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calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1307
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:30:00 -
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I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red. WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK?
TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2590
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:33:00 -
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Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore.
We finally deployed in the MinFW Match!
\o/
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ladwar
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
1933
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:35:00 -
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bro i make 400k isk max these days with much higher WP. run advanced gear and save proto for important matches. proto isn't meant for everyone to run around in all the time. or go buy aur and use it.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
not looking for a corp, don't ask.
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calvin b
SCAVENGER'S DAUGHTER
1307
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:38:00 -
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ladwar wrote:bro i make 400k isk max these days with much higher WP. run advanced gear and save proto for important matches. proto isn't meant for everyone to run around in all the time. or go buy aur and use it.
I am running advance and I do run proto on the occasion for I have bought the suits before I noticed the shortage in ISK. Before this my average was 270K ISK a game. Something is wrong since 1.7, since they implemented FW market this S*** has been messed up.
TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
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ladwar
Death by Disassociation Zero-Day
1933
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:42:00 -
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my ground game is still isk positive and i run advanced gear only and don't fear losing suits either.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
not looking for a corp, don't ask.
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
1692
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Posted - 2013.12.26 05:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
So about those vehicle locks...
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Auris Lionesse
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
18
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:03:00 -
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While I certainly don't need the money as I'm doing fine in my cheap suits I have noticed that the payouts arent what they used to be. I assume because most are running militia gear. I rarely see advanced to kill, so either proto which is usually neo or worthless militia. I guess that's why I'm only making around 200-250 per win regardless of kills. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1385
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:40:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have played match after match and I am being shorted big time. I am barely breaking 200K ISK a game. Last game I played I went 22-8 with 1335 WP and came in second place my earnings 183,594 ISK. I was killing, I was hacking, counter hacking and I still get S*** for ISK. Match before I destroyed 3 tanks, went 12-2, with 1465WP and I got just over 165K in ISK. I cant keep running my advance suits at this rate. If I die more than 4 times I am in the red . WTF does CCP want us to do, run militia and BPO's. This is F***** awful, and a f***** disgrace. How does CCP expect people to enjoy this pile of excrement if you cannot resupply yourself off the earnings you make. The only way to make up for this is to AFK or run crap gear. My cheapest advance suit cost 47,235 ISK, that is nothing special. So dusties who else is coming up short on ISK? Edit: To prove my point I sat in the red line and did nothing but set up road blocks for vehicles. I destroyed one LAV with RE's and was orbitaled once. My end score was 2-1 290WP. My total of ISK made 170,257 and I did not do S***. Sorry to the team I was on for I was no help and still made almost the same amount of ISK as I did in the previous battle. Sad I work my A** off to help my team win and I get S*** in return, do nothing and I get rewarded. CCP reminds me of public school, they do not care if you do well, just as long as you show up you got a passing grade
Maybe this is CCP's way of fighting proto stompers! By making us all too poor to proto stomp!!!
Marston VC, STB Director
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1385
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Posted - 2013.12.26 06:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore.
I placed third in Castor Craves tournament and got payed 50 Million isk for it :)
Marston VC, STB Director
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AK Cyberdemon
Red Star. EoN.
7
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:00:00 -
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It depends, if you get 1st place and win, you get a lot more isk. I played a match got 300,000 isk with 2000 WP. You don't need to run an advance suit, just run a cheap suit or a blueprint if you have one. I do just fine in pub matches or FW, I go around 24 and 6 average.
My suit only costs me 14,000 isk and make a profit no matter what. You could buy a militia gallente medium suit and stack armor plates and it only costs around 6,000 isk. Even though I have over 2,000 proto suits, I never use them except for PC. I don't like to stomp new players and discourage them from playing the game. And plus I don't like to waste them when I do just as good in militia gear.
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fragmentedhackslash
FREE AGENTS LP
32
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:14:00 -
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Should there be two seperate payment systems? Warpoints and Killppints?
Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
Every day is a holiday.
Every meal is a feast.
I am hungry. Let's go eat!
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Ivy Zalinto
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
214
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:15:00 -
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I run mostly advanced modules on a basic level bpo suit and average around 200k-230 k a match. Had a 380k match the other day that surprised the hell out of me though. I think its based on the percentage of your contribution compared to the rest of your teammates or something like that...
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Scout instructor; Learning Coalition
Scrambler Pistol dedication
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
497
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Posted - 2013.12.26 07:40:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:While I certainly don't need the money as I'm doing fine in my cheap suits I have noticed that the payouts arent what they used to be. I assume because most are running militia gear. I rarely see advanced to kill, so either proto which is usually neo or worthless militia. I guess that's why I'm only making around 200-250 per win regardless of kills. This is most likely the cause as I have noticed this too. Op I really wish you had approached this more maturely, it would have sparked some good discussion without people groaning over your whining. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
968
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Posted - 2013.12.26 08:32:00 -
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The payout is dependent on not just your WP and position, but how much the opposite side loses in ISK terms.
Besides I have a really nice STD 7k ISK suit with complex shield extenders, perhaps you just lack... BPOs? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
7094
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Posted - 2013.12.26 09:35:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Atiim wrote:Well I am almost completely broke now.
Between AVing and fighting for the Caldari, I have no money to spend loosely anymore. I placed third in Castor Craves tournament and got payed 50 Million isk for it :)
I got 100 mil an in addition to PC work I can look at the people in this thread and laugh.
ALL PROTO EVERY DAY
Level 6 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
1637
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Posted - 2013.12.26 09:51:00 -
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I would also like more ISK from matches.
Amarr!
Try EVE Online
Buying Deamon Shotgun
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
233
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:17:00 -
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I barely play PC and i have 700m >:3
Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11427
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:25:00 -
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Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1438
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
which is an absolute crap system. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
415
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field.
What is the baseline ISK? How does time play into that? How does it figure payout for what is killed? Is it an average of both teams ie everything is thrown into a pot and is averaged across everyone or is each team different? What about WPs, do they have an effect? What about position on leaderboard?
There's an awful lot of variables going into this would be great to truly understand it.
This would make a great devblog. |
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
915
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field. which is an absolute crap system.
Which is a great system. Those working against better equipped opponents are doing a harder job, and probably having more losses themselves.
going 30-1 vs entire MLT/STD team might not be as valuable as going 20-5 vs full PRO team. If that reflects into the payouts even slightestt then it's good.
Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance?
The fix:
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
147
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:42:00 -
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200+ Miljon isk About 2000 fully fitted proto suits
And I am a one man corp U need to play smart.
Then again sometimes you get pissed and go al in any way sence some *** is thinking he is OP in his proto gear
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
875
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:44:00 -
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Solution- Convince everyone in the game to spec into Nova Knives and Matari scouts. Then convince everyone to run one complex damage mod and one Adv Nova Knife with either a pistol or SMG of their choice @ basic or Adv level on a basic Matari scout with whatever lows or equipment they want. Then everyone's suits will only cost 11-15 grand and no one will loose money!
Or.... YOU could do it and save money...
I get what you're saying, and it does seem they reduced the rewards payout. I adapted by doing the above. I decided to not care about my K/D anymore after it fell below 3.5, so it's all about fun now. Before, swarms and subs were fun. Now pistols, NK's, shotties and flaylocks are fun. Once K/D wasn't a factor anymore, running fun stuff instead of good stuff typically tended to save me money.
Ulthane: Now get off of my property, 'fore more pigeons come looking an' crap on me yard!
Overlord's: Ulath Bosse Zero
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 10:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Pay is based on what is killed on the field. which is an absolute crap system. To be fair ... he's absolutely right. We're ment to be mercenaries ... "motivated to take part in the hostilities by the desire for private gain."
Here's how I'm going to motivate you IWS ...
I want you to build me a house ... you build it, you source the materials and labour ... and I'll tell you how much I'm paying for it AFTER you've done it !! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1438
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:08:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Which is a great system. Those working against better equipped opponents are doing a harder job, and probably having more losses themselves.
going 30-1 vs entire MLT/STD team might not be as valuable as going 20-5 vs full PRO team. If that reflects into the payouts even slightestt then it's good.
No, there should be flat payouts for win/loss and per kill/hack/stolen vehicle/stolen virginity.
this random **** based on a bunch of people who want to get more for less use.
When you sign a contract you agree on a rate of pay that isn't based on "whatever we feel like based on how hard we think it was for you"
contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:32:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows ! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1440
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Posted - 2013.12.26 11:39:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows !
only under the current system. Because if you kill forty kidnappers then clearly it doesn't matter if the kid died. You had to do more damage to retrieve his corpse! |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
630
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Needless Sacermendor wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:contracts tend to pay out based on reputation and results. if you rescue a billionaire's kid and get a million ISK reward, he doesn't get to short you because you happened to only have to kill two kidnappers instead of forty. You got the goddamned kid back. pay up. Yeah, but don't worry, if the kid dies you'll still get paid the same ... maybe even more, who knows ! only under the current system. Because if you kill forty kidnappers then clearly it doesn't matter if the kid died. You had to do more damage to retrieve his corpse! But because those forty kidnappers were all wearing expensive Spec Ops gear and carrying really expensive guns, I don't care that YOU shot my only son (ie. you lost the battle by KDR padding and not hacking objectives) ... I'm going to pay you double what I would have paid if they were wearing sash cloths and carrying spud guns and I still had my son and heir ! |
Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
2290
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:17:00 -
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I mostly run ADV weapons on a PRO suit as defeault choice (about 100.000 ISK per suit), but I don't have problems making ISK in Publics.
I do run out of money easily when I play Caldari FW
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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CrotchGrab 360
1157
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:58:00 -
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Just tank.
Until you come up against a better tank, then AFK.
Seriously, I spawn in a 1,000 ISK suit and make more money tanking than I would on the ground.
Go around the edge of the map at the beginning and destroy all the installations. Destroy an LAV, maybe another tank and some infantry in proto suits.
Then recall your tank or drive it around the edge of the map for the rest of the game.
Or use a MLT forge gun fitting and try it on infantry, gauranteed you'll make lots of ISK.
I now have 30 tanks and 200+ ADV dropsuits all through just driving tanks and using the 1K ISK FG fit.
It might not be fun but you'll probably have to do it if you want to bump up your bank balance. |
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