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calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1307
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:30:00 -
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I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red. WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK?
TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2590
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:33:00 -
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Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
\o/
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ladwar
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
1933
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:35:00 -
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bro i make 400k isk max these days with much higher WP. run advanced gear and save proto for important matches. proto isn't meant for everyone to run around in all the time. or go buy aur and use it.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
not looking for a corp, don't ask.
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calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1307
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:38:00 -
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ladwar wrote:bro i make 400k isk max these days with much higher WP. run advanced gear and save proto for important matches. proto isn't meant for everyone to run around in all the time. or go buy aur and use it.
I am running advance and I do run proto on the occasion for I have bought the suits before I noticed the shortage in ISK. Before this my average was 270K ISK a game. Something is wrong since 1.7, since they implemented FW market this S*** has been messed up.
TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
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ladwar
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
1933
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:42:00 -
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my ground game is still isk positive and i run advanced gear only and don't fear losing suits either.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
not looking for a corp, don't ask.
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
1692
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
So about those vehicle locks...
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Auris Lionesse
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
18
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:03:00 -
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While I certainly don't need the money as I'm doing fine in my cheap suits I have noticed that the payouts arent what they used to be. I assume because most are running militia gear. I rarely see advanced to kill, so either proto which is usually neo or worthless militia. I guess that's why I'm only making around 200-250 per win regardless of kills. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1385
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:40:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade
Maybe this is CCP's way of fighting proto stompers! By making us all too poor to proto stomp!!!
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1385
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore.
I placed third in Castor Craves tournament and got payed 50 Million isk for it :)
Marston VC, STB Director
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AK Cyberdemon
Red Star. EoN.
7
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:00:00 -
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It depends, if you get 1st place and win, you get a lot more isk. I played a match got 300,000 isk with 2000 WP. You don't need to run an advance suit, just run a cheap suit or a blueprint if you have one. I do just fine in pub matches or FW, I go around 24 and 6 average.
My suit only costs me 14,000 isk and make a profit no matter what. You could buy a militia gallente medium suit and stack armor plates and it only costs around 6,000 isk. Even though I have over 2,000 proto suits, I never use them except for PC. I don't like to stomp new players and discourage them from playing the game. And plus I don't like to waste them when I do just as good in militia gear.
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
32
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:14:00 -
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Should there be two seperate payment systems? Warpoints and Killppints?
Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
Every day is a holiday.
Every meal is a feast.
I am hungry. Let's go eat!
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
214
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:15:00 -
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I run mostly advanced modules on a basic level bpo suit and average around 200k-230 k a match. Had a 380k match the other day that surprised the hell out of me though. I think its based on the percentage of your contribution compared to the rest of your teammates or something like that...
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
497
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:40:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:While I certainly don't need the money as I'm doing fine in my cheap suits I have noticed that the payouts arent what they used to be. I assume because most are running militia gear. I rarely see advanced to kill, so either proto which is usually neo or worthless militia. I guess that's why I'm only making around 200-250 per win regardless of kills. This is most likely the cause as I have noticed this too. Op I really wish you had approached this more maturely, it would have sparked some good discussion without people groaning over your whining. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
968
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Posted - 2013.12.26 08:32:00 -
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The payout is dependent on not just your WP and position, but how much the opposite side loses in ISK terms.
Besides I have a really nice STD 7k ISK suit with complex shield extenders, perhaps you just lack... BPOs? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
7094
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Posted - 2013.12.26 09:35:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore. I placed third in Castor Craves tournament and got payed 50 Million isk for it :)
I got 100 mil an in addition to PC work I can look at the people in this thread and laugh.
ALL PROTO EVERY DAY
Level 6 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
1637
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Posted - 2013.12.26 09:51:00 -
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I would also like more ISK from matches.
Amarr!
Try EVE Online
Buying Deamon Shotgun
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
233
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:17:00 -
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I barely play PC and i have 700m >:3
Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11427
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:25:00 -
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Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1438
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
which is an absolute crap system. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
415
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
What is the baseline ISK? How does time play into that? How does it figure payout for what is killed? Is it an average of both teams ie everything is thrown into a pot and is averaged across everyone or is each team different? What about WPs, do they have an effect? What about position on leaderboard?
There's an awful lot of variables going into this would be great to truly understand it.
This would make a great devblog. |
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
915
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field. which is an absolute crap system.
Which is a great system. Those working against better equipped opponents are doing a harder job, and probably having more losses themselves.
going 30-1 vs entire MLT/STD team might not be as valuable as going 20-5 vs full PRO team. If that reflects into the payouts even slightestt then it's good.
Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance?
The fix:
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
147
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:42:00 -
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200+ Miljon isk About 2000 fully fitted proto suits
And I am a one man corp U need to play smart.
Then again sometimes you get pissed and go al in any way sence some *** is thinking he is OP in his proto gear
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
875
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:44:00 -
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Solution- Convince everyone in the game to spec into Nova Knives and Matari scouts. Then convince everyone to run one complex damage mod and one Adv Nova Knife with either a pistol or SMG of their choice @ basic or Adv level on a basic Matari scout with whatever lows or equipment they want. Then everyone's suits will only cost 11-15 grand and no one will loose money!
Or.... YOU could do it and save money...
I get what you're saying, and it does seem they reduced the rewards payout. I adapted by doing the above. I decided to not care about my K/D anymore after it fell below 3.5, so it's all about fun now. Before, swarms and subs were fun. Now pistols, NK's, shotties and flaylocks are fun. Once K/D wasn't a factor anymore, running fun stuff instead of good stuff typically tended to save me money.
Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard!
Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field. which is an absolute crap system. To be fair ... he's absolutely right. We're ment to be mercenaries ... "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain."
Here's how I'm going to motivate you IWS ...
I want you to build me a house ... you build it, you source the materials and labour ... and I'll tell you how much I'm paying for it AFTER you've done it !! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1438
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:08:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Which is a great system. Those working against better equipped opponents are doing a harder job, and probably having more losses themselves.
going 30-1 vs entire MLT/STD team might not be as valuable as going 20-5 vs full PRO team. If that reflects into the payouts even slightestt then it's good.
No, there should be flat payouts for win/loss and per kill/hack/stolen vehicle/stolen virginity.
this random **** based on a bunch of people who want to get more for less use.
When you sign a contract you agree on a rate of pay that isn't based on "whatever we feel like based on how hard we think it was for you"
contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:32:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows ! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1440
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:39:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows !
only under the current system. Because if you kill forty kidnappers then clearly it doesn't matter if the kid died. You had to do more damage to retrieve his corpse! |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows ! only under the current system. Because if you kill forty kidnappers then clearly it doesn't matter if the kid died. You had to do more damage to retrieve his corpse! But because those forty kidnappers were all wearing expensive Spec Ops gear and carrying really expensive guns, I don't care that YOU shot my only son (ie. you lost the battle by KDR padding and not hacking objectives) ... I'm going to pay you double what I would have paid if they were wearing sash cloths and carrying spud guns and I still had my son and heir ! |
Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
2290
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:17:00 -
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I mostly run ADV weapons on a PRO suit as defeault choice (about 100.000 ISK per suit), but I don't have problems making ISK in Publics.
I do run out of money easily when I play Caldari FW
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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CrotchGrab 360
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:58:00 -
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Just tank.
Until you come up against a better tank, then AFK.
Seriously, I spawn in a 1,000 ISK suit and make more money tanking than I would on the ground.
Go around the edge of the map at the beginning and destroy all the installations. Destroy an LAV, maybe another tank and some infantry in proto suits.
Then recall your tank or drive it around the edge of the map for the rest of the game.
Or use a MLT forge gun fitting and try it on infantry, gauranteed you'll make lots of ISK.
I now have 30 tanks and 200+ ADV dropsuits all through just driving tanks and using the 1K ISK FG fit.
It might not be fun but you'll probably have to do it if you want to bump up your bank balance. |
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1041
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:13:00 -
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Its pretty easy to get first place every match. Kills are the least rewarding. Get some gear that helps your team. I got a tools logi that makes tons of WP every minute. Just get first place every match and you won't have to worry about isk
There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2738
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Posted - 2013.12.26 13:34:00 -
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The amount of Isk in a match has dropped drastically now that you can call in a 70k tank and have it last all match.
No.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1386
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Posted - 2013.12.26 14:54:00 -
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AK Cyberdemon wrote:It depends, if you get 1st place and win, you get a lot more isk. I played a match got 300,000 isk with 2000 WP. You don't need to run an advance suit, just run a cheap suit or a blueprint if you have one. I do just fine in pub matches or FW, I go around 24 and 6 average.
My suit only costs me 14,000 isk and make a profit no matter what. You could buy a militia gallente medium suit and stack armor plates and it only costs around 6,000 isk. Even though I have over 2,000 proto suits, I never use them except for PC. I don't like to stomp new players and discourage them from playing the game. And plus I don't like to waste them when I do just as good in militia gear.
Testing between me and a few others suggests that your Isk earnings depends almost entirely on WP gained with a "bottom out" value. So for example, all the value of any gear that was destroyed in the game gets added up. Devided by two (for two teams) Then depending on how much WP a player has he'll get either more or less of the isk at the end of it. But because theres a bottom out limit even people who just AFK the whole match will get some sort of isk (not as much as those who did play, but enough to at least justify them doing it, this is an effort to reward newbie players for at least trying).
Marston VC, STB Director
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Mortedeamor
1135
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Posted - 2013.12.26 14:57:00 -
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really? i thought they buffed it cause since 1.7 i havnt made under 300k per pub
why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1416
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Posted - 2013.12.26 14:58:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:
Testing between me and a few others suggests that your Isk earnings depends almost entirely on WP gained with a "bottom out" value. So for example, all the value of any gear that was destroyed in the game gets added up. Devided by two (for two teams) Then depending on how much WP a player has he'll get either more or less of the isk at the end of it. But because theres a bottom out limit even people who just AFK the whole match will get some sort of isk (not as much as those who did play, but enough to at least justify them doing it, this is an effort to reward newbie players for at least trying).
I am pretty sure the percentage of your teams total WP that you earned makes a large difference as well.
If you earned 2000 WP and got 1st on the board, but the other top 9 players got between 1000 and 2000 WP in the match, your payout won't be as high as if you earned 2000 WP, but no other player on your team earned more than 1000.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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m twiggz
Pradox One Proficiency V.
191
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:09:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade I'm not sure what they did to the ISK payouts but I have also noticed them to be marginally lower than usual for the same scores I was registering before 1.7. I would average 2000-4000 WP a game (mostly DOM matches) with 20+ kills and 5 or less deaths, receiving a payout of 300-500k ISK a match. Now for the same scores I'll receive between 200-400k ISK per match. Don't believe I have broke a 500k ISK payout other than once since 1.7 dropped (which both teams were running full proto which means higher ISK payout). With those payouts I can only lose 2 proto suits a match or 5-7 ADV suits to make a very small profit.
If I remember correctly ISK payouts are based on WP and the meta level of the gear players wear that die. Perhaps with so many people using LP items the ISK payouts are much lower now. That's just speculation on my behalf though. |
Elmo Love U
514 Mile High Club
507
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:25:00 -
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LMAO @ u noobs. I pull 6-900k a match. You DON'T get paid for hacks,destroying instalations or killing FREE suits. You keep what u kill. A percentage of it. Wanna get paid? Kill heavies.
Show me the money!
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pseudosnipre
416
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:30:00 -
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Slaying is it's own reward, but unless you're supporting the team (presumably by WP whoring) you don't deserve any isk.
Now be a good medium frame and go spam equipment somewhere.
Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
488
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Posted - 2013.12.26 15:39:00 -
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You forget guys that there are those of us that could afford to run proto every match for the next year or more. (That's not to say that I do or will mind you) That's me and I am poor compared to a lot of the even older mercs. or the mercs with isk printing machines in PC.
I know many people in the hundreds of millions of isk range. I also hear that some of the PC farmers have billions of isk so yea go figure.... |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1387
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Marston VC wrote:Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore. I placed third in Castor Craves tournament and got payed 50 Million isk for it :) I got 100 mil an in addition to PC work I can look at the people in this thread and laugh. ALL PROTO EVERY DAY
I earned 100 Mill in Castor Craves first event along with the Templar BPO's, along with 50M from this last event. Along with PC work. (Though I gave back the 100M because I thought Castor giving out over 700M in winnings was a bit excessive) Makes my wallet feel pretty full too
Marston VC, STB Director
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1419
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:21:00 -
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Elmo Love U wrote:LMAO @ u noobs. I pull 6-900k a match. You DON'T get paid for hacks,destroying instalations or killing FREE suits. You keep what u kill. A percentage of it. Wanna get paid? Kill heavies. Pics or it never happened!
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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ZiwZih
Seraphim Initiative..
313
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:29:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Which is a great system. Those working against better equipped opponents are doing a harder job, and probably having more losses themselves.
going 30-1 vs entire MLT/STD team might not be as valuable as going 20-5 vs full PRO team. If that reflects into the payouts even slightestt then it's good.
No, there should be flat payouts for win/loss and per kill/hack/stolen vehicle/stolen virginity. this random **** based on a bunch of people who want to get more for less use. When you sign a contract you agree on a rate of pay that isn't based on "whatever we feel like based on how hard we think it was for you" contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up.
It is a great system for pubs. Proto players get more kills but also their deaths give more to the poor.
If you want flat fee based on reputation and results, make a name, set a price and go ring for ISK -- no one stops you.
ZEN 514
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
2405
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:31:00 -
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I use basic suits......I have adv, I have full proto suits. I choose to run basic gear. Basic commando fitting? 11k isk. Raven assault C-1 fitting? 12k isk. Templar logi fitting? 12k isk.
With these fits, I don't have to worry about going negative as that will require me to die about 15 times. (Usually after the 5 death I choose my starter fits and just go for the cheap kills)
I run these, die 2-3 times a match, get around 14 kills. Make around 185k isk/match.
I profit.
Proud member of the Commndo 6
<3 Commando AK.0
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2439
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:33:00 -
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ladwar wrote:my ground game is still isk positive and i run advanced gear only and don't fear losing suits either.
Then you are dying under 5 times a game and even then you aren't making as much (profit) as the guy who hid in the redline.
Let's just stop bullshitting and all agree that payouts are jacked up
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2439
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:39:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Elmo Love U wrote:LMAO @ u noobs. I pull 6-900k a match. You DON'T get paid for hacks,destroying instalations or killing FREE suits. You keep what u kill. A percentage of it. Wanna get paid? Kill heavies. Pics or it never happened!
Yeah this is bullshit.
One of our guys made 990K in a dom the other night, he had almost 6K WP.
But this is very far from the norm. This wasn't a match where there were a ton of proto suits or expensive tanks were killed either.
I'm convinced that it's random. Some matches I'll make 500K and only 30 or 40 clones were killed on the enemy side. Other times there are multi proto users with them getting clones and only 300K.
There's nobody making 600-900K a match.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
208
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Posted - 2013.12.26 16:59:00 -
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Payout is mainly determined by:
a) Your SP (1000 mark, 2000 mark, 3000 mark etc give big boosts), b) ISK destroyed, c) Your ranking (1st gets a decent boost in payout)
Everyone is running cheap junk since the TTK is completely broken so we are not making the ISK we used to. Also the base ISK payout for doing nothing is way to high and should be given out to those getting WP.
Please fix the mic bubble bug...
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
208
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Posted - 2013.12.26 17:00:00 -
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One other point. Payout in Skirmish is completely broken. So if you're playing Skirmish you will make a lot less then other game modes.
Please fix the mic bubble bug...
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CrotchGrab 360
1162
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Posted - 2013.12.26 17:48:00 -
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I think you're all still forgetting that my e-peen will CRUSH yours since I made over 3 million ISK in a pub match
Let's stop willy-waving boys, before I slam my slong down on the table and scare you all away. |
MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
701
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:47:00 -
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I too have noticed a more than marginal decrease in ISK payouts, which is stupid. CCP has been lowering payout amounts since codex now, and now with the LP they probably want you to play that so they decrease isk payouts. It's a double edge sword and it's cutting them from both sides because they both have laughably low payout amounts. It's all a push for you to buy aurum.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1423
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:05:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:I think you're all still forgetting that my e-peen will CRUSH yours since I made over 3 million ISK in a pub match Let's stop willy-waving boys, before I slam my slong down on the table and scare you all away. *FAIL*
Its spelled schlong
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1423
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:07:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:I too have noticed a more than marginal decrease in ISK payouts, which is stupid. CCP has been lowering payout amounts since codex now, and now with the LP they probably want you to play that so they decrease isk payouts. It's a double edge sword and it's cutting them from both sides because they both have laughably low payout amounts. It's all a push for you to buy aurum. DING DING DING we have a winner!
No ISK + No BPO = No Gear = AUR Purchases for Expendable AUR Gear.
"The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies."
- The Toad Sage
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Namirial Kensai
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.12.26 20:49:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade advanced and proto suits are for victory assurance, NOT isk generation.
you want a higher chance of winning/stomping? do so at the cost of isk. low on isk and need to make some? then use a lower grade fit that costs less, sure youll have a harder time, but youll make more money.
Proto-stomping should not be encouraged or profitable, everything has a strength and drawback, drawback to higher grade suits, is a cost to reflect performance. if winning with these suits allowed you to afford equal replacement fits, then in 6 months it would be inexcusable for someone to NOT have a full-proto fit every match all day every day.
TL;DR: You choose to use a stronger suit to secure victory, the price of that is a higher cost, proto should only be used when victory is more important than isk expended, so FW and PC. Proto should NEVER be self-sustaining income. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
723
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Posted - 2013.12.26 21:38:00 -
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Hahah, everybody's going broke. Factional warfare doesn't pay. Pub matches don't pay enough to sustain adv and proto gear. And people desparataly want the advantages of the better gear.
Out of my 30 possible slots in my dropsuit fittings screen, 19 of my fittings are either mlt or std BPOs. I have 6 proto fittings and five adv fittings.
My enjoyment from this game now comes from running the cheapest possible gear I can while still being able to kill the most expensive gear I can find on the field.
This is my most used fitting:
Dren assault BPO
Comp light damage mod Mlt shield extender
SL-4 ARR Dren scrambler pistol Locus grenade
Compact nano
Comp shield regulator Basic armor plate
I usually do pretty good in this fitting (around 15 or 20 kills to 1 to 4 deaths, when I'm not on an incompetent team) and it only costs 28k ISK.
I lone wolf a lot (a lot of ambush, it pays out more/quicker) and if I get put on an incompetent team, which happens often, I switch to this fitting:
Staff recruit militia frame BPO
2x militia light damage mod BPO
Exile AR BPO Dren scrambler pistol BPO Militia locus grenade BPO
Militia nanohive BPO
Militia armor plates BPO
It costs 0 ISK. I have 300m ISK and rising. I only splurge on adv and proto gear when I want to have a little fun. Or I'm running with my corp mates.
So, is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well I seem to be enjoying myself, even though I do have the desire to be able to run more expensive gear more often. But I am making a profit, and I do enjoy going up against far supirior gear the majority of the time and still come out on top, it's a good challenge. And I do enjoy imagining people loosing boatloads of ISK to me because they are addicted to the need to run high tier gear all the time.
I guess it's not for everyone but I'm having fun.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1451
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Posted - 2013.12.26 22:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
Really? What a dumb ass system |
DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
70
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:29:00 -
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im pulling in 3-4k a match in a standard scout
imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
527
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:40:00 -
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Cheap and BPO fits seems to be the way to go, at least when lone wolfing, unless you have decent skills but need the ADV/Proto fit to give you the edge to take down down groups or other protos.
I'm rubbish at FPS so proto in pubs would only double my performance at best. Strangely I prefer the Isk over the stats at the moment. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
392
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Posted - 2013.12.26 23:56:00 -
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ISk payout are pretty strange snyone whose played both speficly assualt and specifically logi t can see,you can go 17/3 and get paid 223kisk or as a logi rep 3k-5k worth of armor and get the same,Hell you can blow up a tank and get paid nothing
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
420
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Posted - 2013.12.27 00:28:00 -
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I agree with Thor. 0 WP should equal 0 ISK. End of story.
That 170K ISK should have been given to people who actually did something that game.
0/15 with 125 WP? K you get 40K ISK 2/10 with 500 WP? Sure have 120K 25/5 with 2500 WP? 300+K.
I don't see why you guys are comparing it to what you get as a failed attempt at bragging. The point of this thread was to point out that the payout system is broken and has been since uprising.
The various variables like ISK destroyed/WP/Kills/etc, more so ISK destroyed has really ruined the payout system due to how certain suits are priced.
Proto logi 200K STD medium frame 10K
So I get 20 times more ISK to kill someone who, is hardly harder to kill (Stat wise) than the standard suit? That sounds right, totally CCP. Just like your BS SP system and your BS LP payouts.
Edit: My biggest problems with ISK payout is that currently it seems like my hard work supplements noobs who can hardly get a single kill all match.
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
877
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Posted - 2013.12.27 02:18:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:MassiveNine wrote:I too have noticed a more than marginal decrease in ISK payouts, which is stupid. CCP has been lowering payout amounts since codex now, and now with the LP they probably want you to play that so they decrease isk payouts. It's a double edge sword and it's cutting them from both sides because they both have laughably low payout amounts. It's all a push for you to buy aurum. DING DING DING we have a winner! No ISK + No BPO = No Gear = AUR Purchases for Expendable AUR Gear. Or...... it could be... I don't know... a push to convince people to ISK grind in low level gear and save good gear for PC and FW? Just thinking the obvious out loud here.
Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard!
Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
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calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1318
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Posted - 2013.12.27 04:52:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade I'm not sure what they did to the ISK payouts but I have also noticed them to be marginally lower than usual for the same scores I was registering before 1.7. I would average 2000-4000 WP a game (mostly DOM matches) with 20+ kills and 5 or less deaths, receiving a payout of 300-500k ISK a match. Now for the same scores I'll receive between 200-400k ISK per match. Don't believe I have broke a 500k ISK payout other than once since 1.7 dropped (which both teams were running full proto which means higher ISK payout). With those payouts I can only lose 2 proto suits a match or 5-7 ADV suits to make a very small profit. If I remember correctly ISK payouts are based on WP and the meta level of the gear players wear that die. Perhaps with so many people using LP items the ISK payouts are much lower now. That's just speculation on my behalf though.
What you said is the best answer I have read so far. I did not factor in LP and this could be the cause.
TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
5079
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Posted - 2013.12.27 05:21:00 -
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Logis have the advantage here.
The rep tool alone can get them 6k WP from a single match (Arkena can testify).
That means they will almost always be on top of the scoreboard, meaning that they get paid the most.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2455
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Posted - 2013.12.27 05:44:00 -
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calvin b wrote:m twiggz wrote:calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade I'm not sure what they did to the ISK payouts but I have also noticed them to be marginally lower than usual for the same scores I was registering before 1.7. I would average 2000-4000 WP a game (mostly DOM matches) with 20+ kills and 5 or less deaths, receiving a payout of 300-500k ISK a match. Now for the same scores I'll receive between 200-400k ISK per match. Don't believe I have broke a 500k ISK payout other than once since 1.7 dropped (which both teams were running full proto which means higher ISK payout). With those payouts I can only lose 2 proto suits a match or 5-7 ADV suits to make a very small profit. If I remember correctly ISK payouts are based on WP and the meta level of the gear players wear that die. Perhaps with so many people using LP items the ISK payouts are much lower now. That's just speculation on my behalf though. What you said is the best answer I have read so far. I did not factor in LP and this could be the cause. Edit: After reading some of your post I would like to say TY Thor for your reply, it was a good one. Second some of you have comprehension issues, where in my post did I mention proto, I didn't. Also the post was about the ISK payout being broke and it is.
I've started 4 or 5 threads coming from various angles on this issue and every time it's filled with responses about proto stomping and "don't run it if you can't afford it" bullshit. Same for the LP/standings being too low issue.
There is only one place where being good is properly rewarded (PC) and I believe the earning potential between the vast majority of players and the few are able to earn on a regular basis in PC is far too great.
There's no way that people would do what these mercs do for the scraps they are given by CCP.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
2455
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Posted - 2013.12.27 05:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Logis have the advantage here.
The rep tool alone can get them 6k WP from a single match (Arkena can testify).
That means they will almost always be on top of the scoreboard, meaning that they get paid the most.
There's truth to this, but they are also spending more on their suits and equipment. The guys putting up the big WP numbers aren't slayer logis, they are support logis so they are usually dying more as well.
Remember all those extra slots you complain about all the time are filled with expensive modules and equipment.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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