards to V/AV have ever been dis-proven with actual logic. If you want to be attempt to be the first than go on ahead.

I'm waiting.

I still believe that it doesn't, and I stick to what I said pre 1.7.

However, there is a problem with things costing to less in terms of balance, as that would cause things to be spammed in rapid succession, similar to vehicles now.

Lets take this for example. ISK may not be a factor, but what if Particle Cannons only cost 5k ISK? Would you agree that 5k would be way too cheap for a PRO Railgun Turret?

ISK is not a balancing factor to an extent. Which is exactly what I've been saying pre 1.7 and I still say it now.

Yet you still try and balance around ISK when it suits you

151k for my Proto FG fit, maybe it could go over 200k so i request my proto turret and mods with a basic hull also cost less than 200k, it will only cost upto 200k when i get a proto hull

My tank pre 1.7 cost 1.7+mil but AV always said it doesnt matter how much it costs

So now it doesnt matter how much tanks/AV cost because the argument is already invalid

If its not invalid like AV players are trying to say then my 500k tank should be as good as the entire enemy team, frankly pre 1.7 my 1.7mil tank should have been stronger than both teams put together but it wasnt

Sure you can. Right after you:

Buff every niche weapon in the game by giving them 20-30% extra damage, make my dropsuit invulnerable to all but 6 weapons in the entire game, give my dropsuit the ability to use nitrous to GTFO faster than even a scout could ever possible hope to achieve, buff my base HP to 4000HP, and give me a weapon that can shred vehicles without having to compromise anything.

Until then, it's not happening.

I never said it didn't matter how much it cost, The high cost of Tanks was WHY I thought it was worth it to stop what I was doing and hunt them. I normally will run a sub 40k suit in a public match vs infantry, but not think twice about switching to a 140k + suit to hunt a tank because the reward of removing 500+k from your inventory is worth the risk. And your 1.7 mil tank did not go down easy pre 1.7. If it did, you were a garbage tanker.

+1

You summed up everything perfectly. I must (reluctantly) agree that stacking hardeners breaks the balance intended by CCP...

Would do it all. If you let my tanks cap points.

Stop with your apples to oranges crap Atiim.

Apparently I've played with you in FW but you didn't place top 5 so I never noticed.

Git gud.

I'm doing exactly what they were doing. Comparing dropsuits modules to vehicle modules. I would say I'm surprised that you didn't call them out for doing so, but I already know that tunnelvision is mighty in tankers.

If you want to balance an infantry module because of changes to vehicle modules, then you have to do so accordingly to all of the aspects of said module that would become broken because of the "eye for an eye" logic tankers like Tankahiro like to use on a regular basis. That's what I said and I fail to see the problem with such.

Oh noes, he told me to get gud. Whatever shall I do?